Pop quiz: who is the constitutional head of the executive branch of the federal government?
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11 law professors: Trump can obstruct justice
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Pop quiz: who is the constitutional head of the executive branch of the federal government?
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Ted Frazier
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Wow. You didn't even name one!
Sooo.....you're taking an 'F' on the pop quiz?
The real world isn't like your alma mater, the government school, huh?
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Here's why even the Republicans decided to impeach Nixon.
Haldeman: Now, on the investigation, you know, the Democratic break-in thing, were back to the-in the, the problem area because the FBI is not under control, because Gray doesnt exactly know how to control them, and they have, their investigation is now leading into some productive areas, because theyve been able to trace the money, not through the money itself, but through the bank, you know, sources the banker himself. And, and it goes in some directions we dont want it to go. Ah, also there have been some things, like an informant came in off the street to the FBI in Miami, who was a photographer or has a friend who is a photographer who developed some films through this guy, Barker, and the films had pictures of Democratic National Committee letter head documents and things. So I guess, so its things like that that are gonna, that are filtering in. Mitchell came up with yesterday, and John Dean analyzed very carefully last night and concludes, concurs now with Mitchells recommendation that the only way to solve this, and were set up beautifully to do it, ah, in that and that the only network that paid any attention to it last night was NBC they did a massive story on the Cuban
Nixon: Thats right.
Haldeman: thing.
Nixon: Right.
Haldeman: That the way to handle this now is for us to have Walters call Pat Gray and just say, Stay the hell out of this this this ah, business here we dont want you to go any further on it. Thats not an unusual development,
Nixon: Um huh.
Haldeman: and, uh, that would take care of it.
Nixon: What about Pat Gray, ah, you mean he doesnt want to?
Haldeman: Pat does want to. He doesnt know how to, and he doesnt have, he doesnt have any basis for doing it. Given this, he will then have the basis. Hell call Mark Felt in, and the two of them and Mark Felt wants to cooperate because
Nixon: Yeah.
Haldeman: hes ambitious
Nixon: Yeah.
Haldeman: Ah, hell call him in and say, Weve got the signal from across the river to, to put the hold on this. And that will fit rather well because the FBI agents who are working the case, at this point, feel thats what it is. This is CIA.
Nixon: But theyve traced the money to em.
Haldeman: Well they have, theyve traced to a name, but they havent gotten to the guy yet.
Nixon: Would it be somebody here?
Haldeman: Ken Dahlberg.
Nixon: Who the hell is Ken Dahlberg?
Haldeman: Hes ah, he gave $25,000 in Minnesota and ah, the check went directly in to this, to this guy Barker.
Nixon: Maybe hes a bum.
Nixon: He didnt get this from the committee though, from Stans.
Haldeman: Yeah. It is. It is. Its directly traceable and theres some more through some Texas people inthat went to the Mexican bank which they can also trace to the Mexican bank theyll get their names today. And (pause)
Nixon: Well, I mean, ah, theres no way Im just thinking if they dont cooperate, what do they say? They they, they were approached by the Cubans. Thats what Dahlberg has to say, the Texans too. Is that the idea?
Haldeman: Well, if they will. But then were relying on more and more people all the time. Thats the problem. And ah, theyll stop if we could, if we take this other step.
Nixon: All right. Fine.
Haldeman: And, and they seem to feel the thing to do is get them to stop?
Nixon: Right, fine.
Haldeman: They say the only way to do that is from White House instructions. And its got to be to Helms and, ah, whats his name ? Walters.
Nixon: Walters.
Haldeman: And the proposal would be that Ehrlichman (coughs) and I call them in
Nixon: All right, fine.
Haldeman: and say, ah
Nixon: How do you call him in, I mean you just, well, we protected Helms from one hell of a lot of things.
Haldeman: Thats what Ehrlichman says.
Nixon: Of course, this is a, this is a Hunt, you will-that will uncover a lot of things. You open that scab theres a hell of a lot of things and that we just feel that it would be very detrimental to have this thing go any further.This involves these Cubans, Hunt, and a lot of hanky-panky that we have nothing to do with ourselves. Well what the hell, did Mitchell know about this thing to any much of a degree.
Haldeman: I think so. I don t think he knew the details, but I think he knew.
