17 yo boy shot by police because he wasn't resisting arrest.

[Uncensored2008]

Can you in your worst nightmare imagine being married to this *****?
She LOVES getting into 'circular' arguments that never ******* end.
******* mental case.
Imagine what a joy she would be in person.

Out of curiosity, do you use meth?

You have no self-control and cannot discuss without becoming an emotional little *****. Is it that you are so jacked up on crank that you can't control yourself?

 

[ChrisL]

If they can't then they should get more funding. Lives are worth it.

With fleet sales, the car is probably about $25K. That's a couple month retirement costs for our fat and pampered government workers. Cost of the cars is not a factor in deciding how many cops are in a patrol car.

Well, TBH, I have no idea of the costs of such things that the police department has to spend. I just think that it is definitely worth it. Four eyes and four hands are always going to better than just two, IMO. I guess that makes some people VERY upset for some reason.

 

[sealybobo]

What gets me is ChrisL believes she proposed a solution to stop events like the one in the OP. But she obviously doesn't know what a solution is.

A solution is the solving of a problem and she readily admits it will not be 100 percent effective so therefore it is not a solution because it solves nothing. Events such as th eone illustrated in the OP will continue to happen.

My answer is there is no solution when dealing with irrational people.

The officer was doing his job, whether you agree with the law or not is irrelevant, he had a job to do. He was attacked, he had literally a split second to react, He relied on his years of service and training to protect himself. Unfortunately it resulted in the death of the young man. Want to blame someone? Blame the young man that attacked the cop.

This weekend on George Stephanopolis they did a story on some inner city kids who were befriended by the cops and shown what it is like when you pull someone over. All the kids had a new found respect and understanding of how scary it is to pull someone over, and then have that person start fighting you or resisting arrest. Put your hands behind your head, get on the ground, do whatever the cops tell you to do.

If you are a little 5 foot woman cop, you should be able to arrest any 6 foot monster size man no problem. If not, get shot.

That's a good point. Should women officers be patrolling alone?

A woman cop, by herself, should be able to cuff and arrest a big man. No one should EVER put their hands on an officer or run. If a 300 lbs man runs from a woman cop, what is she to do? Imagine you are in that position. I'd shoot the ******. If you run or resist, you might get shot. That's the one thing all these people who were killed by cops have in common. They didn't know how to be arrested.

Don't even walk towards an officer aggressively. Do you talk to a judge aggressively or disrespectfully? No? Then why would a cop be any different?

What I would do is completely irrelevant. What is your point here?

I just replied to your comment "That's a good point. Should women officers be patrolling alone?"

My point is that a small woman cop should be able to arrest a 300 pound man. The man's size shouldn't make him feel like he is above the law. Do what the officer says. PERIOD. I'm not arguing with you. I'm just making a comment.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Money wasted on lawsuits that may never even occur?

You're assuming that unless you have two officers in a car you will be sued and you won't be sued if there is at least two officers.

It's an assumption that is based purely on an opinion.

No. Lol. That is not what I'm assuming at all. I'm saying that having two officers per car would increase safety and therefore, in some instances, there would be no need for them to shoot a suspect. Two fully grown men could easily physically restrain a suspect, rather than just one.

You said it would also save money wasted on lawsuits, in several posts.

Yes, if there were less "police brutality" cases, then money would be saved, most definitely. Court costs are very expensive. We pay for those too, you know?

IF?

Lets see some evidence that supports your claim.

Show us how having more than one cop in a patrol car reduces police brutality claims thereby reducing lawsuits.

All you do is talk. Start supporting your claims with actual evidence.

Well, for one thing, there would be two officers to restrain a suspect instead of just one. Instead of having to beat, tase or shoot a suspect, it would be much easier for them to restrain someone without having to resort to those things.

Look, in some scenarios you would be right, but what you are failing to understand is the need for officers to resort to force to gain compliance is not as great a need as you want to believe. Most police interactions are positive, peaceful and doesn't warrant the presence of two cops or use of force. So on the off chance that two police officers would be needed we are going to forgo patrols in other areas leaving them unprotected and having longer to wait for a response when an officer is needed. It doesn't make practical sense.

 

[daws101]

do you have a point?

The OC is general is a little more upscale. We contract with the sheriffs, and they are always two man patrols.

Bullshit I grew up in the OC
The upscale is a facade there is as much domestic violence there as there is in LA and just as many gangs .
False they don't always it's more like one in 3 vehicles has two officers.

 

[ChrisL]

Actually, I have not ignored them at all. I think I've addressed all of your concerns. Now, what is your solution?

there isn't one because you have never stated what the problem is you're trying to solve. What is the problem statement?

