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I don't think 85% (or more) of the population is that inept, but if it be so that 85% are, well then, yes.

So that is your threshold; beat the AI or be declared inept?

Then Gary Kasperov is inept at chess, for Gawds sake.

You seriously need to rethunk your grok here, dude.
No, I don't.

Absurd is the notion that if one is not supreme, one is therefore inept. With regard to any endeavor and in any community, there is always someone who's the best at it and scads of others who, though not the best, add value to the pursuit and are thus not inept.

There is no respite here for the competent or the inept as people will be far more expensive than robotic labor.

There is a need for the community of working class people to see to our interests, and damn anyone that gets in our way.

BTW, there's a huge gap between "loosing one's job" and "perishing." Even now, were the matter of who has a job and who does not so binary as you've implied with your chess model, very few people would today have a job.

All that rhetorical poop aside, in todays economy, having a job is the difference between keeping ones home and family secure vrs living on the street.

I thought you had some compassion and I am very disappointed to see you do not.

Good day sir.
There is no respite here for the competent or the inept as people will be far more expensive than robotic labor.

There is a need for the community of working class people to see to our interests, and damn anyone that gets in our way.

Your assertions/expectations about whether producers/capitalists will purchase capital rather than labor in order to produce their outputs ignores the concepts of comparative and absolute advantage. Those concepts apply every bit as much to whether one will produce cups rather than plates as it does to whether one will use labor or capital to produce the "cups" or "plates."
To see some examples of how those concepts play out even now, watch an Ovation Network program called Style Factory. Time and time again, what you'll observe is that in the "rag trade," even though it is possible to build machines that can perform pretty much any task, producers do not use machines to perform every task.

I observe another "rag trade" example when I buy a suit. Is it possible to build and implement a machine that suit producers might use to take my measurements? Sure it is. Do tailors use such machines? No. Why not? The answer is found in applying the concepts of absolute and comparative advantage to whether to buy labor or capital. No matter how much such a machine costs, it's not worth it to do so. Maybe there will someday be a tailor who has a high enough volume that s/he will find it economically sound to purchase a machine to do that, but I doubt it. Could there come a time when common be "walk-up" measurement stations where people go in, let the machine take their measurements and send them to a production facility that in turn produces the garment and mails it to the customer? Maybe, but that day is a long way off, if it even arrives.

Ultimately, however, the question of the role of robots comes down to one thing: there is no basis for thinking robots will obtain person status such they can be capitalists, owners of businesses and other productive organizations. It should come as a shock to nobody that being a capitalist is what will matter for when our nation was founded, everything about the model the Founders envisioned and implemented was geared to favor the owners of business. (The current and hotly debated GOP tax bill is yet another manifestation of the very same notions.) Quite simply, if one cannot find a way to be a business owner and thrive as such, yes, one will likely be among those who perish.
I thought you had some compassion and I am very disappointed to see you do not.
I have compassion, but its nature apparently differs from what you may wish it were.


If you have no business owners then you have no employees, at least in the private sector. Or maybe you are advocating for the socialist/communist society where the gov't owns and runs everything. Which maybe sounds nice in theory but has never worked out well in reality.

So those who are not business owners will perish? Who's going to do the work then?
Or maybe you are advocating for the socialist/communist society where the gov't owns and runs everything.

I wasn't. Did you not read the part where I made clear that the economic system/enviroment implicit to my remarks is capitalism?
If you have no business owners then you have no employees, at least in the private sector.

In what capitalist environment be there no business owners?

So those who are not business owners will perish? Who's going to do the work then?

Is the answer to that question not obvious by what I wrote? What part of the following statements and linked content did you make no effort to understand?
Your assertions/expectations about whether producers/capitalists will purchase capital rather than labor in order to produce their outputs ignores the concepts of comparative and absolute advantage. Those concepts apply every bit as much to whether one will produce cups rather than plates as it does to whether one will use labor or capital to produce the "cups" or "plates."
Is it possible to build and implement a machine that suit producers might use to take my measurements? Sure it is. Do tailors use such machines? No. Why not? The answer is found in applying the concepts of absolute and comparative advantage to whether to buy labor or capital.
there is no basis for thinking robots will obtain person status such they can be capitalists, owners of businesses and other productive organizations.
 
We have a better understanding of economics now.

Full employment of resources is what is being advocated, solving for simple poverty is the means.

I think that Donald SORTA understand that but in a very
BUSINESS sort of way. Atlantic City did not produce
anything to eat or wear or enhance the environment for the
sake of agriculture.
 
