10% of Small Business Plan to Drop Coverage After Obaminationcare is Implemented!!!

[OohPooPahDoo]

Also, no one will be allowed to just drop their insurance.
One of the new KGB....oops, I mean IRS agents hired to enforce your participation will see to that.

That's not even true. You can drop it whenever you like. You'll just have to pay the tax penalty.

And if you are over 70 and need knee or hip replacement, heart surgery, cancer treatment, or any other costly procedure, get ready to get a cane, wheelchair or pain pills instead. Along with your "end of life"counciling counciling.
Remember, senior citizens and the elderly are on the costly end of health care and they need to cut Social Securitythe to fund Obamacare.

That's not what end of life counseling does, and Social Security doesn't fund health care nor is it being cut to fund anything.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Also, no one will be allowed to just drop their insurance.
One of the new KGB....oops, I mean IRS agents hired to enforce your participation will see to that.

And if you are over 70 and need knee or hip replacement, heart surgery, cancer treatment, or any other costly procedure, get ready to get a cane, wheelchair or pain pills instead. Along with your "end of life"counciling counciling.
Remember, senior citizens and the elderly are on the costly end of health care and they need to cut Social Securitythe to fund Obamacare.

Whaaahhh! Those people running the death panels are gonna kill granny, I swear to you they will.

And that's not all. Read this being you have such a strong stomach.

Bill Text - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

It's called the: Communities of Color Teenage Pregnancy Prevention Act of 2011 (Introduced in Senate - IS)

" (a) In General- The Secretary shall award competitive grants to eligible entities for establishing or expanding programs to provide youth in racial or ethnic minority or immigrant communities the information and skills needed to avoid teen pregnancy and develop healthy relationships."

(1) proposing to carry out programs in racial or ethnic minority or immigrant communities;

(2) that have a demonstrated history of effectively working with such targeted communities; or

(3) that have a demonstrated history of engaging in a meaningful and significant partnership with such targeted communities

(b) Priority- In awarding grants under this section, the Secretary shall give priority to applicants proposing to carry out campaigns developed for racial or ethnic minority or immigrant communities

(i) racial and ethnic group, including Hispanic, Asian, African-American, Pacific Islander, American Indian, and Alaskan Native;

`(ii) socioeconomic status, taking into account income of the family and education attainment;

sounds awesome

 

[midcan5]

'The sky is falling, the sky is falling.' Henny Penny http://www.usmessageboard.com/healthcare-insurance-govt-healthcare/235883-a-moral-question.html

 

[Full-Auto]

Also, no one will be allowed to just drop their insurance.
One of the new KGB....oops, I mean IRS agents hired to enforce your participation will see to that.

And if you are over 70 and need knee or hip replacement, heart surgery, cancer treatment, or any other costly procedure, get ready to get a cane, wheelchair or pain pills instead. Along with your "end of life"counciling counciling.
Remember, senior citizens and the elderly are on the costly end of health care and they need to cut Social Securitythe to fund Obamacare.

Whaaahhh! Those people running the death panels are gonna kill granny, I swear to you they will.

Are you suggesting the government will not impose restrictions on the treatment you can receive at a certain age?

 

[hwyangel]

It's not a fee, it's a tax. People can "opt out" of paying their taxes without penalties.

Enter "The complete lives system" in your web browser and read it for yourself.

 

[daveman]

" All Food and Drug Administration approved contraceptive methods, sterilization procedures,and patient education and counseling for all women with reproductive capacity."

Women's Preventive Services: Required Health Plan Coverage Guidelines



SEC. 714. STANDARDS RELATING TO BENEFITS FOR CONTRACEPTIVES.
Bill Text - 110th Congress (2007-2008) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Contraceptive mandate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I didn't say the law didn't require health insurance to provide birth control pills, I said it didn't require them to provide abortifacients.

No it doesn't.

See?

You're wrong. She's right.

