14% of Economist Say Trump Would Be The Best For The Economy

[Al Azar]

So if over 50% work for the government...it's pretty common sense that those who work FOR the government...are going to believe in MORE government.

Over 50% now? A moment ago it was "upwards of 50%", i.e., as many as 50%.

If their analysis points to more government, that's what they'll come up with.

Economists are professionals who presumably do the best job they can at describing to their employers what they find the situation to be, what options their employer might consider to deal with it, and the possible consequences of those options.

Economists are analysts, not decision makers. They evaluate and, if asked, advise. Their employer wants the best evaluation he can afford so that he can make an informed decision. If the evaluation is "we may need more government", they will express that. If their evaluation is, "This program is a burden to ___ and is hindering expansion in this sector of the economy," then that's what they'll report. Analysts are black-and-white thinkers. They may have political opinions, but they're not, as a group, politically motivated professionals.

If your position is that economists who work for the government favor big government because it makes for more job openings for economists, then you're doing the entire profession a disservice.

My position is that very few people favor policies which cost them their jobs! I base THAT on a lifetime of experience!

I hardly think economists need to worry about their jobs unless they're very bad at it. They're like accountants. My grandfather, a CPA, told me something when I was young and wondering what to do with my life. He simply said, "The last one let go is the accountant." And he was right.

Economists have almost the same job security, IMO, no matter where they work. All major financial firms need them, as well as major firms in almost every sector of the global economy. No CEO can be effective without an in-house economic team explaining what's happening out there.

People in government have great job security. They also don't tend to push for cuts to government. That was my point.

And economists don't push anything. You may have them lumped together with commentators and journalists.

 

[Oldstyle]

I'm always amused when liberals admit to a "slight liberal leaning" in professions like journalism and economics! Be honest, Pinqy...you know that it's more than a slight lean! When I attended the University of Massachusetts back in the 70's by far the most liberal faculty at the school were in the Economics Department. It wasn't a "lean"...it was a downright bias!

Have you considered that the study of economics might bring one around to the wisdom of economic policies favored by people that are to the left of you politically? They may not have started out that way, but grew in that direction the more they learned about the discipline.

I imagine that, at the outset, people who study sociology have interests that we associate with the political left. That stands to reason. I don't see any reason why people who are drawn to studying economic theories as a profession would necessarily start out leaning left. If they end up that way, then it's the result of what they've learned, not a predisposition.

If you attend college and are taught economics by a predominantly liberal faculty then you're probably going to come away from that with liberal mindset. That isn't the "study" of economics...it's more like the "indoctrination" of liberal economic theory! Students are influenced by teachers. It's what teachers DO! Take Kathleen Iannello, an associate professor of political science at Gettysburg College...she has declared that as a liberal she will be using her classroom this Fall not to study politics but to condemn Donald Trump. Keep in mind that as a Professor of Political Science she SHOULD be fascinated by the political firestorm that is this election and it SHOULD be a wonderful teaching moment no matter what your political viewpoint but Professor Iannello obviously feels that her political viewpoint is more important than teaching students about politics so they will be getting an anti-Trump message this fall.
When I was at UMass, one of my economics teachers was a die hard Socialist. If you questioned his views you were subjected to snarky remarks in class and your chances of getting an A were few and far between.

Thanks for the anecdote

Economics professors don't indoctrinate students with "leftist" theories any more than mathematics and biology professors indoctrinate their students with "leftist" theories.

It just irks you that your partisan opinions don't jibe with professional analysis.

I would reflect on that.

I'm always amused when liberals admit to a "slight liberal leaning" in professions like journalism and economics! Be honest, Pinqy...you know that it's more than a slight lean! When I attended the University of Massachusetts back in the 70's by far the most liberal faculty at the school were in the Economics Department. It wasn't a "lean"...it was a downright bias!

Have you considered that the study of economics might bring one around to the wisdom of economic policies favored by people that are to the left of you politically? They may not have started out that way, but grew in that direction the more they learned about the discipline.

I imagine that, at the outset, people who study sociology have interests that we associate with the political left. That stands to reason. I don't see any reason why people who are drawn to studying economic theories as a profession would necessarily start out leaning left. If they end up that way, then it's the result of what they've learned, not a predisposition.

If you attend college and are taught economics by a predominantly liberal faculty then you're probably going to come away from that with liberal mindset. That isn't the "study" of economics...it's more like the "indoctrination" of liberal economic theory! Students are influenced by teachers. It's what teachers DO! Take Kathleen Iannello, an associate professor of political science at Gettysburg College...she has declared that as a liberal she will be using her classroom this Fall not to study politics but to condemn Donald Trump. Keep in mind that as a Professor of Political Science she SHOULD be fascinated by the political firestorm that is this election and it SHOULD be a wonderful teaching moment no matter what your political viewpoint but Professor Iannello obviously feels that her political viewpoint is more important than teaching students about politics so they will be getting an anti-Trump message this fall.
When I was at UMass, one of my economics teachers was a die hard Socialist. If you questioned his views you were subjected to snarky remarks in class and your chances of getting an A were few and far between.

Thanks for the anecdote

Economics professors don't indoctrinate students with "leftist" theories any more than mathematics and biology professors indoctrinate their students with "leftist" theories.

It just irks you that your partisan opinions don't jibe with professional analysis.

I would reflect on that.

All that Professor DID was indoctrinate students with his views that socialism was the only "inherently fair" political system in existence! When he used the word "capitalism" it was always in a negative way.

Math and Biology are proven sciences...you know as well as I do that economists do NOT agree what is "proven"!

