DiamondDave
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And there are many current laws that are AGAINST the powers granted within the constitution.. which IS the PROBLEM
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And there are many current laws that are AGAINST the powers granted within the constitution.. which IS the PROBLEM
nodoginnafight
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"Provide for the general welfare"
You prefer a totalitarian regime where your preferences usurp the will of the people.
That is not going to happen in the U.S.
DiamondDave
Army Vet
Show the quote within the constitution.. it is that simple
DiamondDave
Army Vet
You do not get to end the phrase or section after a word on WHIM.. the rest of article 1 section 8 CONTINUES to define what it is for and what it is SPECIFICALLY limited to
you want to add to it.. amend it.. the problem is the government added because it wanted to under assumption, not amendment
DiamondDave
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Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
DiamondDave
Army Vet
stupid godamn big government lefties forget that it continues after the word welfare
nodoginnafight
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Provide for the general welfare
Totalitarians always want THEIR way -
Not in the U.S. - ain't happenin'
Totalitarians always want THEIR way -
Not in the U.S. - ain't happenin'
NYcarbineer
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And by the rule of law anyone with standing can challenge those laws in the courts. You're beating your head against a brick wall here;
your problem is that democratic government in the current United States of America doesn't advance your agenda, your personal beliefs, opinions, and preferences.
If that's a problem, it's your problem, not the country's problem.
DiamondDave
Army Vet
You do not just get to end it on a word in the middle of the phrasing because it suits you.. it was written and punctuated that way for a purpose
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That's what exists today and CON$ have no problem with it! If you can afford $100,000 a plate dinner then you cam meet with any elected official, including the president, no matter which Party. It is CON$ who cheered the unequal treatment money buys in politics ala Citizens United.
NYcarbineer
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I would think that under the circumstances the burden of proof would be with you to show where in the Constitution it says that the responsibility of the federal government is to act contrary to the will of the people.
DiamondDave
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Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,
Pretty self explanatory...
to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;
Notice the punctuation.. it CONTINUES
but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
The explanation stating that when it is done it is to be done uniform (as it is not now)... and notice the punctuation again... showing a list to follow
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
Now... the list has ended... it is very specific... and laid out in the power of the areas of which the taxes, duties, etc for the welfare of the United States (AKA the Union of the states)... when the framers meant the people or individuals, they happened to say so.. this is not the case in this section.. this is for the actual union and the interaction between the states.. you know.. those things that gave the government its power
Just because there has be power abuse and misuse by power hungry people within our government, does not mean it has been right or constitutional to do so.... the use of language and punctuation was important to educated people back then.. and it was chosen very carefully....
The federal government in more modern times, against amendment 10, assumed it had to power to grab power without the amendment process.. and people being pandered to and blind to the power grab went along with it... aiding the tyranny.. and the more it was done, the more they became blind to it... those people now think the constitution was just a guideline and means nothing in 'modern day'.... even though they and the government itself treats it like it means nothing, in actuality it is the end all be all for the limitation of a tyrannical governmental process... as your buddy franco would say.. you have been duped
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,
Pretty self explanatory...
to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;
Notice the punctuation.. it CONTINUES
but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
The explanation stating that when it is done it is to be done uniform (as it is not now)... and notice the punctuation again... showing a list to follow
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
Now... the list has ended... it is very specific... and laid out in the power of the areas of which the taxes, duties, etc for the welfare of the United States (AKA the Union of the states)... when the framers meant the people or individuals, they happened to say so.. this is not the case in this section.. this is for the actual union and the interaction between the states.. you know.. those things that gave the government its power
Just because there has be power abuse and misuse by power hungry people within our government, does not mean it has been right or constitutional to do so.... the use of language and punctuation was important to educated people back then.. and it was chosen very carefully....
The federal government in more modern times, against amendment 10, assumed it had to power to grab power without the amendment process.. and people being pandered to and blind to the power grab went along with it... aiding the tyranny.. and the more it was done, the more they became blind to it... those people now think the constitution was just a guideline and means nothing in 'modern day'.... even though they and the government itself treats it like it means nothing, in actuality it is the end all be all for the limitation of a tyrannical governmental process... as your buddy franco would say.. you have been duped
DiamondDave
Army Vet
Actually.. a dinner is not access to a service... and I am against the way funds are raised for elections.. and I would welcome reform
DiamondDave
Army Vet
The burden of proof would show where it was set up only to rule by the will of the majority.. the constitution in itself limits the republic to the rule of law... it limits the government very specifically.. and where the government is limited, all other things are left to the freedom of the states and the citizenry on their own to then take care of it outside of the federal government.. whether that be thru state or whatever other level of government, or thru the freedom of the people themselves
The constitution is a LIMITING document... not granting all other powers... it grants specific powers and reserves the rest for the states and individuals... the burden is to show the proof where within the limitations, the power is specifically granted to the federal government...
My proof is the fact that it is not listed within the granted powers
Skull Pilot
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So what?
BTW when I was working summers to save up tuition I never made just minimum wage and I never worked just one job. When I couldn't afford to pay for an entire semester I went part time.
Skull Pilot
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The bottom tax bracket is already at 10% so it's not a tax hike all we would be doing is not exempting anyone from the tax.
Skull Pilot
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People already have taxes taken out of their pay so there would be very little if any difference in their net pay.
Skull Pilot
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Subjective crap.
If we are going to tax income then everyone should pay the same per dollar earned just like everyone pays the same tax on every gallon of gasoline purchased.
NYcarbineer
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The Constitution is based on explicit and implied powers given to the Federal Government.
The actual exercise of those powers is based on laws enacted by the majority of the people's representatives.
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