This guide gives the basic facts about the different kinds of FDA-approved
medicines and devices for birth control. Ask your doctor to tell you about all
of the risks and benefits of using these products.

--

Emergency Contraception (Plan B, Plan B One-Step, Next Choice, Ella)
May be used if you do not use birth control or if your regular birth control fails.
It should not be used as a regular form of birth control
Emergency Contraceptives
“The Morning After Pill”
What is it?
•  These are pills with hormones similar to other oral
contraceptives.
•  You can use these after you have unprotected sex
(did not use birth control).
•  You can also use these if your birth control did not
work (the condom broke or slipped).
•  You can take emergency contraception if you missed
some of your regular birth control pills.
How does it work?
•  It is thought to work by stopping or delaying the release of an egg from the
ovary. It may also stop an egg from attaching (implanting to the uterus).
•  You must swallow the pills within three to five days of having unprotected sex.
•  For the best chance for it to work, you should start taking the pill(s) as soon as
possible after unprotected sex.
How do I get it?
•  You can buy Plan B (two pills taken 12 hours apart) Plan B One-Step (one pill)
over the counter if you are 17 years or older.  If you are younger than 17, you
need a prescription.
•  You need a prescription to get Ella, the newest pill for emergency
contraception.
Chance of getting pregnant
(Number of pregnancies expected per 100 women who use this method for one year)
•  This method reduces the risk of pregnancy, resulting from a single act of
unprotected sex by almost 85 percent, if you take it within five days of
unprotected sex.  The sooner you take it, the better the chance of working.
Some Risks
•  Nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, fatigue and headache.
Does it protect me from sexually transmitted infections (STIs)? No.

2011 Page 16​

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/ForConsumers/ByAudience/ForWomen/FreePublications/UCM282014.pdf

Ooopy, pretending this post (you know, the one that proves you wrong) doesn't exist really doesn't make it stop existing.

 

[rightwinger]

Also, no one will be allowed to just drop their insurance.
One of the new KGB....oops, I mean IRS agents hired to enforce your participation will see to that.

And if you are over 70 and need knee or hip replacement, heart surgery, cancer treatment, or any other costly procedure, get ready to get a cane, wheelchair or pain pills instead. Along with your "end of life"counciling counciling.
Remember, senior citizens and the elderly are on the costly end of health care and they need to cut Social Securitythe to fund Obamacare.

Whaaahhh! Those people running the death panels are gonna kill granny, I swear to you they will.

Are you suggesting the government will not impose restrictions on the treatment you can receive at a certain age?

Actually, no, they won't

 

[daveman]

Whaaahhh! Those people running the death panels are gonna kill granny, I swear to you they will.

Are you suggesting the government will not impose restrictions on the treatment you can receive at a certain age?

Actually, no, they won't

 

[rightwinger]

Are you suggesting the government will not impose restrictions on the treatment you can receive at a certain age?

Actually, no, they won't

In a system controlled by insurance companies, by what mechanism would government be the one making those decisions?
Can you point to the specific section of Obamacare that restricts treatment based on age?

Must be in there......you wouldn't be such an asshole otherwise

 

[ItsjustmeIthink]

I didn't say the law didn't require health insurance to provide birth control pills, I said it didn't require them to provide abortifacients.



See?

You're wrong. She's right.

This guide gives the basic facts about the different kinds of FDA-approved
medicines and devices for birth control. Ask your doctor to tell you about all
of the risks and benefits of using these products.

