Yup! He's Still Going Foward with Amnesty

[RetiredGySgt]

I asked you my question first. When you answer, I will answer yours.

Actually, I asked the question first. Several posts ago. Even with that said, who asked first is irrelevant. You made a claim, you back it up. Simple as that. If you can't, then move along.

And yet you won't back up your claim? Hypocrite.

I did back it up. I linked to his speech. Feel free to show me where in that speech he said he would grant amnesty. Perhaps I missed it.

No, you didn't miss it, because ever journalist in the country has been talking about it for 3 days now, and YOU KNOW it. He said this (shown on Fox, CNN, & MSNBC about 200 times over the last 3 days) >>

"And, you know, I think that the best way, if folks are serious about getting immigration reform done, is going ahead and passing a bill and getting it to my desk.
And then the executive actions that I take go away. They’re superseded by the law that is passed.
And, you know, I think that the best way, if folks are serious about getting immigration reform done, is going ahead and passing a bill and getting it to my desk.
And then the executive actions that I take go away".

And you ought to be ashamed of yourself for posting a long speech, and then asking someone to find a tiny portion of it (needle in a haystack) and post it. well I did just that. Now you may answer MY question. >>>

You are seriously coming in here and trying to say that Obama has NOT said he would declare amnesty for illegal immigrants (by issuing an executive order for it) ?

Hmm. What you quoted says "executive actions." It does not say he will be granting amnesty through those executive actions. Even Reagan took executive actions in immigration.

To find Obama mentioning amnesty in the given speech is very easy with the search function enabled in most browsers. Lastly, I am saying that in the speech decried as so partisan by many, Obama did not in fact say he would declare amnesty. He didn't even say amnesty once, nor did he say granting citizenship to illegal immigrants or a variant of that once.

Obama stated his intent to stop deportation. To grant worker permits and to allow millions of illegals to remain in the Country. THAT is amnesty.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No that is not amnesty. You are not entitled to your own definitions, only your own opinions.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

No that is not amnesty. You are not entitled to your own definitions, only your own opinions.

Permanently allowing illegals to remain legally is in fact amnesty.

 

[MaryL]

Impeached? That's too good for Obama. People like Obama should never have been able to run for ANY office, we need to reform that. Funny though, Obama is a crypto American, kind of sorta but not quite American, kind of sorta black but white at the same time. I hate ambiguity, racially or immigration status wise. Obama doesn't understand this country enough to pass judgment or change immigration laws. He is not my president. He doesn't represent most Americans, anyways.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yup, he is your pres, honey, he got the majority twice, and if you break the law, then you will pay for it. But, hey, go ahead and do it.

 

[protectionist]

It does not matter if weirdos write things like, "It's MY definition of amnesty, and as I just said, it doesn't matter what you call it", because it has no meaning in reality.

Yes it does have meaning. Haven't you heard the expression > "What's in a name?" The answer is nothing really. The heart of this is not what we call allowing illegal aliens to remain in the US, The heart of it is that they ARE remaining (WHATEVER one calls it), and inflicting the long list of harms upon Americans that they do >>

Harms of Immigration

1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action).

2. Wage reduction.

3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid).

4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($170 Billion year).

5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare.

6. Increased crime.

7. Increased traffic congestion.

8. Increased pollution.

9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.

10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities.

11. Overcrowding in government offices.

12. Overcrowding in schools.

13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.

14. Cultural erosion.

15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc)

16. Introduction of foreign diseases

In addition, the allowance of illegal aliens, shows both a disrespect for our immigration law and to the people who immigrate here through the legal channels. Highly UNFAIR to them.

These people are already here, if deportation was an option, why didn't anyone else utilize it?

It does not matter if weirdos write things like, "It's MY definition of amnesty, and as I just said, it doesn't matter what you call it", because it has no meaning in reality.

Yes it does have meaning. Haven't you heard the expression > "What's in a name?" The answer is nothing really. The heart of this is not what we call allowing illegal aliens to remain in the US, The heart of it is that they ARE remaining (WHATEVER one calls it), and inflicting the long list of harms upon Americans that they do >>

Harms of Immigration

1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action).