 

[Al Azar]

I'm always amused when liberals admit to a "slight liberal leaning" in professions like journalism and economics! Be honest, Pinqy...you know that it's more than a slight lean! When I attended the University of Massachusetts back in the 70's by far the most liberal faculty at the school were in the Economics Department. It wasn't a "lean"...it was a downright bias!

Have you considered that the study of economics might bring one around to the wisdom of economic policies favored by people that are to the left of you politically? They may not have started out that way, but grew in that direction the more they learned about the discipline.

I imagine that, at the outset, people who study sociology have interests that we associate with the political left. That stands to reason. I don't see any reason why people who are drawn to studying economic theories as a profession would necessarily start out leaning left. If they end up that way, then it's the result of what they've learned, not a predisposition.

If you attend college and are taught economics by a predominantly liberal faculty then you're probably going to come away from that with liberal mindset. That isn't the "study" of economics...it's more like the "indoctrination" of liberal economic theory! Students are influenced by teachers. It's what teachers DO! Take Kathleen Iannello, an associate professor of political science at Gettysburg College...she has declared that as a liberal she will be using her classroom this Fall not to study politics but to condemn Donald Trump. Keep in mind that as a Professor of Political Science she SHOULD be fascinated by the political firestorm that is this election and it SHOULD be a wonderful teaching moment no matter what your political viewpoint but Professor Iannello obviously feels that her political viewpoint is more important than teaching students about politics so they will be getting an anti-Trump message this fall.
When I was at UMass, one of my economics teachers was a die hard Socialist. If you questioned his views you were subjected to snarky remarks in class and your chances of getting an A were few and far between.

Thanks for the anecdote

Economics professors don't indoctrinate students with "leftist" theories any more than mathematics and biology professors indoctrinate their students with "leftist" theories.

It just irks you that your partisan opinions don't jibe with professional analysis.

I would reflect on that.

I'm always amused when liberals admit to a "slight liberal leaning" in professions like journalism and economics! Be honest, Pinqy...you know that it's more than a slight lean! When I attended the University of Massachusetts back in the 70's by far the most liberal faculty at the school were in the Economics Department. It wasn't a "lean"...it was a downright bias!

Have you considered that the study of economics might bring one around to the wisdom of economic policies favored by people that are to the left of you politically? They may not have started out that way, but grew in that direction the more they learned about the discipline.

I imagine that, at the outset, people who study sociology have interests that we associate with the political left. That stands to reason. I don't see any reason why people who are drawn to studying economic theories as a profession would necessarily start out leaning left. If they end up that way, then it's the result of what they've learned, not a predisposition.

If you attend college and are taught economics by a predominantly liberal faculty then you're probably going to come away from that with liberal mindset. That isn't the "study" of economics...it's more like the "indoctrination" of liberal economic theory! Students are influenced by teachers. It's what teachers DO! Take Kathleen Iannello, an associate professor of political science at Gettysburg College...she has declared that as a liberal she will be using her classroom this Fall not to study politics but to condemn Donald Trump. Keep in mind that as a Professor of Political Science she SHOULD be fascinated by the political firestorm that is this election and it SHOULD be a wonderful teaching moment no matter what your political viewpoint but Professor Iannello obviously feels that her political viewpoint is more important than teaching students about politics so they will be getting an anti-Trump message this fall.
When I was at UMass, one of my economics teachers was a die hard Socialist. If you questioned his views you were subjected to snarky remarks in class and your chances of getting an A were few and far between.

Thanks for the anecdote

Economics professors don't indoctrinate students with "leftist" theories any more than mathematics and biology professors indoctrinate their students with "leftist" theories.

It just irks you that your partisan opinions don't jibe with professional analysis.

I would reflect on that.

All that Professor DID was indoctrinate students with his views that socialism was the only "inherently fair" political system in existence! When he used the word "capitalism" it was always in a negative way.

Math and Biology are proven sciences...you know as well as I do that economists do NOT agree what is "proven"!

Well then, as long as economics has been around, we might give more weight to "generally accepted practices and principles" than politically-engineered schemes.

Compare our economic recovery to several economies in Europe. We initiated stimulus. They instituted austerity. We've been trending up ever since while they finally got tired of struggling and have only now commenced stimulus programs.

 

[Oldstyle]

I'm always amused when liberals admit to a "slight liberal leaning" in professions like journalism and economics! Be honest, Pinqy...you know that it's more than a slight lean! When I attended the University of Massachusetts back in the 70's by far the most liberal faculty at the school were in the Economics Department. It wasn't a "lean"...it was a downright bias!

Have you considered that the study of economics might bring one around to the wisdom of economic policies favored by people that are to the left of you politically? They may not have started out that way, but grew in that direction the more they learned about the discipline.

I imagine that, at the outset, people who study sociology have interests that we associate with the political left. That stands to reason. I don't see any reason why people who are drawn to studying economic theories as a profession would necessarily start out leaning left. If they end up that way, then it's the result of what they've learned, not a predisposition.

If you attend college and are taught economics by a predominantly liberal faculty then you're probably going to come away from that with liberal mindset. That isn't the "study" of economics...it's more like the "indoctrination" of liberal economic theory! Students are influenced by teachers. It's what teachers DO! Take Kathleen Iannello, an associate professor of political science at Gettysburg College...she has declared that as a liberal she will be using her classroom this Fall not to study politics but to condemn Donald Trump. Keep in mind that as a Professor of Political Science she SHOULD be fascinated by the political firestorm that is this election and it SHOULD be a wonderful teaching moment no matter what your political viewpoint but Professor Iannello obviously feels that her political viewpoint is more important than teaching students about politics so they will be getting an anti-Trump message this fall.
When I was at UMass, one of my economics teachers was a die hard Socialist. If you questioned his views you were subjected to snarky remarks in class and your chances of getting an A were few and far between.

