Yup! He's Still Going Foward with Amnesty

[Uncensored2008]

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He's a Kenyan, what did you expect?

He's Mafia - what did YOU expect?

 

[rightwinger]

Source: Obama to announce 10-point immigration plan via exec action as early as next week

By Lucas Tomlinson
Published November 12, 2014 FoxNews.com

EXCLUSIVE: President Obama is planning to unveil a 10-part plan for overhauling U.S. immigration policy via executive action -- including suspending deportations for millions -- as early as next Friday, a source close to the White House told Fox News.

The president's plans were contained in a draft proposal from a U.S. government agency. The source said the plan could be announced as early as Nov. 21, though the date might slip a few days pending final White House approval.

Obama was briefed at the White House by Homeland Security officials before leaving on his Asia-Pacific trip last week, Fox News has learned.

The plan contains 10 initiatives than span everything from boosting border security to improving pay for immigration officers.

But the most controversial pertain to the millions who could get a deportation reprieve under what is known as "deferred action."

The plan calls for expanding deferred action for illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children -- but also for the parents of U.S. citizens and legal permanent residents.

The latter could allow upwards of 4.5 million illegal immigrant adults with U.S.-born children to stay, according to estimates.

Critics in the Senate say those who receive deferred action, according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, receive work authorization in the United States, Social Security numbers and government-issued IDs.

Another portion that is sure to cause consternation among anti-"amnesty" lawmakers is a plan to expand deferred action for young people. In June 2012, Obama created such a program for illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children, entered before June 2007 and were under 31 as of June 2012. The change would expand that to cover anyone who entered before they were 16, and change the cut-off from June 2007 to Jan. 1, 2010. This is estimated to make nearly 300,000 illegal immigrants eligible.

One of the architects for the president's planned executive actions at DHS is Esther Olavarria, the late Sen. Ted Kennedy's former top immigration lawyer.

Under the changes, Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers also would see a pay raise in order to "increase morale" within the ICE workforce.

DHS also is planning to "promote" the new naturalization process by giving a 50 percent discount on the first 10,000 applicants who come forward, with the exception of those who have income levels above 200 percent of the poverty level.

Tech jobs though a State Department immigrant visa program would offer another half-million immigrants a path to citizenship. This would include their spouses as well.

The other measures include calls to revise removal priorities to target serious criminals for deportation and end the program known as "Secure Communities" and start a new program.

The planning comes as immigrant advocates urge Obama to act. As lawmakers returned for a lame-duck session, Democrats in Congress on Wednesday implored Obama to take executive action.

"We're begging the president. Go big. These [illegal immigrants] are a plus to our nation. Mr. President, please. You said you were going to do something. Do it. Act now," said Rep. Juan Vargas, D-Calif.

House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer said: "I join with my colleagues in urging the president to take action. What he needs to do is give immediate relief to families who are being wrenched apart and living in fear."

Angela Maria Kelley, vice president for immigration policy at the Center for American Progress, touted deferred action as a "tried and true component of immigration policy used by 11 presidents, 39 times in the last 60 years."

She said for many undocumented immigration who have been here for years, "there is no line for people to get into."

Obama has vowed to act in the absence of congressional action and has claimed that congressional action could still supersede his executive steps.

In a recent op-ed in Politico, Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., said Congress would stop Obama from taking executive action by adding language explicitly barring money from being used for that purpose. "Congress has the power of the purse. The President cannot spend a dime unless Congress appropriates it," Sessions wrote. He also pointed out that similar language in the past has prevented the president from closing the Guantanamo Bay prison camp.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...n-as-early-as/

Sweet!

Why doesn't Congress pass their own law and then Obama's action will be moot?

 

[Political Junky]

Can he do that?

Just go ahead and give amnesty????

I thought this President ,who is unhinged and most Americans agree that he is, can be stopped after last night elections .....also "Republican National Committee (RNC) chairman Reince Priebus, promised Americans that if they deliver the Senate Majority to the GOP then Republicans will stop Obama’s planned executive amnesty."

So what is it going to be?

Does anybody know?

He already gave defacto amnesty for tens of millions.

Tens of millions, Really?

 

[ShackledNation]

Where in the speech did he say he would declare amnesty? Quote him.

I asked you my question first. When you answer, I will answer yours.

Actually, I asked the question first. Several posts ago. Even with that said, who asked first is irrelevant. You made a claim, you back it up. Simple as that. If you can't, then move along.