2. Wage reduction.

3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid).

4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($170 Billion year).

5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare.

6. Increased crime.

7. Increased traffic congestion.

8. Increased pollution.

9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.

10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities.

11. Overcrowding in government offices.

12. Overcrowding in schools.

13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.

14. Cultural erosion.

15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc)

16. Introduction of foreign diseases

In addition, the allowance of illegal aliens, shows both a disrespect for our immigration law and to the people who immigrate here through the legal channels. Highly UNFAIR to them.

These people are already here, if deportation was an option, why didn't anyone else utilize it?

Someone did. Ex-president Eisenhower in 1954. And in recent years, Democrats wanting VOTES from the illegals, have been blocking it.

 

[protectionist]

It does not matter if weirdos write things like, "It's MY definition of amnesty, and as I just said, it doesn't matter what you call it", because it has no meaning in reality.

Yes it does have meaning. Haven't you heard the expression > "What's in a name?" The answer is nothing really. The heart of this is not what we call allowing illegal aliens to remain in the US, The heart of it is that they ARE remaining (WHATEVER one calls it), and inflicting the long list of harms upon Americans that they do >>

Harms of Immigration

1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action).

2. Wage reduction.

3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid).

4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($170 Billion year).

5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare.

6. Increased crime.

7. Increased traffic congestion.

8. Increased pollution.

9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.

10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities.

11. Overcrowding in government offices.

12. Overcrowding in schools.

13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.

14. Cultural erosion.

15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc)

16. Introduction of foreign diseases

In addition, the allowance of illegal aliens, shows both a disrespect for our immigration law and to the people who immigrate here through the legal channels. Highly UNFAIR to them.

^What an ass hole.

.......Obama is. Yes. I quite agree.

 

[Judicial review]

Obama likes mexican queers this is all this is about.

 

[protectionist]

Source: Obama to announce 10-point immigration plan via exec action as early as next week

By Lucas Tomlinson
Published November 12, 2014 FoxNews.com

EXCLUSIVE: President Obama is planning to unveil a 10-part plan for overhauling U.S. immigration policy via executive action -- including suspending deportations for millions -- as early as next Friday, a source close to the White House told Fox News.

The president's plans were contained in a draft proposal from a U.S. government agency. The source said the plan could be announced as early as Nov. 21, though the date might slip a few days pending final White House approval.

Obama was briefed at the White House by Homeland Security officials before leaving on his Asia-Pacific trip last week, Fox News has learned.

The plan contains 10 initiatives than span everything from boosting border security to improving pay for immigration officers.

But the most controversial pertain to the millions who could get a deportation reprieve under what is known as "deferred action."

The plan calls for expanding deferred action for illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children -- but also for the parents of U.S. citizens and legal permanent residents.

The latter could allow upwards of 4.5 million illegal immigrant adults with U.S.-born children to stay, according to estimates.

Critics in the Senate say those who receive deferred action, according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, receive work authorization in the United States, Social Security numbers and government-issued IDs.

Another portion that is sure to cause consternation among anti-"amnesty" lawmakers is a plan to expand deferred action for young people. In June 2012, Obama created such a program for illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children, entered before June 2007 and were under 31 as of June 2012. The change would expand that to cover anyone who entered before they were 16, and change the cut-off from June 2007 to Jan. 1, 2010. This is estimated to make nearly 300,000 illegal immigrants eligible.

One of the architects for the president's planned executive actions at DHS is Esther Olavarria, the late Sen. Ted Kennedy's former top immigration lawyer.

Under the changes, Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers also would see a pay raise in order to "increase morale" within the ICE workforce.

DHS also is planning to "promote" the new naturalization process by giving a 50 percent discount on the first 10,000 applicants who come forward, with the exception of those who have income levels above 200 percent of the poverty level.

Tech jobs though a State Department immigrant visa program would offer another half-million immigrants a path to citizenship. This would include their spouses as well.