Thanks for the anecdote

Economics professors don't indoctrinate students with "leftist" theories any more than mathematics and biology professors indoctrinate their students with "leftist" theories.

It just irks you that your partisan opinions don't jibe with professional analysis.

I would reflect on that.

I'm always amused when liberals admit to a "slight liberal leaning" in professions like journalism and economics! Be honest, Pinqy...you know that it's more than a slight lean! When I attended the University of Massachusetts back in the 70's by far the most liberal faculty at the school were in the Economics Department. It wasn't a "lean"...it was a downright bias!

Have you considered that the study of economics might bring one around to the wisdom of economic policies favored by people that are to the left of you politically? They may not have started out that way, but grew in that direction the more they learned about the discipline.

I imagine that, at the outset, people who study sociology have interests that we associate with the political left. That stands to reason. I don't see any reason why people who are drawn to studying economic theories as a profession would necessarily start out leaning left. If they end up that way, then it's the result of what they've learned, not a predisposition.

If you attend college and are taught economics by a predominantly liberal faculty then you're probably going to come away from that with liberal mindset. That isn't the "study" of economics...it's more like the "indoctrination" of liberal economic theory! Students are influenced by teachers. It's what teachers DO! Take Kathleen Iannello, an associate professor of political science at Gettysburg College...she has declared that as a liberal she will be using her classroom this Fall not to study politics but to condemn Donald Trump. Keep in mind that as a Professor of Political Science she SHOULD be fascinated by the political firestorm that is this election and it SHOULD be a wonderful teaching moment no matter what your political viewpoint but Professor Iannello obviously feels that her political viewpoint is more important than teaching students about politics so they will be getting an anti-Trump message this fall.
When I was at UMass, one of my economics teachers was a die hard Socialist. If you questioned his views you were subjected to snarky remarks in class and your chances of getting an A were few and far between.

Thanks for the anecdote

Economics professors don't indoctrinate students with "leftist" theories any more than mathematics and biology professors indoctrinate their students with "leftist" theories.

It just irks you that your partisan opinions don't jibe with professional analysis.

I would reflect on that.

All that Professor DID was indoctrinate students with his views that socialism was the only "inherently fair" political system in existence! When he used the word "capitalism" it was always in a negative way.

Math and Biology are proven sciences...you know as well as I do that economists do NOT agree what is "proven"!

Well then, as long as economics has been around, we might give more weight to "generally accepted practices and principles" than politically-engineered schemes.

Compare our economic recovery to several economies in Europe. We initiated stimulus. They instituted austerity. We've been trending up ever since while they finally got tired of struggling and have only now commenced stimulus programs.

Ah, Al? An average of 1.5% growth for eight years is hardly a "trend" worth crowing about...especially when we've doubled our debt doing it! If you want to make a case for Keynesian fiscal policy the Obama Presidency is NOT your "go to" example!

 

[Al Azar]

Have you considered that the study of economics might bring one around to the wisdom of economic policies favored by people that are to the left of you politically? They may not have started out that way, but grew in that direction the more they learned about the discipline.

I imagine that, at the outset, people who study sociology have interests that we associate with the political left. That stands to reason. I don't see any reason why people who are drawn to studying economic theories as a profession would necessarily start out leaning left. If they end up that way, then it's the result of what they've learned, not a predisposition.

If you attend college and are taught economics by a predominantly liberal faculty then you're probably going to come away from that with liberal mindset. That isn't the "study" of economics...it's more like the "indoctrination" of liberal economic theory! Students are influenced by teachers. It's what teachers DO! Take Kathleen Iannello, an associate professor of political science at Gettysburg College...she has declared that as a liberal she will be using her classroom this Fall not to study politics but to condemn Donald Trump. Keep in mind that as a Professor of Political Science she SHOULD be fascinated by the political firestorm that is this election and it SHOULD be a wonderful teaching moment no matter what your political viewpoint but Professor Iannello obviously feels that her political viewpoint is more important than teaching students about politics so they will be getting an anti-Trump message this fall.
When I was at UMass, one of my economics teachers was a die hard Socialist. If you questioned his views you were subjected to snarky remarks in class and your chances of getting an A were few and far between.

Thanks for the anecdote

Economics professors don't indoctrinate students with "leftist" theories any more than mathematics and biology professors indoctrinate their students with "leftist" theories.

It just irks you that your partisan opinions don't jibe with professional analysis.

I would reflect on that.

Have you considered that the study of economics might bring one around to the wisdom of economic policies favored by people that are to the left of you politically? They may not have started out that way, but grew in that direction the more they learned about the discipline.

I imagine that, at the outset, people who study sociology have interests that we associate with the political left. That stands to reason. I don't see any reason why people who are drawn to studying economic theories as a profession would necessarily start out leaning left. If they end up that way, then it's the result of what they've learned, not a predisposition.

