1 mil dead, 4.5 mill displaced, 2 mill widows & 5 mill orphans

[sealybobo]

What you think are facts are not facts. You know only what the mainstream media has told you. You disregard all the rest, much of it is fact.

Yes, we should listen to YOU sealybobo. YOU know the real truth. You are the one with millions of dollars at your disposal to spend on the best investigative journalists in the world. Yes, YOU know best.

Well some of us seem to get what is real news and what is Fox/Rush type news.

You know how you can tell? If I tell you that Europe thinks the US....and your reply is FUCK WHAT EUROPE THINKS, then you are probably brainwashed into only listening to one side of the story.

You guys even assume/suggest that our media is as bad as your media. Rachel Maddow talks about truth. Olbermann, maybe anti GOP, but factual. Rush, spin. O'Reilly, insane, Hannity, LIAR, and new is nut bag Glenn Beck. All truly insane.

 

[sealybobo]

There are about 10,000 oil concessions available to the Oil Barons in the US, however,
the Barons are not drilling on them. The talk about off-shore drilling is a "red
herring" to distract the public's attention from the fact that the Oil Barons are about
to get the Iraqis' oil through no-bid contracts. Iraqis will not get control of their
oil wealth.


Blood for Oil Wealth: Next on the Oil Goliaths' menu is Iran's oil & gas wealth...while
the taxpayers' subsidize the Oil Barons with tax breaks, Pentagon protection and their
children's lives or lost limbs..


Deals <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/world/middleeast/19iraq.html?hp> With Iraq Are
Set to Bring Oil Giants Back - NYTimes.com


Four Western oil companies are in talks with Iraq's Oil Ministry for no-bid contracts to
service the country's largest fields.
www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/world/middleeast/19iraq.html?hp - 18 hours ago -
<related:www.nytimes.com/2008/06/ - Google Search...
t/19iraq.html?hp> Similar pages

 

[Godboy]

Well some of us seem to get what is real news and what is Fox/Rush type news.

Well, if Fox news is as unreliable as you claim, certainly you can give me 20 examples of news stories Fox lied about in 2008.

In my opinion, Fox probably didnt broadcast any story that CNN and every other major network wasnt already covering themselves, but ill give you a chance to prove me wrong. Ill be waiting.....

 

[Care4all]

Iraq's Shocking Human Toll: About 1 Million Killed, 4.5 Million Displaced, 1-2 Million Widows, 5 Million Orphans


Now that Bush is gone, perhaps we can honestly face the damage we have wrought and the responsibilities we must accept from it.

Iraq's Shocking Human Toll: About 1 Million Killed, 4.5 Million Displaced, 1-2 Million Widows, 5 Million Orphans | War on Iraq | AlterNet

There is absolutely no evidence that 1 million Iraqis have died due to the war. NONE, not one credible source. But hey keep making ignorant claims you are so good at it.

I do think that it is possible these numbers are part of a negative propaganda scheme from people with an agenda, and i am not speaking of Alternet....but something on the line of the propaganda put out there by the UN on israel and the killing 40 people within a school type thing, only later to find out that it was not true.

On the other hand.....Do you know if there is any legitimate source out there that does have accurate figures?

And why would we not have these figures like we did in vietnam?

Why wouldn't our military keep these figures....they seem like they would be pretty important when analyzing our accomplishments and how the war is going?

It seems abnormal to not have estimates of these figures at our fingertips or being reported on weekly?

Is this a new strategy on purpose to desensitize the American people with war and the killing that takes place on those you are at war with in addition to our own? Was this the purpose of not keeping track?

so many unanswered questions lead to speculation....and here lies the problem, imho.
care

 

[Godboy]

There are about 10,000 oil concessions available to the Oil Barons in the US, however,
the Barons are not drilling on them. The talk about off-shore drilling is a "red
herring" to distract the public's attention from the fact that the Oil Barons are about
to get the Iraqis' oil through no-bid contracts. Iraqis will not get control of their
oil wealth.


Blood for Oil Wealth: Next on the Oil Goliaths' menu is Iran's oil & gas wealth...while
the taxpayers' subsidize the Oil Barons with tax breaks, Pentagon protection and their
children's lives or lost limbs..


Deals <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/world/middleeast/19iraq.html?hp> With Iraq Are
Set to Bring Oil Giants Back - NYTimes.com


Four Western oil companies are in talks with Iraq's Oil Ministry for no-bid contracts to
service the country's largest fields.
www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/world/middleeast/19iraq.html?hp - 18 hours ago -
<related:www.nytimes.com/2008/06/ - Google Search...
t/19iraq.html?hp> Similar pages

...and when none of this happens (which it wont), you will move on to some other conspiracy and never own up to that fact that you were wrong about the last one.