The other measures include calls to revise removal priorities to target serious criminals for deportation and end the program known as "Secure Communities" and start a new program.

The planning comes as immigrant advocates urge Obama to act. As lawmakers returned for a lame-duck session, Democrats in Congress on Wednesday implored Obama to take executive action.

"We're begging the president. Go big. These [illegal immigrants] are a plus to our nation. Mr. President, please. You said you were going to do something. Do it. Act now," said Rep. Juan Vargas, D-Calif.

House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer said: "I join with my colleagues in urging the president to take action. What he needs to do is give immediate relief to families who are being wrenched apart and living in fear."

Angela Maria Kelley, vice president for immigration policy at the Center for American Progress, touted deferred action as a "tried and true component of immigration policy used by 11 presidents, 39 times in the last 60 years."

She said for many undocumented immigration who have been here for years, "there is no line for people to get into."

Obama has vowed to act in the absence of congressional action and has claimed that congressional action could still supersede his executive steps.

In a recent op-ed in Politico, Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., said Congress would stop Obama from taking executive action by adding language explicitly barring money from being used for that purpose. "Congress has the power of the purse. The President cannot spend a dime unless Congress appropriates it," Sessions wrote. He also pointed out that similar language in the past has prevented the president from closing the Guantanamo Bay prison camp.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...n-as-early-as/

Sweet!

Why doesn't Congress pass their own law and then Obama's action will be moot?

370 of them went to Harry Reid's desk, only to be stuffed in a drawer and ignored.

The Senate passed bipartisan immigration reform. It is John Boehner who will not allow a vote in the House even though it has the votes to pass

Which means that he is doing his job, protecting the American people from that amnesty (laughably referred to as "immigration reform") In the meantime, it is Harry Reid who will not allow a vote in the Senate for mass deportation. And you're saying that amnesty for illegal aliens has the votes to pass in the House ? I don't think so. And soon, it won't have the votes to pass in EITHER the House or Senate, but mass deportation will.

 

[protectionist]

Actually, I asked the question first. Several posts ago. Even with that said, who asked first is irrelevant. You made a claim, you back it up. Simple as that. If you can't, then move along.

And yet you won't back up your claim? Hypocrite.

I did back it up. I linked to his speech. Feel free to show me where in that speech he said he would grant amnesty. Perhaps I missed it.

No, you didn't miss it, because ever journalist in the country has been talking about it for 3 days now, and YOU KNOW it. He said this (shown on Fox, CNN, & MSNBC about 200 times over the last 3 days) >>

"And, you know, I think that the best way, if folks are serious about getting immigration reform done, is going ahead and passing a bill and getting it to my desk.
And then the executive actions that I take go away. They’re superseded by the law that is passed.
And, you know, I think that the best way, if folks are serious about getting immigration reform done, is going ahead and passing a bill and getting it to my desk.
And then the executive actions that I take go away".

And you ought to be ashamed of yourself for posting a long speech, and then asking someone to find a tiny portion of it (needle in a haystack) and post it. well I did just that. Now you may answer MY question. >>>

You are seriously coming in here and trying to say that Obama has NOT said he would declare amnesty for illegal immigrants (by issuing an executive order for it) ?

Hmm. What you quoted says "executive actions." It does not say he will be granting amnesty through those executive actions. Even Reagan took executive actions in immigration.

To find Obama mentioning amnesty in the given speech is very easy with the search function enabled in most browsers. Lastly, I am saying that in the speech decried as so partisan by many, Obama did not in fact say he would declare amnesty. He didn't even say amnesty once, nor did he say granting citizenship to illegal immigrants or a variant of that once.

Obama stated his intent to stop deportation. To grant worker permits and to allow millions of illegals to remain in the Country. THAT is amnesty.

That is treason.

 

[Yarddog]

No that is not amnesty. You are not entitled to your own definitions, only your own opinions.

