100,000 people shot in the US per year! Good guy saving lives?

[KissMy]

I hope most of them were blacks killing blacks. No one cares. Especially the OP. Who, is thoroughly owned in his own thread.

You the fool:

CDC Study - “In 2010, incidents in the U.S. involving firearms injured or killed more than 105,000 Americans, of which there were twice as many nonfatal firearm-related injuries (73,505) than deaths.”

 

[Theowl32]

I hope most of them were blacks killing blacks. No one cares. Especially the OP. Who, is thoroughly owned in his own thread.

You the fool:

CDC Study - “In 2010, incidents in the U.S. involving firearms injured or killed more than 105,000 Americans, of which there were twice as many nonfatal firearm-related injuries (73,505) than deaths.”

I the fool.

You the fool.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Another liberal trying to divert attention from the left's obscene refusal to support car control. Over 32,000 people are killed in car accidents each year, and another 2 to 3 million people are injured in car accidents each year--in 2015 alone, about 2.3 million people suffered "serious injuries" in car accidents.

Let me guess: This is the price we have to pay for the "right" to own and drive cars, right?

U.S. Traffic Deaths, Injuries and Related Costs Up in 2015

https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/812318

https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/812246

 

[2aguy]

And because nowhere in the constitution does it say that conviction of a felony means you lose you right to bear arms, the day you are released from prison you are given your guns back, preferably cleaned and well oiled and ready for use.

According to this Repubtard it was good to give the violent criminal record Texas Church Shooter as many guns & bullets as he wanted.

No.....that is on your god....the government....your god failed to press "send" when it was time to transmit his criminal record to the FBI.....because had the clerk pressed "send" he wouldn't have been able to buy 4 guns legally....

Does not matter that the military screwed up again & failed to keep those people safe. Because Repubtards believe ISIS, criminals & mental defects should be armed.

Yeah...except they don't...in fact, the republicans are the ones who believe that violent gun criminals should go to jail.....for ever......and people like you keep letting them back out...that is the problem...not law abiding gun owners.

 

[2aguy]

Killing people is not the only use for an AR style rifle. I used one for several years hunting coyote.

They sure are effective killing many really fast.

Then why is it rifles of any kind are used in less than 2% of all murders?

Tell that to the dead at Vegas.

That was the cops...they didn't go into that room until 72 minutes after the shooting started......

Love how Trump praised those "brave cops" who failed at every turn. They are sure good at demanding tax money & demanding everyone salute the flag! Cab drivers are braver than cops.

And this is also why we have the crime rate we have.....morons like you attack the police, and let violent criminals go.....Britain is finding that this strategy leads to more violence...it is not a winning formula...

 

[2aguy]

Sounds like a Saturday in Chicago.

More Fake Trump / Fox News! - Chicago doesn't even rank in the top 15 large cities gun murder rate.

And, of course, the majority of all of those cities are all run by democrats....that is the important point......and also why they have high crime rates and high gun crime rates....

 

[2aguy]

Sounds like a Saturday in Chicago.

More Fake Trump / Fox News! - Chicago doesn't even rank in the top 15 large cities gun murder rate.

I like how they talk about Chicago, and New Orleans.....both have been controlled by democrats for generations.....

 

[2aguy]

Another liberal trying to divert attention from the left's obscene refusal to support car control. Over 32,000 people are killed in car accidents each year, and another 2 to 3 million people are injured in car accidents each year--in 2015 alone, about 2.3 million people suffered "serious injuries" in car accidents.

Let me guess: This is the price we have to pay for the "right" to own and drive cars, right?

U.S. Traffic Deaths, Injuries and Related Costs Up in 2015

https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/812318

https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/812246

Yes.....only the police and military need full size cars....everyone else should have a "car limit," that is essentially the size of a smart car.......with a governor on it to keep their speed down to 20 miles an hour......a "High Speed Car" is unnecessary for civilian use........

 

[2aguy]

Sounds like a Saturday in Chicago.

More Fake Trump / Fox News! - Chicago doesn't even rank in the top 15 large cities gun murder rate.

2015? Wow what an overly bias setup..

The Trace is run and setup by Michael Bloomberg.

Better find a better source for your overly biased far left religious content!

Again...the majority of those cities are run by democrats...notice a pattern here?

 

[2aguy]

NO ONE is calling for the banning of ALL guns....our country is too invested in the macho image......BUT, sane folks SHOULD call for the banning of military-style, assault weapons with extensive ammo clips whose ONLY purpose is to kill as many people as possible in the shortest number of minutes.....

All that you gun nuts are doing is FACILITATING murderous wackos' jobs for them.

As who grew up in no guns country, we say ban all....we know what's it like to live in peace.

And we Americans don't care what you foreigners think

I'm American and it bothers that Americans lose their loves by the thousands.

Yes.....and the reason they are losing loved ones, in particular......of the 9,616 gun deaths in 2015, 70-80% of the victims are criminals, engaged in crime and the criminal life style, and the other victims...large numbers are caught up in that lifestyle because of friends and family.........