If you attend college and are taught economics by a predominantly liberal faculty then you're probably going to come away from that with liberal mindset. That isn't the "study" of economics...it's more like the "indoctrination" of liberal economic theory! Students are influenced by teachers. It's what teachers DO! Take Kathleen Iannello, an associate professor of political science at Gettysburg College...she has declared that as a liberal she will be using her classroom this Fall not to study politics but to condemn Donald Trump. Keep in mind that as a Professor of Political Science she SHOULD be fascinated by the political firestorm that is this election and it SHOULD be a wonderful teaching moment no matter what your political viewpoint but Professor Iannello obviously feels that her political viewpoint is more important than teaching students about politics so they will be getting an anti-Trump message this fall.
When I was at UMass, one of my economics teachers was a die hard Socialist. If you questioned his views you were subjected to snarky remarks in class and your chances of getting an A were few and far between.

Thanks for the anecdote

Economics professors don't indoctrinate students with "leftist" theories any more than mathematics and biology professors indoctrinate their students with "leftist" theories.

It just irks you that your partisan opinions don't jibe with professional analysis.

I would reflect on that.

All that Professor DID was indoctrinate students with his views that socialism was the only "inherently fair" political system in existence! When he used the word "capitalism" it was always in a negative way.

Math and Biology are proven sciences...you know as well as I do that economists do NOT agree what is "proven"!

Well then, as long as economics has been around, we might give more weight to "generally accepted practices and principles" than politically-engineered schemes.

Compare our economic recovery to several economies in Europe. We initiated stimulus. They instituted austerity. We've been trending up ever since while they finally got tired of struggling and have only now commenced stimulus programs.

Ah, Al? An average of 1.5% growth for eight years is hardly a "trend" worth crowing about...especially when we've doubled our debt doing it! If you want to make a case for Keynesian fiscal policy the Obama Presidency is NOT your "go to" example!

What did the trend line look like during the previous administration?

 

[ogibillm]

I'm always amused when liberals admit to a "slight liberal leaning" in professions like journalism and economics! Be honest, Pinqy...you know that it's more than a slight lean! When I attended the University of Massachusetts back in the 70's by far the most liberal faculty at the school were in the Economics Department. It wasn't a "lean"...it was a downright bias!

Have you considered that the study of economics might bring one around to the wisdom of economic policies favored by people that are to the left of you politically? They may not have started out that way, but grew in that direction the more they learned about the discipline.

I imagine that, at the outset, people who study sociology have interests that we associate with the political left. That stands to reason. I don't see any reason why people who are drawn to studying economic theories as a profession would necessarily start out leaning left. If they end up that way, then it's the result of what they've learned, not a predisposition.

If you attend college and are taught economics by a predominantly liberal faculty then you're probably going to come away from that with liberal mindset. That isn't the "study" of economics...it's more like the "indoctrination" of liberal economic theory!

and you get your economic bonifides from where?

 

[Al Azar]

I'm always amused when liberals admit to a "slight liberal leaning" in professions like journalism and economics! Be honest, Pinqy...you know that it's more than a slight lean! When I attended the University of Massachusetts back in the 70's by far the most liberal faculty at the school were in the Economics Department. It wasn't a "lean"...it was a downright bias!

Have you considered that the study of economics might bring one around to the wisdom of economic policies favored by people that are to the left of you politically? They may not have started out that way, but grew in that direction the more they learned about the discipline.

I imagine that, at the outset, people who study sociology have interests that we associate with the political left. That stands to reason. I don't see any reason why people who are drawn to studying economic theories as a profession would necessarily start out leaning left. If they end up that way, then it's the result of what they've learned, not a predisposition.

If you attend college and are taught economics by a predominantly liberal faculty then you're probably going to come away from that with liberal mindset. That isn't the "study" of economics...it's more like the "indoctrination" of liberal economic theory!

and you get your economic bonifides from where?

The school of ignoring the economic soundness of anything that doesn't fit the model he subscribes to.

 

[ogibillm]

I'm always amused when liberals admit to a "slight liberal leaning" in professions like journalism and economics! Be honest, Pinqy...you know that it's more than a slight lean! When I attended the University of Massachusetts back in the 70's by far the most liberal faculty at the school were in the Economics Department. It wasn't a "lean"...it was a downright bias!

Have you considered that the study of economics might bring one around to the wisdom of economic policies favored by people that are to the left of you politically? They may not have started out that way, but grew in that direction the more they learned about the discipline.

I imagine that, at the outset, people who study sociology have interests that we associate with the political left. That stands to reason. I don't see any reason why people who are drawn to studying economic theories as a profession would necessarily start out leaning left. If they end up that way, then it's the result of what they've learned, not a predisposition.

If you attend college and are taught economics by a predominantly liberal faculty then you're probably going to come away from that with liberal mindset. That isn't the "study" of economics...it's more like the "indoctrination" of liberal economic theory!

and you get your economic bonifides from where?

The school of ignoring the economic soundness of anything that doesn't fit the model he subscribes to.

That's what i dont get. you know, maybe these economists ignored their professional opi ions and chose clinton for some other reason. maybe they just hate trump that much.

doesn't matter. moody's analytics doesn't care about liberal or conservative. moody's is just about accurately predicting the future and they say trump would be a disaster.

so if we're going to discount the opinion of these members of a non-partisan professional economists organization because of some half-baked idea that they've all been indoctrinated through actual education a d instead go with the gut of the right wing what do we do about moody's?


or are we to believe that it's all a liberal conspiracy and every expert is lying?

 

[bripat9643]

I'm always amused when liberals admit to a "slight liberal leaning" in professions like journalism and economics! Be honest, Pinqy...you know that it's more than a slight lean! When I attended the University of Massachusetts back in the 70's by far the most liberal faculty at the school were in the Economics Department. It wasn't a "lean"...it was a downright bias!