Yes it is amnesty, because you know they will not be made to leave later. what Obama is doing is what attorneys are good at. Controlling the definition of things and controlling the dialouge. The same end is reached no matter what it is called. by calling it something else Obama can get around Congress.

 

[protectionist]

The ass holes are those who think the rest of America (almost all of it) have to adopt their definitions, terms, and narratives.

Kiddos, not going to happen.

The ass holes are those who think the rest of America (almost all of it) have to adopt their definitions, terms, and narratives.

Kiddos, not going to happen

Amnesty - anything that allows illegal to remain in the US.

 

[Yarddog]

Yup, he is your pres, honey, he got the majority twice, and if you break the law, then you will pay for it. But, hey, go ahead and do it.

Break the law and pay for it? you mean like illegaly comming into the US to live, then paying for it? Oh, no wait. Punishment is only for citizens

 

[protectionist]

No that is not amnesty. You are not entitled to your own definitions, only your own opinions.

Yes it is amnesty, because you know they will not be made to leave later. what Obama is doing is what attorneys are good at. Controlling the definition of things and controlling the dialouge. The same end is reached no matter what it is called. by calling it something else Obama can get around Congress.

Of course. Theses fools are just playing childish word games. The issue is illegals staying in the US, or leaving it. Simple as that.

 

[protectionist]

Yup, he is your pres, honey, he got the majority twice, and if you break the law, then you will pay for it. But, hey, go ahead and do it.

Obama is the one who is breaking the law, as well as the illegal aliens crossing the border without inspection by immigration authorities. The should all be arrested and imprisoned for those crimes.

 

[Yarddog]

Yup, he is your pres, honey, he got the majority twice, and if you break the law, then you will pay for it. But, hey, go ahead and do it.

Obama is the one who is breaking the law, as well as the illegal aliens crossing the border without inspection by immigration authorities. The should all be arrested and imprisoned for those crimes.

Unforunantly this is true, and the law is there to protect the interest of the citizens who elected their leaders, AND to protect the interest of those who waited in line and paid into the system to become legal citizens those people in particular are feeling really cheated right now. Somebody tell me why they should respect our laws as well? when they paid , waited 5 years, suffered inconvenience, then the US lets someone else come live here for free. When they could have done the same thing.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The EO is not amnesty and not treason. Once again, you don't get to make up your own definitions.

 

[protectionist]

The EO is not amnesty and not treason. Once again, you don't get to make up your own definitions.

I certainly DO get to make my own definitions. Especially when there are phony conjobbers out there trying to misconstrue reality, by defining things as other than what they are. We are talking about changing the response to law violators, to one which doesn't not hold them responsible for their violations. That is AMNESTY.

From Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th edition >>>

Amnesty - 1. a pardon, esp. for political offenses against a government.
2. a deliberate overlooking, as of an offense.

Allowing illeqal aliens to remain in the US, fits both of these definitions like a glove.

PS - if you want a definition, from the same dictionary, of "pardon", that is available on request as well.

As for treason, of course Obama's EO is that.

U.S. Code› Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 115 › § 2381

"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

Mexico and the other imperialist/invader countries, pillaging us for Trillions$$ in remittances$$ and human services payouts$$, are our enemies. This is especially true with Mexico, whose # 1 source of income, topping even their oil exports, comes from their migrant pillager "troops." Obama is adhering to these migrant pillager enemies, and is giving them aid and comfort within the United States.

Absolute crystal clear treason. Not a shadow of a doubt about it. $25 Billion/year extracted out of the US economy in remittances, and reinserted into the Mexican economy. $25 bullion/yr just to Mexico alone. International Burglary, Obama participating.

No charge for the tutoring.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You certainly don't, Protectionist.

You can make up any argument you want, but the terms and definitions remain the same.

 

[protectionist]

You certainly don't, Protectionist.

You can make up any argument you want, but the terms and definitions remain the same.

Absolutely they do. Amnesty being just what my dictionary said, which in this case is > Anything less than deportation

And treason, just what I delineated in Post # 378. There's no reason why they would change from that. They remain the same..