 

[DiveCon]

What you think are facts are not facts. You know only what the mainstream media has told you. You disregard all the rest, much of it is fact.

Yes, we should listen to YOU sealybobo. YOU know the real truth. You are the one with millions of dollars at your disposal to spend on the best investigative journalists in the world. Yes, YOU know best.

Well some of us seem to get what is real news and what is Fox/Rush type news.

You know how you can tell? If I tell you that Europe thinks the US....and your reply is FUCK WHAT EUROPE THINKS, then you are probably brainwashed into only listening to one side of the story.

You guys even assume/suggest that our media is as bad as your media. Rachel Maddow talks about truth. Olbermann, maybe anti GOP, but factual. Rush, spin. O'Reilly, insane, Hannity, LIAR, and new is nut bag Glenn Beck. All truly insane.

LOL
wow, you think olbermann is factual

 

[DiveCon]

There are about 10,000 oil concessions available to the Oil Barons in the US, however,
the Barons are not drilling on them. The talk about off-shore drilling is a "red
herring" to distract the public's attention from the fact that the Oil Barons are about
to get the Iraqis' oil through no-bid contracts. Iraqis will not get control of their
oil wealth.


Blood for Oil Wealth: Next on the Oil Goliaths' menu is Iran's oil & gas wealth...while
the taxpayers' subsidize the Oil Barons with tax breaks, Pentagon protection and their
children's lives or lost limbs..


Deals <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/world/middleeast/19iraq.html?hp> With Iraq Are
Set to Bring Oil Giants Back - NYTimes.com


Four Western oil companies are in talks with Iraq's Oil Ministry for no-bid contracts to
service the country's largest fields.
www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/world/middleeast/19iraq.html?hp - 18 hours ago -
<related:www.nytimes.com/2008/06/ - Google Search...
t/19iraq.html?hp> Similar pages

...and when none of this happens (which it wont), you will move on to some other conspiracy and never own up to that fact that you were wrong about the last one.

bobo is a complete and utter moron

 

[sealybobo]

There are about 10,000 oil concessions available to the Oil Barons in the US, however,
the Barons are not drilling on them. The talk about off-shore drilling is a "red
herring" to distract the public's attention from the fact that the Oil Barons are about
to get the Iraqis' oil through no-bid contracts. Iraqis will not get control of their
oil wealth.


Blood for Oil Wealth: Next on the Oil Goliaths' menu is Iran's oil & gas wealth...while
the taxpayers' subsidize the Oil Barons with tax breaks, Pentagon protection and their
children's lives or lost limbs..


Deals <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/world/middleeast/19iraq.html?hp> With Iraq Are
Set to Bring Oil Giants Back - NYTimes.com


Four Western oil companies are in talks with Iraq's Oil Ministry for no-bid contracts to
service the country's largest fields.
www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/world/middleeast/19iraq.html?hp - 18 hours ago -
<related:www.nytimes.com/2008/06/ - Google Search...
t/19iraq.html?hp> Similar pages

...and when none of this happens (which it wont), you will move on to some other conspiracy and never own up to that fact that you were wrong about the last one.

This has already happened. Oil Men who give to the Bush Presidential Library are getting no bid contracts for Iraq oil fields.

And when this becomes mainstream knowledge, you'll say, "they all do it", or "the dems did it too" or you will move on to your next talking point.

Just like you did with WMD's, Alberto Gonzales BUSTED, global warming, etc.

Funny you just said I would do this when it is your party that does this.

 

[DiveCon]

There are about 10,000 oil concessions available to the Oil Barons in the US, however,
the Barons are not drilling on them. The talk about off-shore drilling is a "red
herring" to distract the public's attention from the fact that the Oil Barons are about
to get the Iraqis' oil through no-bid contracts. Iraqis will not get control of their
oil wealth.


Blood for Oil Wealth: Next on the Oil Goliaths' menu is Iran's oil & gas wealth...while
the taxpayers' subsidize the Oil Barons with tax breaks, Pentagon protection and their
children's lives or lost limbs..


Deals <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/world/middleeast/19iraq.html?hp> With Iraq Are
Set to Bring Oil Giants Back - NYTimes.com


Four Western oil companies are in talks with Iraq's Oil Ministry for no-bid contracts to
service the country's largest fields.
www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/world/middleeast/19iraq.html?hp - 18 hours ago -
<related:www.nytimes.com/2008/06/ - Google Search...
t/19iraq.html?hp> Similar pages

...and when none of this happens (which it wont), you will move on to some other conspiracy and never own up to that fact that you were wrong about the last one.

