1864 book about climate change and environmental destruction

[Sunsettommy]

You destroy the vegetation in a large area, you change the climate in that area. We saw that in the Mid-East and in southern Europe. He did not need to specify climate as one of the things affected by the actions of man, it is self evident.

It is obvious that you never read the book or the review of that book.

You are grasping for straws.

 

[Crick]

Marsh's mention of temperatures, drought and loss of vegetation are all a discussion of climate.

 

[skookerasbil]

Marsh's mention of temperatures, drought and loss of vegetation are all a discussion of climate.

C'mon now....there is zero historical evidence of a link between drought and climate change. Go look at any historical map that dates back to the late 19th century. End of discussion.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Marsh's mention of temperatures, drought and loss of vegetation are all a discussion of climate.

From post 10 you keep ignoring since it is a REVIEW of the book which NEVER states anything about climate:

"The book challenges the myth of the inexhaustibility of the earth and the belief that human impact on the environment is negligible by drawing similarities to the ancient civilization of the Mediterranean.[5] Marsh argued that ancient Mediterranean civilizations collapsed through environmental degradation. Deforestation led to eroded soils that led to decreased soil productivity. Additionally, the same trends could be found occurring in the United States. The book was one of the most influential books of its time, next to Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species, inspiring conservation and reform in the USA since it forebode what happened to an ancient civilisation when it depleted and exhausted its natural resources.[6] The book was instrumental in the creation of Adirondack Park in New York and the United States National Forest. Gifford Pinchot, first Chief of the United States Forest Service, called it "epoch making" and Stewart Udall wrote that it was "the beginning of land wisdom in this country."

It is as I said before it about the stewardship of the planet, the use of the land and the need to conserve it. He never talked about the climate itself , he was referring to the damage of the land where it can magnify drought, erosion and so on. But never about the climate itself since that was NOT the object of his research.

His book helped spawn a new drive for conservation that continues to this day.

You keep getting it backwards...................................

 

[Crick]

Probably better to look at the book than at a review. The book discusses temperature, drought and vegetation loss. Whether or not he ever uses the term, those are climatological issues.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Probably better to look at the book than at a review. The book discusses temperature, drought and vegetation loss. Whether or not he ever uses the term, those are climatological issues.

I have several times showed that the book is about the stewardship of the land, nothing to do with climate at all. Showed examples of what the Author focuses on.

You have NOT once showed specific examples that he talks about climate.

Once again this you keep ignoring:

"The book challenges the myth of the inexhaustibility of the earth and the belief that human impact on the environment is negligible by drawing similarities to the ancient civilization of the Mediterranean.[5] Marsh argued that ancient Mediterranean civilizations collapsed through environmental degradation. Deforestation led to eroded soils that led to decreased soil productivity. Additionally, the same trends could be found occurring in the United States. The book was one of the most influential books of its time, next to Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species, inspiring conservation and reform in the USA since it forebode what happened to an ancient civilisation when it depleted and exhausted its natural resources.[6] The book was instrumental in the creation of Adirondack Park in New York and the United States National Forest. Gifford Pinchot, first Chief of the United States Forest Service, called it "epoch making" and Stewart Udall wrote that it was "the beginning of land wisdom in this country."

Not a whiff about climate.

Talks about Human Impact on the Environment
Talks about environmental degradation
Talks Deforestation
Talks about erosion
Talks about depleting or exhausting natural resources

Not a whiff about climate.

Go read the link that gushed over the book, not a thing about climate from the author of book is found in it. He mentions weather occasionally yes BECAUSE of severe land use changes, that he argues causes temperature spikes. The degradation of the land was his overarching theme, was warning that such damage caused downfall of civilizations in the past.

 

[Votto]

George Perkins Marsh was a U.S. ambassador, and therefore well-traveled, and was able to see the way civilization impacted the environment in places like Rome, the Middle East, Egypt, etc., although he also noticed how the environment was being changed in Vermont during his own lifetime.

He was also a congressman and his book appeared in 1864.

The below article also talks a bit about other Americans that have written about the environment in the 18th and 19th centuries.

The Congressman Who Warned Us About Climate Change in 1864

I was thinking of Thoreau as well, which the article doesn't mention, although I don't think Thoreau ever held public office.

