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People who mostly work, have put in money into Medicare / Medicaid over the years. Now Medicaid is used by states to give medical services for those less fortunate(or just scumbags) who cant find a job. For the scumbags, why should they get the privilege to use something they normally would be able to pay into, if they got off their asses and worked?Who forced the framers to write the liberal Constitution?I don't have a problem with socialism/liberalism/communism as long as they are voluntary.
Oxymoron: They can only be imposed by force.
It's amazing how much the term 'liberal' has changed since then. It used to be directly related to liberty.
The problem is there are two aspects of liberalism : the social one and the economic one.
I tend to agree with libertarians on social issues and can agree with them on some economic issues ( e.g Hayek).
Conservatives : I find there is very little common ground and few things in which I can agree with them or even conceede they are right. The most extreme cases I've seen : people who consider themselves "right winged" but make use of medicare / medicaid... go figure.
Medicare is for those who were lucky enough to retire(but since liberal taxed Social Security) and Obamacare stole 780 billion dollars from it, why should someone who never put a dime in both, but they receive both?
I find it deplorable that people spend all their money, thinking they wont live past 60, then at 80 complain that they don't have enough to live on.
So your friends never worked? Did you ever work? Or are you just a taker?People who mostly work, have put in money into Medicare / Medicaid over the years. Now Medicaid is used by states to give medical services for those less fortunate(or just scumbags) who cant find a job. For the scumbags, why should they get the privilege to use something they normally would be able to pay into, if they got off their asses and worked?Who forced the framers to write the liberal Constitution?Oxymoron: They can only be imposed by force.
It's amazing how much the term 'liberal' has changed since then. It used to be directly related to liberty.
The problem is there are two aspects of liberalism : the social one and the economic one.
I tend to agree with libertarians on social issues and can agree with them on some economic issues ( e.g Hayek).
Conservatives : I find there is very little common ground and few things in which I can agree with them or even conceede they are right. The most extreme cases I've seen : people who consider themselves "right winged" but make use of medicare / medicaid... go figure.
Medicare is for those who were lucky enough to retire(but since liberal taxed Social Security) and Obamacare stole 780 billion dollars from it, why should someone who never put a dime in both, but they receive both?
I find it deplorable that people spend all their money, thinking they wont live past 60, then at 80 complain that they don't have enough to live on.
Well, I am left winged and have never used Medicare. I have poorer friends who use Medicare, and I think it is ok .
But those same poor friends, who use Medicare think they are conservatives... until I tell them; do you REALLY want all medical aid to be dismantled? Then they go mute, and after a while they start mumbling about free college or food stamps.
So laughable.
Who forced the framers to write the liberal Constitution?Oxymoron: They can only be imposed by force.
It's amazing how much the term 'liberal' has changed since then. It used to be directly related to liberty.
The problem is there are two aspects of liberalism : the social one and the economic one.
I tend to agree with libertarians on social issues and can agree with them on some economic issues ( e.g Hayek).
The problem is that the concept of equality, as embodied by liberalism, has changed. Initially, liberalism was concerned with equality under the law: the idea that everyone, regardless of their status or socio-economic class, is held to the same laws and rules of due process. But this has been replaced with the notion is that everyone should have equal power in society, which can't be pursued as a goal without sacrificing equal protection. If we're going to use government to override society's distribution of economic power, the state will necessarily be treating different classes of people differently.
Conservatives : I find there is very little common ground and few things in which I can agree with them or even concede they are right. The most extreme cases I've seen : people who consider themselves "right winged" but make use of medicare / medicaid... go figure.
As an aside, I wonder if you can understand how this sounds to someone with principled objections to the welfare state? It's probably not taken as you imagine.
I suppose this jab aims at the stereotypical "stingy" Republican, misguided "individualists" who pretend they can do it all themselves. Pointing out their reliance on help from others, especially in the form of state programs they oppose, must feel like rubbing their noses in it. Especially when it comes to pompous windbags who like to look down their noses at the poor.