--

Emergency Contraception (Plan B, Plan B One-Step, Next Choice, Ella)
May be used if you do not use birth control or if your regular birth control fails.
It should not be used as a regular form of birth control
Emergency Contraceptives
“The Morning After Pill”
What is it?
•  These are pills with hormones similar to other oral
contraceptives.
•  You can use these after you have unprotected sex
(did not use birth control).
•  You can also use these if your birth control did not
work (the condom broke or slipped).
•  You can take emergency contraception if you missed
some of your regular birth control pills.
How does it work?
•  It is thought to work by stopping or delaying the release of an egg from the
ovary. It may also stop an egg from attaching (implanting to the uterus).
•  You must swallow the pills within three to five days of having unprotected sex.
•  For the best chance for it to work, you should start taking the pill(s) as soon as
possible after unprotected sex.
How do I get it?
•  You can buy Plan B (two pills taken 12 hours apart) Plan B One-Step (one pill)
over the counter if you are 17 years or older.  If you are younger than 17, you
need a prescription.
•  You need a prescription to get Ella, the newest pill for emergency
contraception.
Chance of getting pregnant
(Number of pregnancies expected per 100 women who use this method for one year)
•  This method reduces the risk of pregnancy, resulting from a single act of
unprotected sex by almost 85 percent, if you take it within five days of
unprotected sex.  The sooner you take it, the better the chance of working.
Some Risks
•  Nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, fatigue and headache.
Does it protect me from sexually transmitted infections (STIs)? No.

2011 Page 16​

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/ForConsumers/ByAudience/ForWomen/FreePublications/UCM282014.pdf

Ooopy, pretending this post (you know, the one that proves you wrong) doesn't exist really doesn't make it stop existing.

Question: What's wrong with any of those?

 

[hwyangel]

Actually, no, they won't

In a system controlled by insurance companies, by what mechanism would government be the one making those decisions?
Can you point to the specific section of Obamacare that restricts treatment based on age?

Must be in there......you wouldn't be such an asshole otherwise

Not "specific" but no less real.

ObamaCare empowers the government U.S. Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) to determine which preventive health services are medically appropriate. This is the same agency that aroused enormous controversy in 2009 when it proposed restricting screening mammograms to women over age 50 (and only every 2 years),despite the proven benefits of annual mammograms beginning at age 40.
The USPSTF aroused similar controversy by giving a “D” grade (“not recommended”) to routine PSA prostate cancer screening. Usually recommended for men over 50.

Similarly,private health insurance companies must cover for “free” all USPSTF “A” or “B” rated services, while abiding by government price controls. To reduce costs,many private insurers will likely drop coverage for “C” and “D” rated services. Hence under ObamaCare,the USPSTF guidelines will likely become the de facto standards for both government and private health insurance coverage.
ObamaCare includes various financial carrots and sticks to pressure doctors into joining large “Accountable Care Organizations” (ACOs). These ACOs will use mandatory electronic medical records to track how closely physicians adhere to government practice guidelines. Doctors who obey government practice guidelines will be rewarded. Those who order more tests or procedures than the government deems necessary will be penalized.
ACO physicians may thus be reluctant to recommend PSA screening even when the patient is willing to pay for it himself. Patients who test positive will require further downstream procedures such as prostate ultrasounds,MRI scans,or biopsies, which may count against the doctor’s ACO practice statistics. USPSTF guidelines could slowly erode many doctors’willingness to offer their best honest advice to their patients.

 

[daveman]

Actually, no, they won't

In a system controlled by insurance companies, by what mechanism would government be the one making those decisions?
Can you point to the specific section of Obamacare that restricts treatment based on age?

Must be in there......you wouldn't be such an asshole otherwise

We're discussing the desired end-state: Government takeover of the healthcare industry.

If that happens, yes, the government will be deciding who lives and who dies. It's inarguable.

 

[daveman]

You're wrong. She's right.

This guide gives the basic facts about the different kinds of FDA-approved
medicines and devices for birth control. Ask your doctor to tell you about all
of the risks and benefits of using these products.