And yet you won't back up your claim? Hypocrite.

I did back it up. I linked to his speech. Feel free to show me where in that speech he said he would grant amnesty. Perhaps I missed it.

No, you didn't miss it, because ever journalist in the country has been talking about it for 3 days now, and YOU KNOW it. He said this (shown on Fox, CNN, & MSNBC about 200 times over the last 3 days) >>

"And, you know, I think that the best way, if folks are serious about getting immigration reform done, is going ahead and passing a bill and getting it to my desk.
And then the executive actions that I take go away. They’re superseded by the law that is passed.
And, you know, I think that the best way, if folks are serious about getting immigration reform done, is going ahead and passing a bill and getting it to my desk.
And then the executive actions that I take go away".

And you ought to be ashamed of yourself for posting a long speech, and then asking someone to find a tiny portion of it (needle in a haystack) and post it. well I did just that. Now you may answer MY question. >>>

You are seriously coming in here and trying to say that Obama has NOT said he would declare amnesty for illegal immigrants (by issuing an executive order for it) ?

Hmm. What you quoted says "executive actions." It does not say he will be granting amnesty through those executive actions. Even Reagan took executive actions in immigration.

To find Obama mentioning amnesty in the given speech is very easy with the search function enabled in most browsers. Lastly, I am saying that in the speech decried as so partisan by many, Obama did not in fact say he would declare amnesty. He didn't even say amnesty once, nor did he say granting citizenship to illegal immigrants or a variant of that once.

 

[ShackledNation]

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Amnesty - anything less than deportation.

That isn't the definition of amnesty. Obama has said he is considering an executive order that would make it clear that immigration agencies should focus on deporting criminals and repeat immigration offenders. That isn't amnesty, and actually it is sensible.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Protections babbles on. The numbers are real, they are evidenced, and those who cannot accept the reality of the numbers is unbalanced.

The numbers oh Operation Wetback, yes, are real. The numbers from the Obama administration are a joke. Obama is bringing aliens in, not sending them out. Why would someone who is doing so much to bring people in (for votes of course) be sending people out ? Democrats think everyone else is stupid. Isn't that what Gruber said ?

In other words, you don't like the real numbers of 2 million, so you babble on.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The nativists are simply loony; uncensored 2008 is spitting lies above.

 

[guno]

Can he do that?

Just go ahead and give amnesty????

I thought this President ,who is unhinged and most Americans agree that he is, can be stopped after last night elections .....also "Republican National Committee (RNC) chairman Reince Priebus, promised Americans that if they deliver the Senate Majority to the GOP then Republicans will stop Obama’s planned executive amnesty."

So what is it going to be?

Does anybody know?

He already gave defacto amnesty for tens of millions.

Tens of millions, Really?

The slack jawed cracker jackanapes have to lie

 

[Political Junky]

Can he do that?

Just go ahead and give amnesty????

I thought this President ,who is unhinged and most Americans agree that he is, can be stopped after last night elections .....also "Republican National Committee (RNC) chairman Reince Priebus, promised Americans that if they deliver the Senate Majority to the GOP then Republicans will stop Obama’s planned executive amnesty."

So what is it going to be?

Does anybody know?

He already gave defacto amnesty for tens of millions.

Tens of millions, Really?

The slack jawed cracker jackanapes have to lie

Obviously, they think folks will believe anything they make up.

 

[protectionist]

Source: Obama to announce 10-point immigration plan via exec action as early as next week

By Lucas Tomlinson
Published November 12, 2014 FoxNews.com

EXCLUSIVE: President Obama is planning to unveil a 10-part plan for overhauling U.S. immigration policy via executive action -- including suspending deportations for millions -- as early as next Friday, a source close to the White House told Fox News.

The president's plans were contained in a draft proposal from a U.S. government agency. The source said the plan could be announced as early as Nov. 21, though the date might slip a few days pending final White House approval.

Obama was briefed at the White House by Homeland Security officials before leaving on his Asia-Pacific trip last week, Fox News has learned.

The plan contains 10 initiatives than span everything from boosting border security to improving pay for immigration officers.

But the most controversial pertain to the millions who could get a deportation reprieve under what is known as "deferred action."

The plan calls for expanding deferred action for illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children -- but also for the parents of U.S. citizens and legal permanent residents.

The latter could allow upwards of 4.5 million illegal immigrant adults with U.S.-born children to stay, according to estimates.