But most people, even most people who oppose the welfare state, aren't rich and know damned well that they can't do it alone. They just don't want government in charge of their social safety net. They, rightly or wrongly, think they'd be better off without the state interfering. So when government forces the issue, and interferes anyway, are they supposed to just pay their taxes and forgo the benefits that the taxes are paying for? How does that make any sense? They're not being hypocritical when they try to recoup their losses. And when they hear statists gloating about it as though they are, it just seems cruel and sadistic.
Well, actually one of my friends didn't consider social security as "left winged" until I pointed the fact and then added: well, I am not exactly rich. The other one just grinded his teeth .
They need it, they use it, but they want it gone. What about the other 20% which are even poorer than them?
My answer to them : there are people poorer than you which have even more need of those services and you want them dismantled? They went completely mute.
Both Hayek and Friedman were in favour of a government provided safety net through a minimum income.
What is your idea of a safety net which is not provided by the government?
Why is it that people who don't plan for their futures by saving for it, end up getting other peoples money who did save for their future? Oh yeah, because liberals live for the day, not thinking that they may live past 60. Then when they do, they say, "poor, poor, pitiful me, give me what I want or I burn down wallstreet". Yeah, I would love to see all the welfare, social security, medicare, Medicaid shutdown. Then those who have gamed the system would either have to work, or starve. Those that actually need care, would get it through local charitable donations. Liberals hate private charities, because it is the JOB of the government to take care of the people, even when that care is never challenged if the person needs it or not. This is why the US debt has increased 10 trillion dollars since Obama inherited 9 trillion left to him by the first 43 presidents. When the US goes bankrupt, then the country will be like Venezuela, where the Citizens start eating dog(like Obama did) toilet paper will be a commodity and the liberal elites will go to another country to ruin that one. Liberalism is all about equality, where everyone is equally poor and equally miserable, that is called FAIRNESS. Unless you are a liberal elite who has millions and billions of dollars.People who mostly work, have put in money into Medicare / Medicaid over the years. Now Medicaid is used by states to give medical services for those less fortunate(or just scumbags) who cant find a job. For the scumbags, why should they get the privilege to use something they normally would be able to pay into, if they got off their asses and worked?Who forced the framers to write the liberal Constitution?Oxymoron: They can only be imposed by force.
It's amazing how much the term 'liberal' has changed since then. It used to be directly related to liberty.
The problem is there are two aspects of liberalism : the social one and the economic one.
I tend to agree with libertarians on social issues and can agree with them on some economic issues ( e.g Hayek).
Conservatives : I find there is very little common ground and few things in which I can agree with them or even conceede they are right. The most extreme cases I've seen : people who consider themselves "right winged" but make use of medicare / medicaid... go figure.
Medicare is for those who were lucky enough to retire(but since liberal taxed Social Security) and Obamacare stole 780 billion dollars from it, why should someone who never put a dime in both, but they receive both?
I find it deplorable that people spend all their money, thinking they wont live past 60, then at 80 complain that they don't have enough to live on.
Well, I am left winged and have never used Medicare. I have poorer friends who use Medicare, and I think it is ok .
But those same poor friends, who use Medicare think they are conservatives... until I tell them; do you REALLY want all medical aid to be dismantled? Then they go mute, and after a while they start mumbling about free college or food stamps.
So laughable.
Oh cook cook county illinois makes up 17% of people on food stamps, who would of thought?
Why is it that people who don't plan for their futures by saving for it, end up getting other peoples money who did save for their future? Oh yeah, because liberals live for the day, not thinking that they may live past 60. Then when they do, they say, "poor, poor, pitiful me, give me what I want or I burn down wallstreet".
Yeah, I would love to see all the welfare, social security, medicare, Medicaid shutdown.
Liberals hate private charities, because it is the JOB of the government to take care of the people, even when that care is never challenged if the person needs it or not.
People who mostly work, have put in money into Medicare / Medicaid over the years. Now Medicaid is used by states to give medical services for those less fortunate(or just scumbags) who cant find a job. For the scumbags, why should they get the privilege to use something they normally would be able to pay into, if they got off their asses and worked?
Medicare is for those who were lucky enough to retire(but since liberal taxed Social Security) and Obamacare stole 780 billion dollars from it, why should someone who never put a dime in both, but they receive both?