Shootings of police and citizens of course. I think I did state that. Lol. Having 2 officers per car would more than likely cut back on those incidents. The police would have backup immediately available instead of having to wait. An extra pair of hands and eyes as well. Couldn't hurt, that's for sure.

based on what for the hundredth time, where's your study to make that statement? dude you're just a knee slappin fool.

I think maybe you need a nappy or something.

You need to have a ******* shower *****.
You are drop dead ******* nuts.
You need to change the pony *****!

Lol.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Again false you two are a match made in regressiveville aka the gop it's the last refuge for nut jobs and the ignorant

I don't know duhs, looks like you and he are butt buddies, swapping spit and cooing over the dream of Cosacks roaming the streets demanding "papers please."

dannyboys is a Stalinist thug, just like you!

 

[Lonestar_logic]

and you've ignored every reply. So as stated by more than just me, they are unrealistic. Now, what else is there?

Actually, I have not ignored them at all. I think I've addressed all of your concerns. Now, what is your solution?

there isn't one because you have never stated what the problem is you're trying to solve. What is the problem statement?

Shootings of police and citizens of course. I think I did state that. Lol. Having 2 officers per car would more than likely cut back on those incidents. The police would have backup immediately available instead of having to wait. An extra pair of hands and eyes as well. Couldn't hurt, that's for sure.

Most likely? But not certain. In other words, just a guess.

Lets raise taxes and put two cops in every car 'cause it might help.

I'm sure it would help. How wouldn't it? Why does it make you so angry?

What makes you so sure? You have nothing but opinion to go on. We are all just supposed to go with your opinion and agree to pay higher taxes? Don't flatter yourself, you could never make me angry.

 

[daws101]

Free and civil society. Think about that.

Free. Meaning no laws or very few laws.
Civil. Meaning everyone is polite and respectful and life occurs peacefully and smoothly with little conflict.

Free and civil depends on humans to naturally be civil. To naturally choose to be nice and fair and peaceful and considerate of each other.

Which as we know....is NOT human nature.


You can have free.
You can have civil.

It's hard to have a lot of both.

Bucs, you would have loved 12th Century Romania. Feudal lords had gangs of thugs who beat and killed anyone who failed to drop to their knees.

We used to be a civilized nation. Now we return to the dark ages.

That was all of Europe and even here till the end of the 19th century.
Falsifying history much.?

 

[ChrisL]

No. Lol. That is not what I'm assuming at all. I'm saying that having two officers per car would increase safety and therefore, in some instances, there would be no need for them to shoot a suspect. Two fully grown men could easily physically restrain a suspect, rather than just one.

You said it would also save money wasted on lawsuits, in several posts.

Yes, if there were less "police brutality" cases, then money would be saved, most definitely. Court costs are very expensive. We pay for those too, you know?

IF?

Lets see some evidence that supports your claim.

Show us how having more than one cop in a patrol car reduces police brutality claims thereby reducing lawsuits.

All you do is talk. Start supporting your claims with actual evidence.

Well, for one thing, there would be two officers to restrain a suspect instead of just one. Instead of having to beat, tase or shoot a suspect, it would be much easier for them to restrain someone without having to resort to those things.

Look, in some scenarios you would be right, but what you are failing to understand is the need for officers to resort to force to gain compliance is not as great a need as you want to believe. Most police interactions are positive, peaceful and doesn't warrant the presence of two cops or use of force. So on the off chance that two police officers would be needed we are going to forgo patrols in other areas leaving them unprotected and having longer to wait for a response when an officer is needed. It doesn't make practical sense.

Well, not if we invested more money into the police departments to provide them with whatever it is they need to be safer. If it's not needed, like it wouldn't be in MY particular area (I live in a very low crime area), then whatever, but if they are patrolling gang neighborhoods and stuff like that, then perhaps it is needed.

 

[ChrisL]

Actually, I have not ignored them at all. I think I've addressed all of your concerns. Now, what is your solution?

there isn't one because you have never stated what the problem is you're trying to solve. What is the problem statement?

Shootings of police and citizens of course. I think I did state that. Lol. Having 2 officers per car would more than likely cut back on those incidents. The police would have backup immediately available instead of having to wait. An extra pair of hands and eyes as well. Couldn't hurt, that's for sure.

Most likely? But not certain. In other words, just a guess.

Lets raise taxes and put two cops in every car 'cause it might help.

I'm sure it would help. How wouldn't it? Why does it make you so angry?

What makes you so sure? You have nothing but opinion to go on. We are all just supposed to go with your opinion and agree to pay higher taxes? Don't flatter yourself, you could never make me angry.