Critics in the Senate say those who receive deferred action, according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, receive work authorization in the United States, Social Security numbers and government-issued IDs.

Another portion that is sure to cause consternation among anti-"amnesty" lawmakers is a plan to expand deferred action for young people. In June 2012, Obama created such a program for illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children, entered before June 2007 and were under 31 as of June 2012. The change would expand that to cover anyone who entered before they were 16, and change the cut-off from June 2007 to Jan. 1, 2010. This is estimated to make nearly 300,000 illegal immigrants eligible.

One of the architects for the president's planned executive actions at DHS is Esther Olavarria, the late Sen. Ted Kennedy's former top immigration lawyer.

Under the changes, Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers also would see a pay raise in order to "increase morale" within the ICE workforce.

DHS also is planning to "promote" the new naturalization process by giving a 50 percent discount on the first 10,000 applicants who come forward, with the exception of those who have income levels above 200 percent of the poverty level.

Tech jobs though a State Department immigrant visa program would offer another half-million immigrants a path to citizenship. This would include their spouses as well.

The other measures include calls to revise removal priorities to target serious criminals for deportation and end the program known as "Secure Communities" and start a new program.

The planning comes as immigrant advocates urge Obama to act. As lawmakers returned for a lame-duck session, Democrats in Congress on Wednesday implored Obama to take executive action.

"We're begging the president. Go big. These [illegal immigrants] are a plus to our nation. Mr. President, please. You said you were going to do something. Do it. Act now," said Rep. Juan Vargas, D-Calif.

House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer said: "I join with my colleagues in urging the president to take action. What he needs to do is give immediate relief to families who are being wrenched apart and living in fear."

Angela Maria Kelley, vice president for immigration policy at the Center for American Progress, touted deferred action as a "tried and true component of immigration policy used by 11 presidents, 39 times in the last 60 years."

She said for many undocumented immigration who have been here for years, "there is no line for people to get into."

Obama has vowed to act in the absence of congressional action and has claimed that congressional action could still supersede his executive steps.

In a recent op-ed in Politico, Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., said Congress would stop Obama from taking executive action by adding language explicitly barring money from being used for that purpose. "Congress has the power of the purse. The President cannot spend a dime unless Congress appropriates it," Sessions wrote. He also pointed out that similar language in the past has prevented the president from closing the Guantanamo Bay prison camp.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...n-as-early-as/

Sweet!

Why doesn't Congress pass their own law and then Obama's action will be moot?

370 of them went to Harry Reid's desk, only to be stuffed in a drawer and ignored.

 

[protectionist]

I asked you my question first. When you answer, I will answer yours.

Actually, I asked the question first. Several posts ago. Even with that said, who asked first is irrelevant. You made a claim, you back it up. Simple as that. If you can't, then move along.

And yet you won't back up your claim? Hypocrite.

I did back it up. I linked to his speech. Feel free to show me where in that speech he said he would grant amnesty. Perhaps I missed it.

No, you didn't miss it, because ever journalist in the country has been talking about it for 3 days now, and YOU KNOW it. He said this (shown on Fox, CNN, & MSNBC about 200 times over the last 3 days) >>

"And, you know, I think that the best way, if folks are serious about getting immigration reform done, is going ahead and passing a bill and getting it to my desk.
And then the executive actions that I take go away. They’re superseded by the law that is passed.
And, you know, I think that the best way, if folks are serious about getting immigration reform done, is going ahead and passing a bill and getting it to my desk.
And then the executive actions that I take go away".

And you ought to be ashamed of yourself for posting a long speech, and then asking someone to find a tiny portion of it (needle in a haystack) and post it. well I did just that. Now you may answer MY question. >>>

You are seriously coming in here and trying to say that Obama has NOT said he would declare amnesty for illegal immigrants (by issuing an executive order for it) ?

Hmm. What you quoted says "executive actions." It does not say he will be granting amnesty through those executive actions. Even Reagan took executive actions in immigration.

To find Obama mentioning amnesty in the given speech is very easy with the search function enabled in most browsers. Lastly, I am saying that in the speech decried as so partisan by many, Obama did not in fact say he would declare amnesty. He didn't even say amnesty once, nor did he say granting citizenship to illegal immigrants or a variant of that once.

He is talking about allowing illegal aliens to stay in the US, In my view, anything less than deportation is amnesty. doesn't matter what word you use. the important thing is that the illegal are being allowed to STAY HERE.