Have you considered that the study of economics might bring one around to the wisdom of economic policies favored by people that are to the left of you politically? They may not have started out that way, but grew in that direction the more they learned about the discipline.

I imagine that, at the outset, people who study sociology have interests that we associate with the political left. That stands to reason. I don't see any reason why people who are drawn to studying economic theories as a profession would necessarily start out leaning left. If they end up that way, then it's the result of what they've learned, not a predisposition.

If you attend college and are taught economics by a predominantly liberal faculty then you're probably going to come away from that with liberal mindset. That isn't the "study" of economics...it's more like the "indoctrination" of liberal economic theory! Students are influenced by teachers. It's what teachers DO! Take Kathleen Iannello, an associate professor of political science at Gettysburg College...she has declared that as a liberal she will be using her classroom this Fall not to study politics but to condemn Donald Trump. Keep in mind that as a Professor of Political Science she SHOULD be fascinated by the political firestorm that is this election and it SHOULD be a wonderful teaching moment no matter what your political viewpoint but Professor Iannello obviously feels that her political viewpoint is more important than teaching students about politics so they will be getting an anti-Trump message this fall.
When I was at UMass, one of my economics teachers was a die hard Socialist. If you questioned his views you were subjected to snarky remarks in class and your chances of getting an A were few and far between.

Thanks for the anecdote

Economics professors don't indoctrinate students with "leftist" theories any more than mathematics and biology professors indoctrinate their students with "leftist" theories.

It just irks you that your partisan opinions don't jibe with professional analysis.

I would reflect on that.

I'm always amused when liberals admit to a "slight liberal leaning" in professions like journalism and economics! Be honest, Pinqy...you know that it's more than a slight lean! When I attended the University of Massachusetts back in the 70's by far the most liberal faculty at the school were in the Economics Department. It wasn't a "lean"...it was a downright bias!

Have you considered that the study of economics might bring one around to the wisdom of economic policies favored by people that are to the left of you politically? They may not have started out that way, but grew in that direction the more they learned about the discipline.

I imagine that, at the outset, people who study sociology have interests that we associate with the political left. That stands to reason. I don't see any reason why people who are drawn to studying economic theories as a profession would necessarily start out leaning left. If they end up that way, then it's the result of what they've learned, not a predisposition.

If you attend college and are taught economics by a predominantly liberal faculty then you're probably going to come away from that with liberal mindset. That isn't the "study" of economics...it's more like the "indoctrination" of liberal economic theory! Students are influenced by teachers. It's what teachers DO! Take Kathleen Iannello, an associate professor of political science at Gettysburg College...she has declared that as a liberal she will be using her classroom this Fall not to study politics but to condemn Donald Trump. Keep in mind that as a Professor of Political Science she SHOULD be fascinated by the political firestorm that is this election and it SHOULD be a wonderful teaching moment no matter what your political viewpoint but Professor Iannello obviously feels that her political viewpoint is more important than teaching students about politics so they will be getting an anti-Trump message this fall.
When I was at UMass, one of my economics teachers was a die hard Socialist. If you questioned his views you were subjected to snarky remarks in class and your chances of getting an A were few and far between.

Thanks for the anecdote

Economics professors don't indoctrinate students with "leftist" theories any more than mathematics and biology professors indoctrinate their students with "leftist" theories.

It just irks you that your partisan opinions don't jibe with professional analysis.

I would reflect on that.

All that Professor DID was indoctrinate students with his views that socialism was the only "inherently fair" political system in existence! When he used the word "capitalism" it was always in a negative way.

Math and Biology are proven sciences...you know as well as I do that economists do NOT agree what is "proven"!

Well then, as long as economics has been around, we might give more weight to "generally accepted practices and principles" than politically-engineered schemes.

Compare our economic recovery to several economies in Europe. We initiated stimulus. They instituted austerity. We've been trending up ever since while they finally got tired of struggling and have only now commenced stimulus programs.

"Austerity?" You must be joking. Which European country actually cut spending? Under Obama we've had the slowest recovery since the Great Depression. Governments in power for both events pursued the same economic policies. It's hardly surprising that they achieved the same results.

 

[bripat9643]

I'm always amused when liberals admit to a "slight liberal leaning" in professions like journalism and economics! Be honest, Pinqy...you know that it's more than a slight lean! When I attended the University of Massachusetts back in the 70's by far the most liberal faculty at the school were in the Economics Department. It wasn't a "lean"...it was a downright bias!

Have you considered that the study of economics might bring one around to the wisdom of economic policies favored by people that are to the left of you politically? They may not have started out that way, but grew in that direction the more they learned about the discipline.

I imagine that, at the outset, people who study sociology have interests that we associate with the political left. That stands to reason. I don't see any reason why people who are drawn to studying economic theories as a profession would necessarily start out leaning left. If they end up that way, then it's the result of what they've learned, not a predisposition.

If you attend college and are taught economics by a predominantly liberal faculty then you're probably going to come away from that with liberal mindset. That isn't the "study" of economics...it's more like the "indoctrination" of liberal economic theory!

and you get your economic bonifides from where?

The school of ignoring the economic soundness of anything that doesn't fit the model he subscribes to.

That's what i dont get. you know, maybe these economists ignored their professional opi ions and chose clinton for some other reason. maybe they just hate trump that much.

doesn't matter. moody's analytics doesn't care about liberal or conservative. moody's is just about accurately predicting the future and they say trump would be a disaster.

so if we're going to discount the opinion of these members of a non-partisan professional economists organization because of some half-baked idea that they've all been indoctrinated through actual education a d instead go with the gut of the right wing what do we do about moody's?


or are we to believe that it's all a liberal conspiracy and every expert is lying?