And I agree with your unstated point...we need to lock up violent gun criminals if we want to stop gun murder.....taking guns away from people who don't use them for crime or murder is stupid......locking up actual violent criminals is how you lower the crime rate.

 

[2aguy]

NO ONE is calling for the banning of ALL guns....our country is too invested in the macho image......BUT, sane folks SHOULD call for the banning of military-style, assault weapons with extensive ammo clips whose ONLY purpose is to kill as many people as possible in the shortest number of minutes.....

All that you gun nuts are doing is FACILITATING murderous wackos' jobs for them.

As who grew up in no guns country, we say ban all....we know what's it like to live in peace.

What country would that be?

Morocco baby gun free, lived there for 23 Yeats 0 mass shootings and our news have 0 gun crimes or killed people due to guns. Last incident was gang related 1 killed and the gangsters from Holland of Dominican origins were arreted few hours later. And people still in shock there was a gun in the country LOL

Yes....but luck isn't an effective policy....since it would be very easy for criminals to use guns in Morroco if they wanted to use them.......you are lucky, you are not protected by gun control laws....

 

[2aguy]

‘So think about 10 or 15 people, who are weekend shooters with limited tactical training, deciding to shoot it out with a criminal in a crowded office holiday party, a medical clinic or a darkened theater, while people are screaming and running, and no one knows who or how many of the people shooting are the “good guys” and how many of them are the “bad guys.”

In some cases, can a “good guy” with a gun neutralize the threat and help save lives? Absolutely. But it doesn’t happen very often. It is, for the most part, a myth perpetuated by people who’ve never been shot at.

I am a proud Navy combat veteran. I risked and nearly gave my life in dozens of combat situations in defense of our Constitution. I value the Second Amendment and the right of responsible Americans to own guns for self-defense.

But people need to know that it is a fallacy to believe that the everyday gun owner can be expected to make all the right choices in a dangerous, fast-moving situation like a mass shooting with high-powered weapons.’

The 'good guy with a gun' myth

Citizens have the right to carry concealed firearms pursuant to lawful self-defense – not to act in the capacity of ‘law enforcement,’ or to otherwise ‘fight crime.’

‘Good guy with a gun’ is in fact a ridiculous rightwing myth.

No...actual research shows that Americans use their guns to stop violent criminal attack 1,500,000 times a year, and they are not Delta Force operators.....the reason more people don't stop more mass public shootings is that almost every target of a mass public shooting is a legally mandated gun free zone....which means, genius.....that the good guys can't bring their guns with them......just like the church, the orlando nightclub, Sandy Hook....and on and on.....while places that have had armed good guys have actually stopped mass public shootings...

And the myth is that good guys will act like law enforcement ..... we have already seen this in several mass public shootings, most recently in the Walmart shooting...the guy walked in, murdered 2 people and left, the concealed carriers in he store simply drew their guns and hunkered down until the police arrived......we saw this in the Dallas protest march where civilians, many with AR-15 civilian rifles and pistols....got out of the way once the black lives matter sympathizer started shooting at police......

You are not truthful, and have no clue what you are talking about....

 

[Baron]

Without the Second Amendments liberals will murder at least hundred times more annually.

WOW, what a "brilliant" asshole and his erudite contribution.....Congrats, moron LOL

Yep, only with Second Amendment we are free, without it commies have already finished us.
Just for remembrance millions of plastic coffins and FEMA camps made and purposed for what?

 

[2aguy]

‘So think about 10 or 15 people, who are weekend shooters with limited tactical training, deciding to shoot it out with a criminal in a crowded office holiday party, a medical clinic or a darkened theater, while people are screaming and running, and no one knows who or how many of the people shooting are the “good guys” and how many of them are the “bad guys.”

In some cases, can a “good guy” with a gun neutralize the threat and help save lives? Absolutely. But it doesn’t happen very often. It is, for the most part, a myth perpetuated by people who’ve never been shot at.

I am a proud Navy combat veteran. I risked and nearly gave my life in dozens of combat situations in defense of our Constitution. I value the Second Amendment and the right of responsible Americans to own guns for self-defense.

But people need to know that it is a fallacy to believe that the everyday gun owner can be expected to make all the right choices in a dangerous, fast-moving situation like a mass shooting with high-powered weapons.’

The 'good guy with a gun' myth

Citizens have the right to carry concealed firearms pursuant to lawful self-defense – not to act in the capacity of ‘law enforcement,’ or to otherwise ‘fight crime.’

‘Good guy with a gun’ is in fact a ridiculous rightwing myth.

Yes.....defensive gun use isn't a myth, it is a reality...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

Here you have the name of who created the study, the year and the number of defensive gun uses that were found in the study.....


GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[initforme]

Why are some trying to fight this? Some people thought prohibition was somehow good for our society. They had no basis for their stance. Some of you actually think some drugs are bad so you want to keep them illegal because its somehow better for society. Your stand has no basis and that opinion is wrong. Same for guns. They are everywhere and people!e want them. As a country this has already been decided. The same should app!y to drugs as well. If you disagree you are a hypocrite.