 

[protectionist]

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Amnesty - anything less than deportation.

That isn't the definition of amnesty. Obama has said he is considering an executive order that would make it clear that immigration agencies should focus on deporting criminals and repeat immigration offenders. That isn't amnesty, and actually it is sensible.

It's MY definition of amnesty, and as I just said, it doesn't matter what you call it.

And you missed the part about >> "deferred action." The plan calls for expanding deferred action for illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children -- but also for the parents of U.S. citizens and legal permanent residents. The latter could allow upwards of 4.5 million illegal immigrant adults with U.S.-born children to stay, according to estimates.

Another part of the EO, is a plan to expand deferred action for young people. In June 2012, Obama created such a program for illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children, entered before June 2007 and were under 31 as of June 2012. The change would expand that to cover anyone who entered before they were 16, and change the cut-off from June 2007 to Jan. 1, 2010. This is estimated to make nearly 300,000 illegal immigrants eligible.

Then there's tech jobs though a State Department immigrant visa program which would offer another half-million immigrants a path to citizenship. This would include their spouses as well.

I posted all this 2 pages back in Post # 336. What's the matter ? You don't read the thread before posting ?

 

[protectionist]

Protections babbles on. The numbers are real, they are evidenced, and those who cannot accept the reality of the numbers is unbalanced.

The numbers oh Operation Wetback, yes, are real. The numbers from the Obama administration are a joke. Obama is bringing aliens in, not sending them out. Why would someone who is doing so much to bring people in (for votes of course) be sending people out ? Democrats think everyone else is stupid. Isn't that what Gruber said ?

In other words, you don't like the real numbers of 2 million, so you babble on.

It's the phony number I don't like. We all know Obama is IMporting migrants, not deporting.

 

[JakeStarkey]

It does not matter if weirdos write things like, "It's MY definition of amnesty, and as I just said, it doesn't matter what you call it", because it has no meaning in reality.

 

[protectionist]

It does not matter if weirdos write things like, "It's MY definition of amnesty, and as I just said, it doesn't matter what you call it", because it has no meaning in reality.

Yes it does have meaning. Haven't you heard the expression > "What's in a name?" The answer is nothing really. The heart of this is not what we call allowing illegal aliens to remain in the US, The heart of it is that they ARE remaining (WHATEVER one calls it), and inflicting the long list of harms upon Americans that they do >>

Harms of Immigration

1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action).

2. Wage reduction.

3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid).

4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($170 Billion year).

5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare.

6. Increased crime.

7. Increased traffic congestion.

8. Increased pollution.

9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.

10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities.

11. Overcrowding in government offices.

12. Overcrowding in schools.

13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.

14. Cultural erosion.

15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc)

16. Introduction of foreign diseases

In addition, the allowance of illegal aliens, shows both a disrespect for our immigration law and to the people who immigrate here through the legal channels. Highly UNFAIR to them.

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

It does not matter if weirdos write things like, "It's MY definition of amnesty, and as I just said, it doesn't matter what you call it", because it has no meaning in reality.

Yes it does have meaning. Haven't you heard the expression > "What's in a name?" The answer is nothing really. The heart of this is not what we call allowing illegal aliens to remain in the US, The heart of it is that they ARE remaining (WHATEVER one calls it), and inflicting the long list of harms upon Americans that they do >>

Harms of Immigration

1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action).

2. Wage reduction.

3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid).

4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($170 Billion year).

5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare.

6. Increased crime.

7. Increased traffic congestion.

8. Increased pollution.

9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.

10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities.

11. Overcrowding in government offices.

12. Overcrowding in schools.

13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.

14. Cultural erosion.

15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc)

16. Introduction of foreign diseases

In addition, the allowance of illegal aliens, shows both a disrespect for our immigration law and to the people who immigrate here through the legal channels. Highly UNFAIR to them.

These people are already here, if deportation was an option, why didn't anyone else utilize it?

 

[RKMBrown]

It does not matter if weirdos write things like, "It's MY definition of amnesty, and as I just said, it doesn't matter what you call it", because it has no meaning in reality.

Yes it does have meaning. Haven't you heard the expression > "What's in a name?" The answer is nothing really. The heart of this is not what we call allowing illegal aliens to remain in the US, The heart of it is that they ARE remaining (WHATEVER one calls it), and inflicting the long list of harms upon Americans that they do >>

Harms of Immigration

1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action).

2. Wage reduction.

3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid).