This has already happened. Oil Men who give to the Bush Presidential Library are getting no bid contracts for Iraq oil fields.

And when this becomes mainstream knowledge, you'll say, "they all do it", or "the dems did it too" or you will move on to your next talking point.

Just like you did with WMD's, Alberto Gonzales BUSTED, global warming, etc.

Funny you just said I would do this when it is your party that does this.

prove it
the Iraqi government is controling their own oil

 

[Godboy]

...and when none of this happens (which it wont), you will move on to some other conspiracy and never own up to that fact that you were wrong about the last one.

This has already happened. Oil Men who give to the Bush Presidential Library are getting no bid contracts for Iraq oil fields.

And when this becomes mainstream knowledge, you'll say, "they all do it", or "the dems did it too" or you will move on to your next talking point.

Just like you did with WMD's, Alberto Gonzales BUSTED, global warming, etc.

Funny you just said I would do this when it is your party that does this.

prove it
the Iraqi government is controling their own oil

Proof isnt part of the agenda for conspiracy nuts. Its all about false claims that they never back up when you call them on it.

 

[sealybobo]

...and when none of this happens (which it wont), you will move on to some other conspiracy and never own up to that fact that you were wrong about the last one.

This has already happened. Oil Men who give to the Bush Presidential Library are getting no bid contracts for Iraq oil fields.

And when this becomes mainstream knowledge, you'll say, "they all do it", or "the dems did it too" or you will move on to your next talking point.

Just like you did with WMD's, Alberto Gonzales BUSTED, global warming, etc.

Funny you just said I would do this when it is your party that does this.

prove it
the Iraqi government is controling their own oil

What a gullable loser you are.

Eight universities were in the running to get the Bush Presidential Library but Hunt Oil Co. head Ray Hunt, of Dallas, an economics major from Southern Methodist University, co-chaired the SMU search effort and came out on top. His long time pals-ship with “The Decider” may have had more than a bit to do with it.

Hunt has done a lot for Bush and vice-versa. Bush named Hunt in 2001 to his President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, and reappointed him five years later. Hunt also sits on the National Petroleum Council that gives industry advice to Bush’s Energy Secretary.

(An oilman’s oilman, Hunt is a member of the board of the American Petroleum Institute and has been showered with awards from the petroleum sector, including “All-American Wildcatter.” Success in Oilsville doesn’t get any headier than that.)

Now it turns out Hunt Oil clinched a separate deal last September with Iraq province Kurdistan he might not have won if he were not Bush’s Good Buddy. Some folks think, according to a front page New York Times report July 3, the deal “runs counter to American policy and undercut Iraq’s central government.” Baghdad reportedly is furious over it.

So let me explain what this means, in short. Bush is making direct deals with Kurds and leaving the Iraqi Central Government out of the loop. Thus destabolizing the region and working COUNTER to what our mission is in Iraq.

So what they are telling you is not what is going on over there.

And I'm done "proving" things to you anyways. The election is over. Obama appointees are discovering on a daily basis that everything I have told you is true, not false.

So this is just another lie you are unaware of. Doesn't surprise me.

OpEdNews » Crony Capitalism, Not Competition, Marks Bush Oil Policy in Iraq

 

[sealybobo]

This has already happened. Oil Men who give to the Bush Presidential Library are getting no bid contracts for Iraq oil fields.

And when this becomes mainstream knowledge, you'll say, "they all do it", or "the dems did it too" or you will move on to your next talking point.

Just like you did with WMD's, Alberto Gonzales BUSTED, global warming, etc.

Funny you just said I would do this when it is your party that does this.

prove it
the Iraqi government is controling their own oil

Proof isnt part of the agenda for conspiracy nuts. Its all about false claims that they never back up when you call them on it.

Bush administration encouraged oil deal in Kurdistan, undermining Iraqi “national unity”

Bush administration encouraged oil deal in Kurdistan, undermining Iraqi &ldquo;national unity&rdquo;

Where is the liberal media in all this? Only one I heard this news from was Rachel Maddow. Maybe liberal ='s truth???

 

[DiveCon]

This has already happened. Oil Men who give to the Bush Presidential Library are getting no bid contracts for Iraq oil fields.

And when this becomes mainstream knowledge, you'll say, "they all do it", or "the dems did it too" or you will move on to your next talking point.

Just like you did with WMD's, Alberto Gonzales BUSTED, global warming, etc.

Funny you just said I would do this when it is your party that does this.

prove it
the Iraqi government is controling their own oil

What a gullable loser you are.