Why do the rich need H1b corporate welfare assistance and tax breaks?

what makes you imagine that all incorporated businesses are OWNED BY "RICH" people----all kinds of little pathetic businesses are "incorporated"
 
Why do the rich need H1b corporate welfare assistance and tax breaks?

what makes you imagine that all incorporated businesses are OWNED BY "RICH" people----all kinds of little pathetic businesses are "incorporated"
Nothing but diversion?

Unemployment compensation should compete with social services.

A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage!
 
More and more experts are becoming aware of the risks that autonomous android AI represents tot he job market and thus our nation.

Robots TAKING OVER: AI to 'sink world into unemployed despair in hellish dystopia'

Technology has rapidly thrust robots into the human economy but fears are spiralling that artificial intelligence will spark mass unemployment.

Dr Subhash Kak – a Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering at Oklahoma University – previously said robots could replace humans at "literally all jobs".

But now he has exclusively revealed why this would create a world of despair, and it would render human nature meaningless and surplus to requirements.

Kak told Daily Star Online: "The beginnings of the dystopia are already there.

"There will be massive unemployment. People want to be useful and work provides meaning, and so the world will sink into despair.

"Policy makers have begun to speak of a minimum guaranteed income with everyone provided food, shelter, and a smart phone, and that will not address the heart of the problem."​
 
More and more experts are becoming aware of the risks that autonomous android AI represents tot he job market and thus our nation.

Robots TAKING OVER: AI to 'sink world into unemployed despair in hellish dystopia'

Technology has rapidly thrust robots into the human economy but fears are spiralling that artificial intelligence will spark mass unemployment.

Dr Subhash Kak – a Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering at Oklahoma University – previously said robots could replace humans at "literally all jobs".

But now he has exclusively revealed why this would create a world of despair, and it would render human nature meaningless and surplus to requirements.

Kak told Daily Star Online: "The beginnings of the dystopia are already there.

"There will be massive unemployment. People want to be useful and work provides meaning, and so the world will sink into despair.

"Policy makers have begun to speak of a minimum guaranteed income with everyone provided food, shelter, and a smart phone, and that will not address the heart of the problem."​
Unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed in an at-will employment State!
 
Only the right wing has no problem requiring a work ethic from the Age of Iron in any at-will employment State, ostensibly, for the sake of morals and not the bottom line.
/----/ That word salad makes no sense even by your low standards.
the right wing really is that clueless and that Causeless, by any Standards.
 
Only the right wing has no problem requiring a work ethic from the Age of Iron in any at-will employment State, ostensibly, for the sake of morals and not the bottom line.
/----/ That word salad makes no sense even by your low standards.
He is saying that the antiquated Work Ethnic is a conservative goal regardless of whether it is obsolete or not by current economic conditions, simply because conservatives think that the Work Ethnic is morally edifying, and this is not driven by a desire for profits.

He has a point, but it will become a dominant theme of future politics to protect and monger any job creating conditions and policies.
 
Zuckerberg has a good idea.

Let's just get rid of money and make everything free.
We cant get rid of money, silly, how else would the government tax us?
But if it's free it doesn't cost anything right?
No, but the corporations that have replaced human labor with robotic labor will be making such windfall profits, they will be able to shoulder the entire burden while still making record profits.
 
Zuckerberg has a good idea.

Let's just get rid of money and make everything free.
We cant get rid of money, silly, how else would the government tax us?
But if it's free it doesn't cost anything right?
No, but the corporations that have replaced human labor with robotic labor will be making such windfall profits, they will be able to shoulder the entire burden while still making record profits.
/----/ But if there is no one with money to buy these things built by robots.....
 
Only the right wing has no problem requiring a work ethic from the Age of Iron in any at-will employment State, ostensibly, for the sake of morals and not the bottom line.
/----/ That word salad makes no sense even by your low standards.
He is saying that the antiquated Work Ethnic is a conservative goal regardless of whether it is obsolete or not by current economic conditions, simply because conservatives think that the Work Ethnic is morally edifying, and this is not driven by a desire for profits.

He has a point, but it will become a dominant theme of future politics to protect and monger any job creating conditions and policies.
who cares if we lose low wage jobs that Only exist for tax purposes, anyway.
 
Zuckerberg has a good idea.

Let's just get rid of money and make everything free.
We cant get rid of money, silly, how else would the government tax us?
But if it's free it doesn't cost anything right?
No, but the corporations that have replaced human labor with robotic labor will be making such windfall profits, they will be able to shoulder the entire burden while still making record profits.
a general tax on firms for unemployment compensation!
 

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