When did Moody's ever successfully predict the future?

 

[bripat9643]

If you attend college and are taught economics by a predominantly liberal faculty then you're probably going to come away from that with liberal mindset. That isn't the "study" of economics...it's more like the "indoctrination" of liberal economic theory! Students are influenced by teachers. It's what teachers DO! Take Kathleen Iannello, an associate professor of political science at Gettysburg College...she has declared that as a liberal she will be using her classroom this Fall not to study politics but to condemn Donald Trump. Keep in mind that as a Professor of Political Science she SHOULD be fascinated by the political firestorm that is this election and it SHOULD be a wonderful teaching moment no matter what your political viewpoint but Professor Iannello obviously feels that her political viewpoint is more important than teaching students about politics so they will be getting an anti-Trump message this fall.
When I was at UMass, one of my economics teachers was a die hard Socialist. If you questioned his views you were subjected to snarky remarks in class and your chances of getting an A were few and far between.

Thanks for the anecdote

Economics professors don't indoctrinate students with "leftist" theories any more than mathematics and biology professors indoctrinate their students with "leftist" theories.

It just irks you that your partisan opinions don't jibe with professional analysis.

I would reflect on that.

If you attend college and are taught economics by a predominantly liberal faculty then you're probably going to come away from that with liberal mindset. That isn't the "study" of economics...it's more like the "indoctrination" of liberal economic theory! Students are influenced by teachers. It's what teachers DO! Take Kathleen Iannello, an associate professor of political science at Gettysburg College...she has declared that as a liberal she will be using her classroom this Fall not to study politics but to condemn Donald Trump. Keep in mind that as a Professor of Political Science she SHOULD be fascinated by the political firestorm that is this election and it SHOULD be a wonderful teaching moment no matter what your political viewpoint but Professor Iannello obviously feels that her political viewpoint is more important than teaching students about politics so they will be getting an anti-Trump message this fall.
When I was at UMass, one of my economics teachers was a die hard Socialist. If you questioned his views you were subjected to snarky remarks in class and your chances of getting an A were few and far between.

Thanks for the anecdote

Economics professors don't indoctrinate students with "leftist" theories any more than mathematics and biology professors indoctrinate their students with "leftist" theories.

It just irks you that your partisan opinions don't jibe with professional analysis.

I would reflect on that.

All that Professor DID was indoctrinate students with his views that socialism was the only "inherently fair" political system in existence! When he used the word "capitalism" it was always in a negative way.

Math and Biology are proven sciences...you know as well as I do that economists do NOT agree what is "proven"!

Well then, as long as economics has been around, we might give more weight to "generally accepted practices and principles" than politically-engineered schemes.

Compare our economic recovery to several economies in Europe. We initiated stimulus. They instituted austerity. We've been trending up ever since while they finally got tired of struggling and have only now commenced stimulus programs.

Ah, Al? An average of 1.5% growth for eight years is hardly a "trend" worth crowing about...especially when we've doubled our debt doing it! If you want to make a case for Keynesian fiscal policy the Obama Presidency is NOT your "go to" example!

What did the trend line look like during the previous administration?

That's how the trend line looks at the beginning of every recession, dumbass.

How many recoveries have we had without government intervention? Answer: before the Great Depression, all of em. The Great Depression was the first time politicians attempted to intervene, and look what a spectacular success it was. It only lasted 8 more years!

 

[Oldstyle]

I'm always amused when liberals admit to a "slight liberal leaning" in professions like journalism and economics! Be honest, Pinqy...you know that it's more than a slight lean! When I attended the University of Massachusetts back in the 70's by far the most liberal faculty at the school were in the Economics Department. It wasn't a "lean"...it was a downright bias!

Have you considered that the study of economics might bring one around to the wisdom of economic policies favored by people that are to the left of you politically? They may not have started out that way, but grew in that direction the more they learned about the discipline.

I imagine that, at the outset, people who study sociology have interests that we associate with the political left. That stands to reason. I don't see any reason why people who are drawn to studying economic theories as a profession would necessarily start out leaning left. If they end up that way, then it's the result of what they've learned, not a predisposition.

If you attend college and are taught economics by a predominantly liberal faculty then you're probably going to come away from that with liberal mindset. That isn't the "study" of economics...it's more like the "indoctrination" of liberal economic theory!

and you get your economic bonifides from where?

Economics classes at the University of Massachusetts and Amherst College. I had the pleasure of taking a class with Thomas Sowell at Amherst. It was a nice change after getting bombarded with liberal economic theory at UMass.

 

[Oldstyle]

If you attend college and are taught economics by a predominantly liberal faculty then you're probably going to come away from that with liberal mindset. That isn't the "study" of economics...it's more like the "indoctrination" of liberal economic theory! Students are influenced by teachers. It's what teachers DO! Take Kathleen Iannello, an associate professor of political science at Gettysburg College...she has declared that as a liberal she will be using her classroom this Fall not to study politics but to condemn Donald Trump. Keep in mind that as a Professor of Political Science she SHOULD be fascinated by the political firestorm that is this election and it SHOULD be a wonderful teaching moment no matter what your political viewpoint but Professor Iannello obviously feels that her political viewpoint is more important than teaching students about politics so they will be getting an anti-Trump message this fall.
When I was at UMass, one of my economics teachers was a die hard Socialist. If you questioned his views you were subjected to snarky remarks in class and your chances of getting an A were few and far between.