Nixon: He didnt know how it was going to be handled though, with Dahlberg and the Texans and so forth? Well who was the asshole that did? (Unintelligible) Is it Liddy? Is that the fellow? He must be a little nuts.
Haldeman: He is.
Nixon: I mean he just isnt well screwed on is he? Isnt that the problem?
Haldeman: No, but he was under pressure, apparently, to get more information, and as he got more pressure, he pushed the people harder to move harder on
Nixon: Pressure from Mitchell?
Haldeman: Apparently.
Nixon: Oh, Mitchell, Mitchell was at the point that you made on this, that exactly what I need from you is on the
Haldeman: Gemstone, yeah.
Nixon: All right, fine, I understand it all. We wont second-guess Mitchell and the rest. Thank God it wasnt Colson.
Haldeman: The FBI interviewed Colson yesterday. They determined that would be a good thing to do.
Nixon: Um hum.
Haldeman: Ah, to have him take a
Nixon: Um hum.
Haldeman: An interrogation, which he did, and that, the FBI guys working the case had concluded that there were one or two possibilities, one, that this was a White House, they dont think that there is anything at the Election Committee, they think it was either a White House operation and they had some obscure reasons for it, non political,
Nixon: Uh huh.
Haldeman: or it was a
Nixon: Cuban thing-
Haldeman: Cubans and the CIA. And after their interrogation of, of
Nixon: Colson.
Haldeman: Colson, yesterday, they concluded it was not the White House, but are now convinced it is a CIA thing, so the CIA turn off would
Nixon: Well, not sure of their analysis, Im not going to get that involved. Im (unintelligible).
Haldeman: No, sir. We dont want you to.
Nixon: You call them in.
Nixon: Good. Good deal! Play it tough. Thats the way they play it and thats the way we are going to play it.
Haldeman: O.K. Well do it.
Nixon: Yeah, when I saw that news summary item, I of course knew it was a bunch of crap, but I thought ah, well its good to have them off on this wild hair thing because when they start bugging us, which they have, well know our little boys will not know how to handle it. I hope they will though. You never know. Maybe, you think about it. Good!
Haldeman: Now, on the investigation, you know, the Democratic break-in thing, were back to the-in the, the problem area because the FBI is not under control, because Gray doesnt exactly know how to control them, and they have, their investigation is now leading into some productive areas, because theyve been able to trace the money, not through the money itself, but through the bank, you know, sources the banker himself. And, and it goes in some directions we dont want it to go. Ah, also there have been some things, like an informant came in off the street to the FBI in Miami, who was a photographer or has a friend who is a photographer who developed some films through this guy, Barker, and the films had pictures of Democratic National Committee letter head documents and things. So I guess, so its things like that that are gonna, that are filtering in. Mitchell came up with yesterday, and John Dean analyzed very carefully last night and concludes, concurs now with Mitchells recommendation that the only way to solve this, and were set up beautifully to do it, ah, in that and that the only network that paid any attention to it last night was NBC they did a massive story on the Cuban
Nixon: Thats right.
Haldeman: thing.
Nixon: Right.
Haldeman: That the way to handle this now is for us to have Walters call Pat Gray and just say, Stay the hell out of this this this ah, business here we dont want you to go any further on it. Thats not an unusual development,
Nixon: Um huh.
Haldeman: and, uh, that would take care of it.
Nixon: What about Pat Gray, ah, you mean he doesnt want to?
Haldeman: Pat does want to. He doesnt know how to, and he doesnt have, he doesnt have any basis for doing it. Given this, he will then have the basis. Hell call Mark Felt in, and the two of them and Mark Felt wants to cooperate because
Nixon: Yeah.
Haldeman: hes ambitious
Nixon: Yeah.
Haldeman: Ah, hell call him in and say, Weve got the signal from across the river to, to put the hold on this. And that will fit rather well because the FBI agents who are working the case, at this point, feel thats what it is. This is CIA.
Nixon: But theyve traced the money to em.
Haldeman: Well they have, theyve traced to a name, but they havent gotten to the guy yet.
Nixon: Would it be somebody here?
Haldeman: Ken Dahlberg.
Nixon: Who the hell is Ken Dahlberg?
Haldeman: Hes ah, he gave $25,000 in Minnesota and ah, the check went directly in to this, to this guy Barker.