I find it deplorable that people spend all their money, thinking they wont live past 60, then at 80 complain that they don't have enough to live on.
No Joe, I do know the difference as I have posted before, but since both were made so people who didn't think they would live longer , it was a safety net. Of course liberals figured out that if they spent all their money living for the moment, not saving anything for their future, then when it arrived(future) someone else would be there to take care of them. Same with Social Security instead of private investments for a retirement. You liberals are just deplorable.People who mostly work, have put in money into Medicare / Medicaid over the years. Now Medicaid is used by states to give medical services for those less fortunate(or just scumbags) who cant find a job. For the scumbags, why should they get the privilege to use something they normally would be able to pay into, if they got off their asses and worked?
Medicare is for those who were lucky enough to retire(but since liberal taxed Social Security) and Obamacare stole 780 billion dollars from it, why should someone who never put a dime in both, but they receive both?
I find it deplorable that people spend all their money, thinking they wont live past 60, then at 80 complain that they don't have enough to live on.
Guy it's pretty clear you don't understand that MediCare and Medicaid are two different things. I'm sure the similarlity in the names confuses you terribly... but let's try.
Medicare is a form of medical insurance for retired people that the private insurance companies would never take on.
Medicaid is insurance for people who can't get it throught their jobs, etc.
Now, if we were a sensible country like Canada, we'd just have single payer and not mess with all these private companies living high on the hog on your tax dollars.
It's not a matter of savings, dude. It's a matter of just how fast an illness can wipe you out financially.
The rest of the world, where they treat health care like a public service, doesn't have this problem. They spend less and live longer.
No Joe, I do know the difference as I have posted before, but since both were made so people who didn't think they would live longer , it was a safety net. Of course liberals figured out that if they spent all their money living for the moment, not saving anything for their future, then when it arrived(future) someone else would be there to take care of them. Same with Social Security instead of private investments for a retirement. You liberals are just deplorable.
No Joe, I do know the difference as I have posted before, but since both were made so people who didn't think they would live longer , it was a safety net. Of course liberals figured out that if they spent all their money living for the moment, not saving anything for their future, then when it arrived(future) someone else would be there to take care of them. Same with Social Security instead of private investments for a retirement. You liberals are just deplorable.
No, what's deplorable is letting the rich fuck you so you can think you are a little better off than that Darkie over there...
Clearly, you don't know the difference. ONe if for old people, one is for poor people.
ON the off chance the brokers on Wall Street don't rip you off before you retire, it takes one good illness to wipe out your savings if you didn't have Medicare.
Hey Joe who has been the president of the US for the past 7 3/4 years? Why is the 1/2 darkie fucking over US while giving other countries millions of our tax dollars? Clearly Joe, you should be put into an insane asylum, but since Carter thought it would be better to show liberal compassion to these deranged individuals, we see people like you on the streets.No, what's deplorable is letting the rich fuck you so you can think you are a little better off than that Darkie over there...
Hey Joe who has been the president of the US for the past 7 3/4 years? Why is the 1/2 darkie fucking over US while giving other countries millions of our tax dollars? Clearly Joe, you should be put into an insane asylum, but since Carter thought it would be better to show liberal compassion to these deranged individuals, we see people like you on the streets.
Can you imagine Joe at the thanksgiving table.
Joe talking to his family "You are all a bunch of racists for what was done to the native americans and here you are celebrating" shame on all of you. Joe's family disowns him.
Joe at Christmas "you kids are deplorable for letting the rich fuck you so you can think you are a little better off than that Darkie over there...So I am taking away the gifts that Santa left you", Joe's kids disown him.
Joe at valentines "Why should I give you a valentine gift, valentines was created so some company can make obscene profits, so therefore you don't get anything" Joe's wife becomes a tranny and runs off with another woman.