When isn't four eyes and four hands better than two eyes and two hands. If you were a cop, would you rather be alone or have a partner? I would rather have a partner to back me up if need be.

 

[daws101]

Again false you two are a match made in regressiveville aka the gop it's the last refuge for nut jobs and the ignorant

I don't know duhs, looks like you and he are butt buddies, swapping spit and cooing over the dream of Cosacks roaming the streets demanding "papers please."

dannyboys is a Stalinist thug, just like you!

Only when you're mastubating!

 

[ChrisL]

Again false you two are a match made in regressiveville aka the gop it's the last refuge for nut jobs and the ignorant

I don't know duhs, looks like you and he are butt buddies, swapping spit and cooing over the dream of Cosacks roaming the streets demanding "papers please."

dannyboys is a Stalinist thug, just like you!

Only when you're mastubating!

Who cares about that stuff!! This is an important discussion!

 

[ChrisL]

What gets me is ChrisL believes she proposed a solution to stop events like the one in the OP. But she obviously doesn't know what a solution is.

A solution is the solving of a problem and she readily admits it will not be 100 percent effective so therefore it is not a solution because it solves nothing. Events such as th eone illustrated in the OP will continue to happen.

My answer is there is no solution when dealing with irrational people.

The officer was doing his job, whether you agree with the law or not is irrelevant, he had a job to do. He was attacked, he had literally a split second to react, He relied on his years of service and training to protect himself. Unfortunately it resulted in the death of the young man. Want to blame someone? Blame the young man that attacked the cop.

This weekend on George Stephanopolis they did a story on some inner city kids who were befriended by the cops and shown what it is like when you pull someone over. All the kids had a new found respect and understanding of how scary it is to pull someone over, and then have that person start fighting you or resisting arrest. Put your hands behind your head, get on the ground, do whatever the cops tell you to do.

If you are a little 5 foot woman cop, you should be able to arrest any 6 foot monster size man no problem. If not, get shot.

That's a good point. Should women officers be patrolling alone?

A woman cop, by herself, should be able to cuff and arrest a big man. No one should EVER put their hands on an officer or run. If a 300 lbs man runs from a woman cop, what is she to do? Imagine you are in that position. I'd shoot the ******. If you run or resist, you might get shot. That's the one thing all these people who were killed by cops have in common. They didn't know how to be arrested.

Don't even walk towards an officer aggressively. Do you talk to a judge aggressively or disrespectfully? No? Then why would a cop be any different?

What I would do is completely irrelevant. What is your point here?

I just replied to your comment "That's a good point. Should women officers be patrolling alone?"

My point is that a small woman cop should be able to arrest a 300 pound man. The man's size shouldn't make him feel like he is above the law. Do what the officer says. PERIOD. I'm not arguing with you. I'm just making a comment.

But, people don't cooperate, especially if they actually ARE a criminal. That's the problem.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Money wasted on lawsuits that may never even occur?

You're assuming that unless you have two officers in a car you will be sued and you won't be sued if there is at least two officers.

It's an assumption that is based purely on an opinion.

No. Lol. That is not what I'm assuming at all. I'm saying that having two officers per car would increase safety and therefore, in some instances, there would be no need for them to shoot a suspect. Two fully grown men could easily physically restrain a suspect, rather than just one.

You said it would also save money wasted on lawsuits, in several posts.

Yes, if there were less "police brutality" cases, then money would be saved, most definitely. Court costs are very expensive. We pay for those too, you know?

IF?

Lets see some evidence that supports your claim.

Show us how having more than one cop in a patrol car reduces police brutality claims thereby reducing lawsuits.

All you do is talk. Start supporting your claims with actual evidence.

How wouldn't it help? Two people are better than one.

Still nothing to show huh?


This White Man Was Literally Beating Up Two Police Officers, But What Happens Next Is Astonishing - Atlanta Blackstar

 

[Uncensored2008]

Bullshit I grew up in the OC
The upscale is a facade there is as much domestic violence there as there is in LA and just as many gangs .
False they don't always it's more like one in 3 vehicles has two officers.

There are parts of Santa Ana, Stanton, and other areas that are pretty bad.

In Yorba Linda, the contract with the Sheriffs stipulates 2 officers in the cars. You see duhs, these things are up to each city. While your Stalinist buddy dannyboys dreams of federal troops bashing people with rifle butts for not bowing to a picture of Emperor Barack, but in the real world, police are hired by each city and follow the rules set forth by those cities.

 

[sealybobo]

This weekend on George Stephanopolis they did a story on some inner city kids who were befriended by the cops and shown what it is like when you pull someone over. All the kids had a new found respect and understanding of how scary it is to pull someone over, and then have that person start fighting you or resisting arrest. Put your hands behind your head, get on the ground, do whatever the cops tell you to do.