4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($170 Billion year).

5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare.

6. Increased crime.

7. Increased traffic congestion.

8. Increased pollution.

9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.

10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities.

11. Overcrowding in government offices.

12. Overcrowding in schools.

13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.

14. Cultural erosion.

15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc)

16. Introduction of foreign diseases

In addition, the allowance of illegal aliens, shows both a disrespect for our immigration law and to the people who immigrate here through the legal channels. Highly UNFAIR to them.

^What an ass hole.

 

[rightwinger]

Source: Obama to announce 10-point immigration plan via exec action as early as next week

By Lucas Tomlinson
Published November 12, 2014 FoxNews.com

EXCLUSIVE: President Obama is planning to unveil a 10-part plan for overhauling U.S. immigration policy via executive action -- including suspending deportations for millions -- as early as next Friday, a source close to the White House told Fox News.

The president's plans were contained in a draft proposal from a U.S. government agency. The source said the plan could be announced as early as Nov. 21, though the date might slip a few days pending final White House approval.

Obama was briefed at the White House by Homeland Security officials before leaving on his Asia-Pacific trip last week, Fox News has learned.

The plan contains 10 initiatives than span everything from boosting border security to improving pay for immigration officers.

But the most controversial pertain to the millions who could get a deportation reprieve under what is known as "deferred action."

The plan calls for expanding deferred action for illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children -- but also for the parents of U.S. citizens and legal permanent residents.

The latter could allow upwards of 4.5 million illegal immigrant adults with U.S.-born children to stay, according to estimates.

Critics in the Senate say those who receive deferred action, according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, receive work authorization in the United States, Social Security numbers and government-issued IDs.

Another portion that is sure to cause consternation among anti-"amnesty" lawmakers is a plan to expand deferred action for young people. In June 2012, Obama created such a program for illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children, entered before June 2007 and were under 31 as of June 2012. The change would expand that to cover anyone who entered before they were 16, and change the cut-off from June 2007 to Jan. 1, 2010. This is estimated to make nearly 300,000 illegal immigrants eligible.

One of the architects for the president's planned executive actions at DHS is Esther Olavarria, the late Sen. Ted Kennedy's former top immigration lawyer.

Under the changes, Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers also would see a pay raise in order to "increase morale" within the ICE workforce.

DHS also is planning to "promote" the new naturalization process by giving a 50 percent discount on the first 10,000 applicants who come forward, with the exception of those who have income levels above 200 percent of the poverty level.

Tech jobs though a State Department immigrant visa program would offer another half-million immigrants a path to citizenship. This would include their spouses as well.

The other measures include calls to revise removal priorities to target serious criminals for deportation and end the program known as "Secure Communities" and start a new program.

The planning comes as immigrant advocates urge Obama to act. As lawmakers returned for a lame-duck session, Democrats in Congress on Wednesday implored Obama to take executive action.

"We're begging the president. Go big. These [illegal immigrants] are a plus to our nation. Mr. President, please. You said you were going to do something. Do it. Act now," said Rep. Juan Vargas, D-Calif.

House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer said: "I join with my colleagues in urging the president to take action. What he needs to do is give immediate relief to families who are being wrenched apart and living in fear."

Angela Maria Kelley, vice president for immigration policy at the Center for American Progress, touted deferred action as a "tried and true component of immigration policy used by 11 presidents, 39 times in the last 60 years."

She said for many undocumented immigration who have been here for years, "there is no line for people to get into."

Obama has vowed to act in the absence of congressional action and has claimed that congressional action could still supersede his executive steps.

In a recent op-ed in Politico, Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., said Congress would stop Obama from taking executive action by adding language explicitly barring money from being used for that purpose. "Congress has the power of the purse. The President cannot spend a dime unless Congress appropriates it," Sessions wrote. He also pointed out that similar language in the past has prevented the president from closing the Guantanamo Bay prison camp.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...n-as-early-as/

Sweet!

Why doesn't Congress pass their own law and then Obama's action will be moot?

370 of them went to Harry Reid's desk, only to be stuffed in a drawer and ignored.

The Senate passed bipartisan immigration reform. It is John Boehner who will not allow a vote in the House even though it has the votes to pass

 

[JakeStarkey]

The ass holes are those who think the rest of America (almost all of it) have to adopt their definitions, terms, and narratives.

Kiddos, not going to happen.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Boehner can allow immigration reform any time he brings it up for a vote