Nixon: Maybe hes a bum.
Nixon: He didnt get this from the committee though, from Stans.
Haldeman: Yeah. It is. It is. Its directly traceable and theres some more through some Texas people inthat went to the Mexican bank which they can also trace to the Mexican bank theyll get their names today. And (pause)
Nixon: Well, I mean, ah, theres no way Im just thinking if they dont cooperate, what do they say? They they, they were approached by the Cubans. Thats what Dahlberg has to say, the Texans too. Is that the idea?
Haldeman: Well, if they will. But then were relying on more and more people all the time. Thats the problem. And ah, theyll stop if we could, if we take this other step.
Nixon: All right. Fine.
Haldeman: And, and they seem to feel the thing to do is get them to stop?
Nixon: Right, fine.
Haldeman: They say the only way to do that is from White House instructions. And its got to be to Helms and, ah, whats his name ? Walters.
Nixon: Walters.
Haldeman: And the proposal would be that Ehrlichman (coughs) and I call them in
Nixon: All right, fine.
Haldeman: and say, ah
Nixon: How do you call him in, I mean you just, well, we protected Helms from one hell of a lot of things.
Haldeman: Thats what Ehrlichman says.
Nixon: Of course, this is a, this is a Hunt, you will-that will uncover a lot of things. You open that scab theres a hell of a lot of things and that we just feel that it would be very detrimental to have this thing go any further.This involves these Cubans, Hunt, and a lot of hanky-panky that we have nothing to do with ourselves. Well what the hell, did Mitchell know about this thing to any much of a degree.
Haldeman: I think so. I don t think he knew the details, but I think he knew.
Nixon: He didnt know how it was going to be handled though, with Dahlberg and the Texans and so forth? Well who was the asshole that did? (Unintelligible) Is it Liddy? Is that the fellow? He must be a little nuts.
Haldeman: He is.
Nixon: I mean he just isnt well screwed on is he? Isnt that the problem?
Haldeman: No, but he was under pressure, apparently, to get more information, and as he got more pressure, he pushed the people harder to move harder on
Nixon: Pressure from Mitchell?
Haldeman: Apparently.
Nixon: Oh, Mitchell, Mitchell was at the point that you made on this, that exactly what I need from you is on the
Haldeman: Gemstone, yeah.
Nixon: All right, fine, I understand it all. We wont second-guess Mitchell and the rest. Thank God it wasnt Colson.
Haldeman: The FBI interviewed Colson yesterday. They determined that would be a good thing to do.
Nixon: Um hum.
Haldeman: Ah, to have him take a
Nixon: Um hum.
Haldeman: An interrogation, which he did, and that, the FBI guys working the case had concluded that there were one or two possibilities, one, that this was a White House, they dont think that there is anything at the Election Committee, they think it was either a White House operation and they had some obscure reasons for it, non political,
Nixon: Uh huh.
Haldeman: or it was a
Nixon: Cuban thing-
Haldeman: Cubans and the CIA. And after their interrogation of, of
Nixon: Colson.
Haldeman: Colson, yesterday, they concluded it was not the White House, but are now convinced it is a CIA thing, so the CIA turn off would
Nixon: Well, not sure of their analysis, Im not going to get that involved. Im (unintelligible).
Haldeman: No, sir. We dont want you to.
Nixon: You call them in.
Nixon: Good. Good deal! Play it tough. Thats the way they play it and thats the way we are going to play it.
Haldeman: O.K. Well do it.
Nixon: Yeah, when I saw that news summary item, I of course knew it was a bunch of crap, but I thought ah, well its good to have them off on this wild hair thing because when they start bugging us, which they have, well know our little boys will not know how to handle it. I hope they will though. You never know. Maybe, you think about it. Good!
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Nixon ordered Mark Felt, the Associate Director of the FBI, called in and told to stop his investigation of the Watergate break-in.
That was obstruction of justice. And it is why Nixon had to resign before he could be impeached once that conversation became public.
Mark Felt turned out to be "Deep Throat".
That was obstruction of justice. And it is why Nixon had to resign before he could be impeached once that conversation became public.
Mark Felt turned out to be "Deep Throat".
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Ted you ******* idiot! This is surely news to Nixon.
g5000
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The President.
Not an Emperor.