I have been trying but every time you get a smack down, you start throwing a rant and type up a whole bunch of insults. But it is okay Joe, I am not thinned skinned like you, so have no problem with your insults as you see, I can give them right back at you. Your problem Joe, is that even when I post many instances of FAILED attempts at Socialism/Communism/Liberalism/Fascism/Progressivism you cant come to grip that your whole life has been a lie, and that there is nothing left for you to live for. But Joe, there is still hope, that you could move away from your lying ideology, and slowly be accepted into not only the US culture but be able to talk to the rest of your family at the dinner table. I will not hold my breath, because I know too many liberals that have been so brainwashed that they crossed the point of no return. When Trump wins, Joe, because Hillary is diving in the polls like a skydiver without a parachute, you can always go to Cuba, the ultimate Socialist Utopia. The Castro brothers would love to add you to the rest of the serfs.Can you imagine Joe at the thanksgiving table.
Joe talking to his family "You are all a bunch of racists for what was done to the native americans and here you are celebrating" shame on all of you. Joe's family disowns him.
Joe at Christmas "you kids are deplorable for letting the rich fuck you so you can think you are a little better off than that Darkie over there...So I am taking away the gifts that Santa left you", Joe's kids disown him.
Actually, most of my relatives know not to talk about politics or religion around me.. and that's fine. That's not what family gatherings are for.
(A lot of my relatives are more liberal than I am, but never mind.)
Joe at valentines "Why should I give you a valentine gift, valentines was created so some company can make obscene profits, so therefore you don't get anything" Joe's wife becomes a tranny and runs off with another woman.
Valentine's day is bullshit... Glad you agree. I'm not sure why you think that one needs to be a tranny to run off with another woman, but you obviously missed the point.
Hey, let me know when you actually want to discuss the subject of the thread, which spoiler alert, isn't about "Obama".
I have been trying but every time you get a smack down, you start throwing a rant and type up a whole bunch of insults. But it is okay Joe, I am not thinned skinned like you, so have no problem with your insults as you see, I can give them right back at you.
Your problem Joe, is that even when I post many instances of FAILED attempts at Socialism/Communism/Liberalism/Fascism/Progressivism you cant come to grip that your whole life has been a lie, and that there is nothing left for you to live for.
When Trump wins,
Real nice way to start a conversation that you said before,I have been trying but every time you get a smack down, you start throwing a rant and type up a whole bunch of insults. But it is okay Joe, I am not thinned skinned like you, so have no problem with your insults as you see, I can give them right back at you.
Really, because you kind of come off like a five year old throwing a tantrum most of the time... but less charming.
Okay, so let's discuss the topic of this thread without going back into a "but, but, but Obama" whenever you get caught not having your facts right, like being unable to tell the difference between MediCare and Medicaid.
Your problem Joe, is that even when I post many instances of FAILED attempts at Socialism/Communism/Liberalism/Fascism/Progressivism you cant come to grip that your whole life has been a lie, and that there is nothing left for you to live for.
Wait a minute, now how are either of those things related. Up until 2008, I was a hard-core Republican, until your boy Bush fucked it up so badly I just couldn't make excuses anymore.
Your argument is that because a political system failed (they all do, eventually) that means a philosophy has failed (even though no pure version of a philosophy exists outside a classroom). And when someone points out that the failure of the USSR had more to do with imperialism than communism, or Cuba is in bad shape because we've been waging economic war on it for half a century, you go into your whiny, snivelly personal attacks on people you don't even know.
When Trump wins,
If Trump wins, America is done. Even if we avoid a nuclear apocolypse, the fact is, you can't run a country by turning half of it against the other half. That never works.
you are such a petulant spoiled little spineless liberal. You are wrong, have been all your life, and you MUST lie continually to justify your very existence.Hey, let me know when you actually want to discuss the subject of the thread, which spoiler alert, isn't about "Obama".
you are such a petulant spoiled little spineless liberal. You are wrong, have been all your life, and you MUST lie continually to justify your very existence.
Just out of curiosity, are you confusing Medicare with Medicaid?Well, I am left winged and have never used Medicare. I have poorer friends who use Medicare, and I think it is ok . But those same poor friends, who use Medicare think they are conservatives...
Yep, sory .Just out of curiosity, are you confusing Medicare with Medicaid?Well, I am left winged and have never used Medicare. I have poorer friends who use Medicare, and I think it is ok . But those same poor friends, who use Medicare think they are conservatives...
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