Eight universities were in the running to get the Bush Presidential Library but Hunt Oil Co. head Ray Hunt, of Dallas, an economics major from Southern Methodist University, co-chaired the SMU search effort and came out on top. His long time pals-ship with “The Decider” may have had more than a bit to do with it.

Hunt has done a lot for Bush and vice-versa. Bush named Hunt in 2001 to his President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, and reappointed him five years later. Hunt also sits on the National Petroleum Council that gives industry advice to Bush’s Energy Secretary.

(An oilman’s oilman, Hunt is a member of the board of the American Petroleum Institute and has been showered with awards from the petroleum sector, including “All-American Wildcatter.” Success in Oilsville doesn’t get any headier than that.)

Now it turns out Hunt Oil clinched a separate deal last September with Iraq province Kurdistan he might not have won if he were not Bush’s Good Buddy. Some folks think, according to a front page New York Times report July 3, the deal “runs counter to American policy and undercut Iraq’s central government.” Baghdad reportedly is furious over it.

So let me explain what this means, in short. Bush is making direct deals with Kurds and leaving the Iraqi Central Government out of the loop. Thus destabolizing the region and working COUNTER to what our mission is in Iraq.

So what they are telling you is not what is going on over there.

And I'm done "proving" things to you anyways. The election is over. Obama appointees are discovering on a daily basis that everything I have told you is true, not false.

So this is just another lie you are unaware of. Doesn't surprise me.

OpEdNews » Crony Capitalism, Not Competition, Marks Bush Oil Policy in Iraq

which proves absolutely NOTHING

NEXT

 

[sealybobo]

What you think are facts are not facts. You know only what the mainstream media has told you. You disregard all the rest, much of it is fact.

Yes, we should listen to YOU sealybobo. YOU know the real truth. You are the one with millions of dollars at your disposal to spend on the best investigative journalists in the world. Yes, YOU know best.

People like me have been telling people like you for 8 years that they have been lying to you. And you are still too dumb to wake up.


This news from last week didn't generate nearly enough buzz but is surely a big deal: Hunt Oil of Dallas has signed an oil production-sharing agreement with the grand poobahs of northern Iraq's Kurdistan region, in apparent defiance of the central government in Baghdad, which has questioned its legality.

Paul Krugman wrote about it in his New York Times column, but there was very little hard reporting on it. There should be more, and here's why.

Last January, when President Bush announced the surge, he said that its purpose was to give Baghdad time to accomplish so-called "benchmarks," the most important of which is a fair and equitable oil sharing agreement between all three major stakeholder groups in Iraq (Shiite, Sunni and Kurd).

But now, Bush's Texas pal Ray Hunt has grabbed a big 'ol piece of the Iraqi oil patch pie for himself. He's getting his before the government has even worked out its own revenue sharing plan. Bush's crowd is apparently the country's fourth stakeholder.

Hunt is also a member of the president's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, an ad hoc group of private citizens who give him their perspective on world affairs.

So what does Hunt know that we don't? By laying down some serious corporate jack, isn't he signaling -- quite clearly -- that the Iraqi government is never going to get its own act together on the commodity that represents two-thirds of its GDP?

And by the way, does the Bush clan personally have stock in Hunt Oil, and shouldn't the media at least ask that question?

Alan Greenspan bluntly says in his new book that the war in Iraq is largely about oil. Since this war was first sold as being about 9/11 and terror, and then about Saddam's mushroom clouds and nonexistent WMDs, and then about freeing the Iraqi people from his tyranny, and then about creating democracy throughout the Middle East, and then about God knows what, shouldn't this new Hunt connection pique the interest of the people and our free press?

Smells fishy to me.

 

[DiveCon]

prove it
the Iraqi government is controling their own oil

Proof isnt part of the agenda for conspiracy nuts. Its all about false claims that they never back up when you call them on it.

Bush administration encouraged oil deal in Kurdistan, undermining Iraqi &#8220;national unity&#8221;

Bush administration encouraged oil deal in Kurdistan, undermining Iraqi &ldquo;national unity&rdquo;

Where is the liberal media in all this? Only one I heard this news from was Rachel Maddow. Maybe liberal ='s truth???

the world socialist website?
]


wait, let me find a WND or newsmax story to contradict that

 

[sealybobo]

This has already happened. Oil Men who give to the Bush Presidential Library are getting no bid contracts for Iraq oil fields.

And when this becomes mainstream knowledge, you'll say, "they all do it", or "the dems did it too" or you will move on to your next talking point.

Just like you did with WMD's, Alberto Gonzales BUSTED, global warming, etc.

Funny you just said I would do this when it is your party that does this.

prove it
the Iraqi government is controling their own oil

Proof isnt part of the agenda for conspiracy nuts. Its all about false claims that they never back up when you call them on it.