Go ahead. Look it up and see for yourself! (Or not?)
Now, when it is revealed by time and events that everything I posted is 100% correct, accurate, and true.....
....don't wipe the egg off your face.
It's an improvement.
ScienceRocks
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Contrary to media reports, "collusion" is mentioned in the US Code of Law
18 U.S. Code § 201 - Bribery of public officials and witnesses
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(B) to influence such public official or person who has been selected to be a public official to commit or aid in committing, or collude in, or allow, any fraud, or make opportunity for the commission of any fraud, on the United States; or
(C) to induce such public official or such person who has been selected to be a public official to do or omit to do any act in violation of the lawful duty of such official or person;
(2) being a public official or person selected to be a public official, directly or indirectly, corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally or for any other person or entity, in return for:
(A) being influenced in the performance of any official act;
(B) being influenced to commit or aid in committing, or to collude in, or allow, any fraud, or make opportunity for the commission of any fraud, on the United States; or
(C) being induced to do or omit to do any act in violation of the official duty of such official or person;
(3) directly or indirectly, corruptly gives, offers, or promises anything of value to any person, or offers or promises such person to give anything of value to any other person or entity, with intent to influence the testimony under oath or affirmation of such first-mentioned person as a witness upon a trial, hearing, or other proceeding, before any court, any committee of either House or both Houses of Congress, or any agency, commission, or officer authorized by the laws of the United States to hear evidence or take testimony, or with intent to influence such person to absent himself therefrom;
(4) directly or indirectly, corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally or for any other person or entity in return for being influenced in testimony under oath or affirmation as a witness upon any such trial, hearing, or other proceeding, or in return for absenting himself therefrom;
shall be fined under this title or not more than three times the monetary equivalent of the thing of value, whichever is greater, or imprisoned for not more than fifteen years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.
18 U.S. Code § 201 - Bribery of public officials and witnesses
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(B) to influence such public official or person who has been selected to be a public official to commit or aid in committing, or collude in, or allow, any fraud, or make opportunity for the commission of any fraud, on the United States; or
(C) to induce such public official or such person who has been selected to be a public official to do or omit to do any act in violation of the lawful duty of such official or person;
(2) being a public official or person selected to be a public official, directly or indirectly, corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally or for any other person or entity, in return for:
(A) being influenced in the performance of any official act;
(B) being influenced to commit or aid in committing, or to collude in, or allow, any fraud, or make opportunity for the commission of any fraud, on the United States; or
(C) being induced to do or omit to do any act in violation of the official duty of such official or person;
(3) directly or indirectly, corruptly gives, offers, or promises anything of value to any person, or offers or promises such person to give anything of value to any other person or entity, with intent to influence the testimony under oath or affirmation of such first-mentioned person as a witness upon a trial, hearing, or other proceeding, before any court, any committee of either House or both Houses of Congress, or any agency, commission, or officer authorized by the laws of the United States to hear evidence or take testimony, or with intent to influence such person to absent himself therefrom;
(4) directly or indirectly, corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally or for any other person or entity in return for being influenced in testimony under oath or affirmation as a witness upon any such trial, hearing, or other proceeding, or in return for absenting himself therefrom;
shall be fined under this title or not more than three times the monetary equivalent of the thing of value, whichever is greater, or imprisoned for not more than fifteen years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.
jc456
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I said that yesterday. Dershowitz was on 560 AM Chicago the Answer and made that statement. there is a podcast with his statement.
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Obama was a "Law Professor" and he thinks we have 57 states and never even heard of Judicial Review.
Bar is really set low there
Bar is really set low there
Ted Frazier
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No media reports have stated that "collusion" is the name of a crime.
Ted Frazier
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Dershowitz is a law professor and Trump lovers are having orgasms over him.
Billy_Kinetta
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The argument is academic, the post wishful thinking.
jc456
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Can you say OJ?
whitehall
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Wow they found 11 law professors who are willing to stretch legal hypothesis to the limit only during republican administrations.. What about the other 1.54 million professors in the U.S.?
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Dershowitz didn't say Trump can't obstruct justice. What he said is that ‘You Cannot Charge a President With Obstruction for Exercising His Constitutional Power’
All your post shows is that you're an idiot who doesn't pay attention.
Correction -- no evidence that has been made public.
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