 

[KissMy]

Sounds like a Saturday in Chicago.

More Fake Trump / Fox News! - Chicago doesn't even rank in the top 15 large cities gun murder rate.

I like how they talk about Chicago, and New Orleans.....both have been controlled by democrats for generations.....

Trump & Fox News talk about Chicago every day!

Here in St Louis we have for 15 years allowed anyone except mental ill & non-violent criminal to CCW anywhere. We have 7.5 times more people shot than Chicago. We have more police per capita of any city in the USA except D.C. & we have 3rd highest crime rate.

More Police & Guns do not make less crime! They just empty your pockets faster & increase crime!

 

[2aguy]

Sounds like a Saturday in Chicago.

More Fake Trump / Fox News! - Chicago doesn't even rank in the top 15 large cities gun murder rate.

I like how they talk about Chicago, and New Orleans.....both have been controlled by democrats for generations.....

Trump & Fox News talk about Chicago every day!

Here in St Louis we have for 15 years allowed anyone except mental ill & non-violent criminal to CCW anywhere. We have 7.5 times more people shot than Chicago. We have more police per capita of any city in the USA except D.C. & we have 3rd highest crime rate.

Yeah...again...democrat policies.....

So you are saying that law abiding gun owners carrying guns for self defense is driving your gun murder rate? That is what you are spewing....?

How about the truth....a lack of police, politically correct crap attacking the cops...that is what drives the crime rate there...

Rise in Murders Has St. Louis Debating Why

Jennifer M. Joyce, the city’s circuit attorney, or prosecutor, an elected position, complains that in St. Louis, the illegal possession of a gun is too often “a crime without a consequence,” making it difficult to stop confrontation from turning lethal.

At the same time, deeper social roots of violence such as addiction and unemployment continue unchecked. And city officials also cite what they call a “Ferguson effect,” an increase in crime last year as police officers were diverted to control protests after a white officer shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager in the nearby suburb on Aug. 9.

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Now, an overstretched department is forced to pick one neighborhood at a time to flood with officers. Last month, Chief Dotson even asked the state highway patrol if it could lend a dozen men to help watch downtown streets; the agency declined.
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City officials are calling for the hiring of 160 more officers, with a special effort to bring more minority officers onto a 1,255-member force that is 35 percent black. In 2012, with crime in apparent decline, the city let the police force shrink by 80 officers.

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When the police discover a gun in a car with several passengers, including some with felony records, but no one admits to owning the gun, criminal charges are often impossible, Mr. Rosenfeld said.

In addition, according to a 2014 study by Mr. Rosenfeld and his colleagues, a majority of those who are convicted of illegally possessing a gun but not caught using it in a crime receive probation rather than jail time. Gun laws and enforcement are stiffer in many other cities.

 

[SSGT Bags]

The AR-15 is the most popular civilian self defense rifle...it is not and has never been a military rifle....

Give it a rest, penis-extension-boy....

“Our father, Eugene Stoner, designed the AR-15 and subsequent M-16 as a military weapon to give our soldiers an advantage over the AK-47,” the Stoner family told NBC News. ...

AR-15 Inventor's Family: This Was Meant to Be a Military Weapon

What is the difference between an AR-15 and the rifle below?

Wooden stock?

 

[2aguy]

Sounds like a Saturday in Chicago.

More Fake Trump / Fox News! - Chicago doesn't even rank in the top 15 large cities gun murder rate.

I like how they talk about Chicago, and New Orleans.....both have been controlled by democrats for generations.....

Trump & Fox News talk about Chicago every day!

Here in St Louis we have for 15 years allowed anyone except mental ill & non-violent criminal to CCW anywhere. We have 7.5 times more people shot than Chicago. We have more police per capita of any city in the USA except D.C. & we have 3rd highest crime rate.

More Police & Guns do not make less crime! They just empty your pockets faster & increase crime!

You don't lower the gun crime rate by focusing on law abiding guns owners....you lower the gun crime rate by focusing on actual gun criminals...notice how Kansas city is mentioned in the article I cite....

Besides focusing on guns, Ms. Joyce hopes to duplicate a much-praised program of the Manhattan district attorney, which tracks the most violent individuals and tries to make sure that, when they are picked up even for minor violations, they receive special attention from prosecutors.

Police officials, Ms. Joyce and others plan to visit Kansas City next month to look at the city’s “focused deterrence” policing initiative, which some say has helped to drive down the murder rate there. That approach, used with promising results in several cities, aims to identify the individuals most responsible for violence and confront them, promising intense police scrutiny and tenacious prosecution if they continue.

 

[nat4900]

Its INEVITABLE.........Tell gun-nuts that the sale of military-style weapons should be drastically curtailed.......and they stupidly revert to "ARE YOU TRYING TO TAKE ALL MY GUNS AWAY???'

Americans are DOOMED to continue with these mass shootings with crazy bastards trying to outdo previous crazy bastards' number of dead.