Thanks for the anecdote

Economics professors don't indoctrinate students with "leftist" theories any more than mathematics and biology professors indoctrinate their students with "leftist" theories.

It just irks you that your partisan opinions don't jibe with professional analysis.

I would reflect on that.

If you attend college and are taught economics by a predominantly liberal faculty then you're probably going to come away from that with liberal mindset. That isn't the "study" of economics...it's more like the "indoctrination" of liberal economic theory! Students are influenced by teachers. It's what teachers DO! Take Kathleen Iannello, an associate professor of political science at Gettysburg College...she has declared that as a liberal she will be using her classroom this Fall not to study politics but to condemn Donald Trump. Keep in mind that as a Professor of Political Science she SHOULD be fascinated by the political firestorm that is this election and it SHOULD be a wonderful teaching moment no matter what your political viewpoint but Professor Iannello obviously feels that her political viewpoint is more important than teaching students about politics so they will be getting an anti-Trump message this fall.
When I was at UMass, one of my economics teachers was a die hard Socialist. If you questioned his views you were subjected to snarky remarks in class and your chances of getting an A were few and far between.

Thanks for the anecdote

Economics professors don't indoctrinate students with "leftist" theories any more than mathematics and biology professors indoctrinate their students with "leftist" theories.

It just irks you that your partisan opinions don't jibe with professional analysis.

I would reflect on that.

All that Professor DID was indoctrinate students with his views that socialism was the only "inherently fair" political system in existence! When he used the word "capitalism" it was always in a negative way.

Math and Biology are proven sciences...you know as well as I do that economists do NOT agree what is "proven"!

Well then, as long as economics has been around, we might give more weight to "generally accepted practices and principles" than politically-engineered schemes.

Compare our economic recovery to several economies in Europe. We initiated stimulus. They instituted austerity. We've been trending up ever since while they finally got tired of struggling and have only now commenced stimulus programs.

Ah, Al? An average of 1.5% growth for eight years is hardly a "trend" worth crowing about...especially when we've doubled our debt doing it! If you want to make a case for Keynesian fiscal policy the Obama Presidency is NOT your "go to" example!

What did the trend line look like during the previous administration?

For the first seven years of the Bush Administration economic growth averaged 2.1 %. Barack Obama is the only President in history who will most likely go an entire eight years without going over 2% in economic growth in any quarter.

 

[Al Azar]

Thanks for the anecdote

Economics professors don't indoctrinate students with "leftist" theories any more than mathematics and biology professors indoctrinate their students with "leftist" theories.

It just irks you that your partisan opinions don't jibe with professional analysis.

I would reflect on that.

Thanks for the anecdote

Economics professors don't indoctrinate students with "leftist" theories any more than mathematics and biology professors indoctrinate their students with "leftist" theories.

It just irks you that your partisan opinions don't jibe with professional analysis.

I would reflect on that.

All that Professor DID was indoctrinate students with his views that socialism was the only "inherently fair" political system in existence! When he used the word "capitalism" it was always in a negative way.

Math and Biology are proven sciences...you know as well as I do that economists do NOT agree what is "proven"!

Well then, as long as economics has been around, we might give more weight to "generally accepted practices and principles" than politically-engineered schemes.

Compare our economic recovery to several economies in Europe. We initiated stimulus. They instituted austerity. We've been trending up ever since while they finally got tired of struggling and have only now commenced stimulus programs.

Ah, Al? An average of 1.5% growth for eight years is hardly a "trend" worth crowing about...especially when we've doubled our debt doing it! If you want to make a case for Keynesian fiscal policy the Obama Presidency is NOT your "go to" example!

What did the trend line look like during the previous administration?

For the first seven years of the Bush Administration economic growth averaged 2.1 %. Barack Obama is the only President in history who will most likely go an entire eight years without going over 2% in economic growth in any quarter.

Compare the state of the economy when each started.

 

[ogibillm]

Thanks for the anecdote

Economics professors don't indoctrinate students with "leftist" theories any more than mathematics and biology professors indoctrinate their students with "leftist" theories.

It just irks you that your partisan opinions don't jibe with professional analysis.

I would reflect on that.

Thanks for the anecdote

Economics professors don't indoctrinate students with "leftist" theories any more than mathematics and biology professors indoctrinate their students with "leftist" theories.

It just irks you that your partisan opinions don't jibe with professional analysis.

I would reflect on that.

All that Professor DID was indoctrinate students with his views that socialism was the only "inherently fair" political system in existence! When he used the word "capitalism" it was always in a negative way.

Math and Biology are proven sciences...you know as well as I do that economists do NOT agree what is "proven"!

Well then, as long as economics has been around, we might give more weight to "generally accepted practices and principles" than politically-engineered schemes.

Compare our economic recovery to several economies in Europe. We initiated stimulus. They instituted austerity. We've been trending up ever since while they finally got tired of struggling and have only now commenced stimulus programs.

Ah, Al? An average of 1.5% growth for eight years is hardly a "trend" worth crowing about...especially when we've doubled our debt doing it! If you want to make a case for Keynesian fiscal policy the Obama Presidency is NOT your "go to" example!

What did the trend line look like during the previous administration?

For the first seven years of the Bush Administration economic growth averaged 2.1 %. Barack Obama is the only President in history who will most likely go an entire eight years without going over 2% in economic growth in any quarter.

you realize that's a poor metric, right?

 

[Al Azar]

All that Professor DID was indoctrinate students with his views that socialism was the only "inherently fair" political system in existence! When he used the word "capitalism" it was always in a negative way.