If you are a little 5 foot woman cop, you should be able to arrest any 6 foot monster size man no problem. If not, get shot.

That's a good point. Should women officers be patrolling alone?

A woman cop, by herself, should be able to cuff and arrest a big man. No one should EVER put their hands on an officer or run. If a 300 lbs man runs from a woman cop, what is she to do? Imagine you are in that position. I'd shoot the ******. If you run or resist, you might get shot. That's the one thing all these people who were killed by cops have in common. They didn't know how to be arrested.

Don't even walk towards an officer aggressively. Do you talk to a judge aggressively or disrespectfully? No? Then why would a cop be any different?

What I would do is completely irrelevant. What is your point here?

I just replied to your comment "That's a good point. Should women officers be patrolling alone?"

My point is that a small woman cop should be able to arrest a 300 pound man. The man's size shouldn't make him feel like he is above the law. Do what the officer says. PERIOD. I'm not arguing with you. I'm just making a comment.

But, people don't cooperate, especially if they actually ARE a criminal. That's the problem.

Then they deserve to get shot. Once I saw the story they ran on This Week with George Stephanopolis, I realized that it is not fair for citizens to get aggressive with cops. We need to retrain the cops yes to be better at defusing situations but we also need to retrain the public.

**** that, "I know my rights" crap. If you do, then tell it to the judge. But if one of our boys in blue says you are under arrest, you better put your hands behind your back. And if you fight after you get a taser in the ass, I say the cop should be able to shoot you dead. I don't think society will miss any of the people who get in trouble and resist arrest. Maybe their deaths will be a lesson to other stupid people.

Here is the piece: Washington DC Police Look for Ways to Connect With City Youth

 

[Lonestar_logic]

there isn't one because you have never stated what the problem is you're trying to solve. What is the problem statement?

Shootings of police and citizens of course. I think I did state that. Lol. Having 2 officers per car would more than likely cut back on those incidents. The police would have backup immediately available instead of having to wait. An extra pair of hands and eyes as well. Couldn't hurt, that's for sure.

Most likely? But not certain. In other words, just a guess.

Lets raise taxes and put two cops in every car 'cause it might help.

I'm sure it would help. How wouldn't it? Why does it make you so angry?

What makes you so sure? You have nothing but opinion to go on. We are all just supposed to go with your opinion and agree to pay higher taxes? Don't flatter yourself, you could never make me angry.

When isn't four eyes and four hands better than two eyes and two hands. If you were a cop, would you rather be alone or have a partner? I would rather have a partner to back me up if need be.

Of course you would because you do not have the courage it takes to be an officer. You would be a terrible officer and you would fold at the first sign of conflict.

I wouldn't be a cop if I thought that I couldn't do my job without someone's help.

Yes and eight eyes are better than four. so what? It will not stop an irrational person from behaving irrationally.

 

[sealybobo]

Shootings of police and citizens of course. I think I did state that. Lol. Having 2 officers per car would more than likely cut back on those incidents. The police would have backup immediately available instead of having to wait. An extra pair of hands and eyes as well. Couldn't hurt, that's for sure.

Most likely? But not certain. In other words, just a guess.

Lets raise taxes and put two cops in every car 'cause it might help.

I'm sure it would help. How wouldn't it? Why does it make you so angry?

What makes you so sure? You have nothing but opinion to go on. We are all just supposed to go with your opinion and agree to pay higher taxes? Don't flatter yourself, you could never make me angry.

When isn't four eyes and four hands better than two eyes and two hands. If you were a cop, would you rather be alone or have a partner? I would rather have a partner to back me up if need be.

Of course you would because you do not have the courage it takes to be an officer. You would be a terrible officer and you would fold at the first sign of conflict.

I wouldn't be a cop if I thought that I couldn't do my job without someone's help.

Yes and eight eyes are better than four. so what? It will not stop an irrational person from behaving irrationally.

Would you call for back up? *****! Then I guess you can't do your job.

You know who should have called for back up?

GRAPHIC: SC cop fatally shoots man as he's running away | Daily Mail Online

 

[daws101]

Again false you two are a match made in regressiveville aka the gop it's the last refuge for nut jobs and the ignorant

I don't know duhs, looks like you and he are butt buddies, swapping spit and cooing over the dream of Cosacks roaming the streets demanding "papers please."

dannyboys is a Stalinist thug, just like you!

Only when you're mastubating!

Who cares about that stuff!! This is an important discussion!

It's no more important than any other discussion on this subject the only difference is the subject of this thread was white .