--

Emergency Contraception (Plan B, Plan B One-Step, Next Choice, Ella)
May be used if you do not use birth control or if your regular birth control fails.
It should not be used as a regular form of birth control
Emergency Contraceptives
“The Morning After Pill”
What is it?
•  These are pills with hormones similar to other oral
contraceptives.
•  You can use these after you have unprotected sex
(did not use birth control).
•  You can also use these if your birth control did not
work (the condom broke or slipped).
•  You can take emergency contraception if you missed
some of your regular birth control pills.
How does it work?
•  It is thought to work by stopping or delaying the release of an egg from the
ovary. It may also stop an egg from attaching (implanting to the uterus).
•  You must swallow the pills within three to five days of having unprotected sex.
•  For the best chance for it to work, you should start taking the pill(s) as soon as
possible after unprotected sex.
How do I get it?
•  You can buy Plan B (two pills taken 12 hours apart) Plan B One-Step (one pill)
over the counter if you are 17 years or older.  If you are younger than 17, you
need a prescription.
•  You need a prescription to get Ella, the newest pill for emergency
contraception.
Chance of getting pregnant
(Number of pregnancies expected per 100 women who use this method for one year)
•  This method reduces the risk of pregnancy, resulting from a single act of
unprotected sex by almost 85 percent, if you take it within five days of
unprotected sex.  The sooner you take it, the better the chance of working.
Some Risks
•  Nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, fatigue and headache.
Does it protect me from sexually transmitted infections (STIs)? No.

2011 Page 16​

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/ForConsumers/ByAudience/ForWomen/FreePublications/UCM282014.pdf

Ooopy, pretending this post (you know, the one that proves you wrong) doesn't exist really doesn't make it stop existing.

Question: What's wrong with any of those?

I'm not making a value judgement.

Oopy said insurers are not required to provide abortifacients.

The law says they are.

 

[rightwinger]

In a system controlled by insurance companies, by what mechanism would government be the one making those decisions?
Can you point to the specific section of Obamacare that restricts treatment based on age?

Must be in there......you wouldn't be such an asshole otherwise

We're discussing the desired end-state: Government takeover of the healthcare industry.

If that happens, yes, the government will be deciding who lives and who dies. It's inarguable.

So your post is just rightwing fantasy......just what I thought

 

[rightwinger]

In a system controlled by insurance companies, by what mechanism would government be the one making those decisions?
Can you point to the specific section of Obamacare that restricts treatment based on age?

Must be in there......you wouldn't be such an asshole otherwise

Not "specific" but no less real.

ObamaCare empowers the government U.S. Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) to determine which preventive health services are medically appropriate. This is the same agency that aroused enormous controversy in 2009 when it proposed restricting screening mammograms to women over age 50 (and only every 2 years),despite the proven benefits of annual mammograms beginning at age 40.
The USPSTF aroused similar controversy by giving a “D” grade (“not recommended”) to routine PSA prostate cancer screening. Usually recommended for men over 50.

Similarly,private health insurance companies must cover for “free” all USPSTF “A” or “B” rated services, while abiding by government price controls. To reduce costs,many private insurers will likely drop coverage for “C” and “D” rated services. Hence under ObamaCare,the USPSTF guidelines will likely become the de facto standards for both government and private health insurance coverage.
ObamaCare includes various financial carrots and sticks to pressure doctors into joining large “Accountable Care Organizations” (ACOs). These ACOs will use mandatory electronic medical records to track how closely physicians adhere to government practice guidelines. Doctors who obey government practice guidelines will be rewarded. Those who order more tests or procedures than the government deems necessary will be penalized.
ACO physicians may thus be reluctant to recommend PSA screening even when the patient is willing to pay for it himself. Patients who test positive will require further downstream procedures such as prostate ultrasounds,MRI scans,or biopsies, which may count against the doctor’s ACO practice statistics. USPSTF guidelines could slowly erode many doctors’willingness to offer their best honest advice to their patients.

Decisions are still made by the insurance company. I don't see why you have such a fear of the evil gubmint while meekly submitting to the whims of your profit hungry insurance company

 

[hwyangel]

In a system controlled by insurance companies, by what mechanism would government be the one making those decisions?
Can you point to the specific section of Obamacare that restricts treatment based on age?