Math and Biology are proven sciences...you know as well as I do that economists do NOT agree what is "proven"!

Well then, as long as economics has been around, we might give more weight to "generally accepted practices and principles" than politically-engineered schemes.

Compare our economic recovery to several economies in Europe. We initiated stimulus. They instituted austerity. We've been trending up ever since while they finally got tired of struggling and have only now commenced stimulus programs.

Ah, Al? An average of 1.5% growth for eight years is hardly a "trend" worth crowing about...especially when we've doubled our debt doing it! If you want to make a case for Keynesian fiscal policy the Obama Presidency is NOT your "go to" example!

What did the trend line look like during the previous administration?

For the first seven years of the Bush Administration economic growth averaged 2.1 %. Barack Obama is the only President in history who will most likely go an entire eight years without going over 2% in economic growth in any quarter.

you realize that's a poor metric, right?

A number of people here take a snapshot and think it tells a story, with no context and ignoring what preceded it, like it exists in a vacuum. The only explanation for that is because everything it can be compared to would embarrass them.

 

[Oldstyle]

All that Professor DID was indoctrinate students with his views that socialism was the only "inherently fair" political system in existence! When he used the word "capitalism" it was always in a negative way.

Math and Biology are proven sciences...you know as well as I do that economists do NOT agree what is "proven"!

Well then, as long as economics has been around, we might give more weight to "generally accepted practices and principles" than politically-engineered schemes.

Compare our economic recovery to several economies in Europe. We initiated stimulus. They instituted austerity. We've been trending up ever since while they finally got tired of struggling and have only now commenced stimulus programs.

Ah, Al? An average of 1.5% growth for eight years is hardly a "trend" worth crowing about...especially when we've doubled our debt doing it! If you want to make a case for Keynesian fiscal policy the Obama Presidency is NOT your "go to" example!

What did the trend line look like during the previous administration?

For the first seven years of the Bush Administration economic growth averaged 2.1 %. Barack Obama is the only President in history who will most likely go an entire eight years without going over 2% in economic growth in any quarter.

you realize that's a poor metric, right?

It's a terrible metric for Barry...I agree!

 

[Oldstyle]

Well then, as long as economics has been around, we might give more weight to "generally accepted practices and principles" than politically-engineered schemes.

Compare our economic recovery to several economies in Europe. We initiated stimulus. They instituted austerity. We've been trending up ever since while they finally got tired of struggling and have only now commenced stimulus programs.

Ah, Al? An average of 1.5% growth for eight years is hardly a "trend" worth crowing about...especially when we've doubled our debt doing it! If you want to make a case for Keynesian fiscal policy the Obama Presidency is NOT your "go to" example!

What did the trend line look like during the previous administration?

For the first seven years of the Bush Administration economic growth averaged 2.1 %. Barack Obama is the only President in history who will most likely go an entire eight years without going over 2% in economic growth in any quarter.

you realize that's a poor metric, right?

A number of people here take a snapshot and think it tells a story, with no context and ignoring what preceded it, like it exists in a vacuum. The only explanation for that is because everything it can be compared to would embarrass them.

Eight years is a "snapshot"? You should be embarrassed to make that claim, Al! Seriously...I can't believe you posted that!

Two terms isn't a "snapshot"...it's a full length movie followed by a full length sequel!

 

[Oldstyle]

All that Professor DID was indoctrinate students with his views that socialism was the only "inherently fair" political system in existence! When he used the word "capitalism" it was always in a negative way.

Math and Biology are proven sciences...you know as well as I do that economists do NOT agree what is "proven"!

Well then, as long as economics has been around, we might give more weight to "generally accepted practices and principles" than politically-engineered schemes.

Compare our economic recovery to several economies in Europe. We initiated stimulus. They instituted austerity. We've been trending up ever since while they finally got tired of struggling and have only now commenced stimulus programs.

Ah, Al? An average of 1.5% growth for eight years is hardly a "trend" worth crowing about...especially when we've doubled our debt doing it! If you want to make a case for Keynesian fiscal policy the Obama Presidency is NOT your "go to" example!

What did the trend line look like during the previous administration?

For the first seven years of the Bush Administration economic growth averaged 2.1 %. Barack Obama is the only President in history who will most likely go an entire eight years without going over 2% in economic growth in any quarter.

Compare the state of the economy when each started.

If one was to look at the history of recessions, Al...it's almost a given that the sharper the downturn going into recession...the steeper the recovery is coming out of a recession. Barack Obama's economy is the exception to that. His policies led to stagnant growth because he's clueless about economics.

 

[Al Azar]

Ah, Al? An average of 1.5% growth for eight years is hardly a "trend" worth crowing about...especially when we've doubled our debt doing it! If you want to make a case for Keynesian fiscal policy the Obama Presidency is NOT your "go to" example!

What did the trend line look like during the previous administration?

For the first seven years of the Bush Administration economic growth averaged 2.1 %. Barack Obama is the only President in history who will most likely go an entire eight years without going over 2% in economic growth in any quarter.

you realize that's a poor metric, right?

A number of people here take a snapshot and think it tells a story, with no context and ignoring what preceded it, like it exists in a vacuum. The only explanation for that is because everything it can be compared to would embarrass them.

Eight years is a "snapshot"? You should be embarrassed to make that claim, Al! Seriously...I can't believe you posted that!

Two terms isn't a "snapshot"...it's a full length movie followed by a full length sequel!

Yet you totally ignore the prequel and fail to appreciate the vast improvement. That's disingenuous.