Bush administration officials knew that a Texas oil company with close ties to President Bush was planning to sign an oil deal with the regional Kurdistan government that ran counter to American policy and undercut Iraq’s central government, a Congressional committee has concluded.

We told you this was true last year. You said it was not. Now that it is fact, I can't wait to see how you spin this. Proof is never part of your agenda. You are what us liberals call a little bitch.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/w...istan.html?partner=rssuserland&pagewanted=all

In an Op-Ed of March 13 last year in The New York Times, Juhasz wrote if the Bush-backed bill became law the Iraq National Oil Company would have exclusive control of just 17 of Iraq’s 80 known oil fields, “leaving two-thirds of known---and all of its as yet undiscovered-fields open to foreign control.”


Meanwhile, the Times reports, the Administration is defending help the U.S. provided in drawing up no-bid contracts between Iraq’s Oil Ministry and five western oil firms to operate in other Iraqi oil patches. The U.S. said it provided purely technical help writing the contracts and played no role in choosing the winners. Believe that one, if you can. But why no bids again? Whatever happened to free enterprise?

This is the same crony capitalism that gave Halliburton, formerly headed by Good Buddy Vice President Cheney, a controversial, multi-billion no-bid contract to truck oil into Iraq. Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown & Root(KBR) also got named sole source contractor to douse any oil well fires that might break out in Iraq.

KBR landed that no-bid plum even though Army Corps of Engineers contract chief Bunnatine Greenhouse found there were other qualified bidders. She was demoted for not signing off on it.

The Hunt and Halliburton deals offer vivid proof that “crony capitalism,” not the free market brand, is being practiced divvying up Iraq’s oil resources and the other spoils of war. This has long been Bush’s modus vivendi. The Wall Street Journal once noted his Harken Energy Co. acquired exclusive offshore drilling rights from Bahrain in 1990 even though it had never drilled a single well. How did Harken get it? Well, Bush’s father at the time occupied the White House.

Maybe when SMU puts all the Bush papers on display about why he attacked Iraq---a war that so far has killed a million souls---it will include the fine print of the contract Hunt signed with the Kurds. It will show how high Hunt could rise with a degree in economics from SMU, and how far Bush would go to sell out the Iraqi people in order to favor a Good Buddy. Is there anyone who still does not believe the Iraq war is about oil?

 

[DiveCon]

bobo, most people are begining to join in my statement of you being a complete moron
and few even bother to read your boring C&P specials

 

[sealybobo]

Proof isnt part of the agenda for conspiracy nuts. Its all about false claims that they never back up when you call them on it.

Bush administration encouraged oil deal in Kurdistan, undermining Iraqi “national unity”

Bush administration encouraged oil deal in Kurdistan, undermining Iraqi &ldquo;national unity&rdquo;

Where is the liberal media in all this? Only one I heard this news from was Rachel Maddow. Maybe liberal ='s truth???

the world socialist website?
]


wait, let me find a WND or newsmax story to contradict that

I'm waiting.

When right wingers have nothing else to say, they question the source. NEVER the facts though.

So STFU little bitch.

 

[sealybobo]

bobo, most people are begining to join in my statement of you being a complete moron
and few even bother to read your boring C&P specials

I don't give a fuck if YOU ever reply back to me again. You are a waste of time. And anyone who agrees with you is a POS too.

People like you hold us back. People like you help the corporations rape the middle class. If this were a civil war and you were my brother, I'd cap your ass.

And of course you are sick of hearing the truth. You thought I'd go away after 8 years. Well, as you can see, I go days without coming here, but then every once in awhile I hear a bit of news and want to share it with you, because I know you aren't getting the facts without me.

Who are these people? Who? They suck just as much as you.

 

[sealybobo]

bobo, most people are begining to join in my statement of you being a complete moron
and few even bother to read your boring C&P specials

Godboy and you didn't even know Bush and his buddies were raping Iraq and going behind the Iraqi central government's back to make direct deals with the Kurds.

Did you read all the information I put up? All the oil deals. Did you know that was occuring?

So when Mook Tada El Sadr snaps and tosses us out and then invites terrorists into Iraq and they ally with Iran because of Bush's bad decisions, are you going to be a gung ho patriotic stupid cock sucker again and fall for Bush's lies?

Of course, because you still are sucking on his sweaty ballsack of lies.

You are a joke my unpatriotic friend.

PS. Questioning our government is patriotic. Blindly following Bush and Rush Limbaugh is the least American thing you could have done.

And now its Freddy/Fanny's fault.

It all ties together you dumb cock sucker.