Must be in there......you wouldn't be such an asshole otherwise

Not "specific" but no less real.

ObamaCare empowers the government U.S. Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) to determine which preventive health services are medically appropriate. This is the same agency that aroused enormous controversy in 2009 when it proposed restricting screening mammograms to women over age 50 (and only every 2 years),despite the proven benefits of annual mammograms beginning at age 40.
The USPSTF aroused similar controversy by giving a “D” grade (“not recommended”) to routine PSA prostate cancer screening. Usually recommended for men over 50.

Similarly,private health insurance companies must cover for “free” all USPSTF “A” or “B” rated services, while abiding by government price controls. To reduce costs,many private insurers will likely drop coverage for “C” and “D” rated services. Hence under ObamaCare,the USPSTF guidelines will likely become the de facto standards for both government and private health insurance coverage.
ObamaCare includes various financial carrots and sticks to pressure doctors into joining large “Accountable Care Organizations” (ACOs). These ACOs will use mandatory electronic medical records to track how closely physicians adhere to government practice guidelines. Doctors who obey government practice guidelines will be rewarded. Those who order more tests or procedures than the government deems necessary will be penalized.
ACO physicians may thus be reluctant to recommend PSA screening even when the patient is willing to pay for it himself. Patients who test positive will require further downstream procedures such as prostate ultrasounds,MRI scans,or biopsies, which may count against the doctor’s ACO practice statistics. USPSTF guidelines could slowly erode many doctors’willingness to offer their best honest advice to their patients.

Decisions are still made by the insurance company. I don't see why you have such a fear of the evil gubmint while meekly submitting to the whims of your profit hungry insurance company

I like the freedom of deciding how to spend my own money and really don't want to spend it in tax penalties for insurance that I don't want or even qualify for it because I work. If I want something I pay cash.

 

[daveman]

In a system controlled by insurance companies, by what mechanism would government be the one making those decisions?
Can you point to the specific section of Obamacare that restricts treatment based on age?

Must be in there......you wouldn't be such an asshole otherwise

We're discussing the desired end-state: Government takeover of the healthcare industry.

If that happens, yes, the government will be deciding who lives and who dies. It's inarguable.

So your post is just rightwing fantasy......just what I thought

I'm sure it comforts you to feel that way.

When the government runs healthcare, government decides who lives and who dies.

Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year | Mail Online

 

[onecut39]

Government caused it and now you think govt is going to make it better. Are you allowed to be use a fork without supervision?

Wouldn't that be great?

All those people losing their insurance would have the OPTION of selecting a government sponsored health plan

I guess the Obama lies will keep piling up.
Remember when he said if you like your plan
you can keep it?
Anyone besides me remember that?

Aand that is still true.

 

[onecut39]

Also, no one will be allowed to just drop their insurance.
One of the new KGB....oops, I mean IRS agents hired to enforce your participation will see to that.

And if you are over 70 and need knee or hip replacement, heart surgery, cancer treatment, or any other costly procedure, get ready to get a cane, wheelchair or pain pills instead. Along with your "end of life"counciling counciling.
Remember, senior citizens and the elderly are on the costly end of health care and they need to cut Social Securitythe to fund Obamacare.

Whaaahhh! Those people running the death panels are gonna kill granny, I swear to you they will.

Are you suggesting the government will not impose restrictions on the treatment you can receive at a certain age?

Based on history that would be a safe assumption You base your statement on what?.

 

[onecut39]

Nothing new here..... this was predicted when it was first proposed.
As they say, nothing personal, it is just business.
When a business looks at the bottom line, and it is hundreds of dollars cheaper to pay the fine per employee for not having health insurance than providing coverage for those employees. Guess which one the business will choose. Especially in tough economic times. I even remember some arguing that the fine should be higher than the cost of insurance to prevent this from happening.

What makes you think these employers are providing health care now? I don't know of anyone who any longer "provides" health care. The employee is paying an increasing percentage of the premium.