Lies!

The climate never changes........ever

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Probably better to look at the book than at a review. The book discusses temperature, drought and vegetation loss. Whether or not he ever uses the term, those are climatological issues.

I have several times showed that the book is about the stewardship of the land, nothing to do with climate at all. Showed examples of what the Author focuses on.

You have NOT once showed specific examples that he talks about climate.

Once again this you keep ignoring:

"The book challenges the myth of the inexhaustibility of the earth and the belief that human impact on the environment is negligible by drawing similarities to the ancient civilization of the Mediterranean.[5] Marsh argued that ancient Mediterranean civilizations collapsed through environmental degradation. Deforestation led to eroded soils that led to decreased soil productivity. Additionally, the same trends could be found occurring in the United States. The book was one of the most influential books of its time, next to Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species, inspiring conservation and reform in the USA since it forebode what happened to an ancient civilisation when it depleted and exhausted its natural resources.[6] The book was instrumental in the creation of Adirondack Park in New York and the United States National Forest. Gifford Pinchot, first Chief of the United States Forest Service, called it "epoch making" and Stewart Udall wrote that it was "the beginning of land wisdom in this country."

Not a whiff about climate.

Talks about Human Impact on the Environment
Talks about environmental degradation
Talks Deforestation
Talks about erosion
Talks about depleting or exhausting natural resources

Not a whiff about climate.

Go read the link that gushed over the book, not a thing about climate from the author of book is found in it. He mentions weather occasionally yes BECAUSE of severe land use changes, that he argues causes temperature spikes. The degradation of the land was his overarching theme, was warning that such damage caused downfall of civilizations in the past.

No mention of the evils of CO2?

 

[Sunsettommy]

Probably better to look at the book than at a review. The book discusses temperature, drought and vegetation loss. Whether or not he ever uses the term, those are climatological issues.

I have several times showed that the book is about the stewardship of the land, nothing to do with climate at all. Showed examples of what the Author focuses on.

You have NOT once showed specific examples that he talks about climate.

Once again this you keep ignoring:

"The book challenges the myth of the inexhaustibility of the earth and the belief that human impact on the environment is negligible by drawing similarities to the ancient civilization of the Mediterranean.[5] Marsh argued that ancient Mediterranean civilizations collapsed through environmental degradation. Deforestation led to eroded soils that led to decreased soil productivity. Additionally, the same trends could be found occurring in the United States. The book was one of the most influential books of its time, next to Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species, inspiring conservation and reform in the USA since it forebode what happened to an ancient civilisation when it depleted and exhausted its natural resources.[6] The book was instrumental in the creation of Adirondack Park in New York and the United States National Forest. Gifford Pinchot, first Chief of the United States Forest Service, called it "epoch making" and Stewart Udall wrote that it was "the beginning of land wisdom in this country."

Not a whiff about climate.

Talks about Human Impact on the Environment
Talks about environmental degradation
Talks Deforestation
Talks about erosion
Talks about depleting or exhausting natural resources

Not a whiff about climate.

Go read the link that gushed over the book, not a thing about climate from the author of book is found in it. He mentions weather occasionally yes BECAUSE of severe land use changes, that he argues causes temperature spikes. The degradation of the land was his overarching theme, was warning that such damage caused downfall of civilizations in the past.

No mention of the evils of CO2?

Not a lick.

What a bad man!

 

[Sunsettommy]

Probably better to look at the book than at a review. The book discusses temperature, drought and vegetation loss. Whether or not he ever uses the term, those are climatological issues.

By the way I have the book, which is why I know that Land use is his dominant theme.

 

[xband]

George Perkins Marsh was a U.S. ambassador, and therefore well-traveled, and was able to see the way civilization impacted the environment in places like Rome, the Middle East, Egypt, etc., although he also noticed how the environment was being changed in Vermont during his own lifetime.

He was also a congressman and his book appeared in 1864.

The below article also talks a bit about other Americans that have written about the environment in the 18th and 19th centuries.

The Congressman Who Warned Us About Climate Change in 1864

I was thinking of Thoreau as well, which the article doesn't mention, although I don't think Thoreau ever held public office.

I have been thinking about The Road Less Taken. Robert Frost took the high road because it is less traveled.