Your essential book list for politics.

My boy is 16 and my girl will be 14 too soon to contemplate. They will be voters soon!

I am going to ask them to read three basic books on politics if they read nothing else.

Federalist papers

Machiavellis's Discourses on Livy's Roman History

Road to Serfdom.


What three books would you recommend to a new voter?

Modern Times- Paul Johnson

De Toqueville- Democracy in America

Adam Smith- An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations


the chances of your child of getting through any of those is, well Johnson is probably doable at that age inho, the rest, hey, a chapter a week- read discuss...;)

Around 16 on, sure. I was reading Plutarch when I was 16...so its all good.

haha. yes they'll get to those right after War and Peace :lol:
 
What three books would you recommend to a new voter?

That's a tough one, not only because of the set number but because you have to determine whether to start your soon-to-be-voters with practical knowledge or philosophical thought relevant to politics. They're both important but most of the recommendations so far have focused on the latter so I'll throw in three classics about the legislative branch, executive branch, and policy itself that any voter ought to read:

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Congress-Its-Members-Roger-Davidson/dp/1568028164]Congress and Its Members[/ame] by Davidson and Oleszek

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Bureaucracy-Government-Agencies-Basic-Classics/dp/0465007856/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1292186014&sr=1-1]Bureaucracy[/ame] by Wilson

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Policy-Paradox-Political-Decision-Revised/dp/0393976254/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1292186069&sr=1-1]Policy Paradox[/ame] by Stone

(and, if they're hands-on, nitty-gritty detail types, for a bonus I'd throw in [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Implementation-Expectations-Washington-Programs-Foundation/dp/0520053311/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1292186105&sr=1-4]Implementation by Pressman and Wildavsky[/ame])

I'm not sure how motivated a teen would be to get through these books but I think that goes for most of the books posted in this thread. Good luck; may you step in where high school government teachers are failing woefully these days.
 
Many, many classic books have been mentioned so far; it's difficult to pick just three!

My three books:

Atlas Shrugs

The Conservative Mind: From Burke to Eliot

Free to Choose
 
Discourse on the Origin of Inequality and On the Social Contract by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Civil Disobedience by Henry David Thoreau
Declarations of Independence and A People's History of The United States by Howard Zinn
Democracy in America by Alexis de Tocqueville
Common Sense and Rights of Man by Thomas Paine
An Economic Theory of Democracy by Anthony Downs
Understanding Power: The Indispensable Chomsky
Two Treatises of Government by John Locke
Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes
The Origins of Totalitarianism and The Human Condition by Hannah Arendt
Statism and Anarchy by Mikhail Bakunin
Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution by Peter Kropotkin
The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith
Das Kapital by Karl Marx
Individualism Old and New by John Dewey


and of course the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, Bill of Rights and Amendments, Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers, and I think as a good contrast, the Constitution of South Africa.

Recommended to a 14-year-old? Not all of them. But "my essential book list for politics" and all things I'd recommend to someone curious about political history and philosophy in their late teens or so.

So you both ignored the fact that we're talking about a 14-year old and that the OP asked for three books.

Good job, Captain Overkill. :doubt:
 
John Adams, by Page Smith. Two Volumes. 1962

I think its a shame our High Schools do not teach us about John Adams, I see this as nothing less than a tragedy. So much in this book, so much that John Adams wrote is relevant to today it is uncanny and showed me that John Adams was brilliant. John Adams knowledge of politics, history, the nature of politics is as important today as it was in 1776. John Adams insight and observation to the motives and psychology of politicians was perfect. I wish I could state this more eloquently, a few quotes, if I can find them, will say it better than I.

John Adams Quotes

But what do we mean by the American Revolution? Do we mean the American war? The Revolution was effected before the war commenced. The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution.

John Adams, letter to H. Niles, February 13, 181

Each individual of the society has a right to be protected by it in the enjoyment of his life, liberty, and property, according to standing laws. He is obliged, consequently, to contribute his share to the expense of this protection; and to give his personal service, or an equivalent, when necessary. But no part of the property of any individual can, with justice, be taken from him, or applied to public uses, without his own consent, or that of the representative body of the people. In fine, the people of this commonwealth are not controllable by any other laws than those to which their constitutional representative body have given their consent.

John Adams, Thoughts on Government, 1776

Every measure of prudence, therefore, ought to be assumed for the eventual total extirpation of slavery from the United States.... I have, throughout my whole life, held the practice of slavery in... abhorrence.

John Adams, letter to Evans, June 8, 1819

Fear is the foundation of most governments; but it is so sordid and brutal a passion, and renders men in whose breasts it predominates so stupid and miserable, that Americans will not be likely to approve of any political institution which is founded on it.

John Adams, Thoughts on Government, 1776

Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people; and not for profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it.

John Adams, Thoughts on Government, 1776

I Pray Heaven to Bestow The Best of Blessing on THIS HOUSE, and on ALL that shall hereafter Inhabit it. May none but Honest and Wise Men ever rule under This Roof!

John Adams, letter to Abigail Adams, November 2, 1800

Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people, who have a right, from the frame of their nature, to knowledge, as their great Creator, who does nothing in vain, has given them understandings, and a desire to know; but besides this, they have a right, an indisputable, unalienable, indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge; I mean, of the characters and conduct of their rulers.

John Adams, Dissertation on Canon and Feudal Law, 1765

That, as a republic is the best of governments, so that particular arrangements of the powers of society, or, in other words, that form of government which is best contrived to secure an impartial and exact execution of the laws, is the best of republics.

John Adams, Thoughts on Government, 1776

We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

John Adams, Address to the Military, October 11, 1798

We should be unfaithful to ourselves if we should ever lose sight of the danger to our liberties if anything partial or extraneous should infect the purity of our free, fair, virtuous, and independent elections.

John Adams, Inaugural Address, March 4, 1797

D]emocracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few.

John Adams, An Essay on Man's Lust for Power, August 29, 1763

The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If `Thou shalt not covet' and `Thou shalt not steal' were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.

John Adams, A Defense of the American Constitutions, 1786



Somebody mentioned Howard Zinn, very appalling, partisan, revisionist. Bad ideas, a para-phrased tertiary source that is extremely misleading which goes arm and arm, hand and hand with the dirt-bag Chomsky.
 
Jillian, no response to my saying you've been bitchy? I mean considering the sites I posted and you claimed to first be blogs, then switched to an argument about one being not incorporating original sources? Then I showed it was a feature of said site, then you went weird.

As I said, your being bitchy towards myself doesn't mean I find your posts less relevant. Not by a longshot. I do wonder though, how we got to an adversarial position? We've years on this board and have mainly been respectful, though always disagreeing from the base. Only in the past few months though, have you tagged me as someone to harm in rep. Why?

I've not done that to you.
 
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Somebody mentioned Howard Zinn, very appalling, partisan, revisionist. Bad ideas, a para-phrased tertiary source that is extremely misleading which goes arm and arm, hand and hand with the dirt-bag Chomsky.

while I agree on Zinn, I think the war fulked his head completely up. I don't think hes a dirty bag bit hes not someone I would have my kids read....anyone for that matter...
 
Discourse on the Origin of Inequality and On the Social Contract by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Civil Disobedience by Henry David Thoreau
Declarations of Independence and A People's History of The United States by Howard Zinn
Democracy in America by Alexis de Tocqueville
Common Sense and Rights of Man by Thomas Paine
An Economic Theory of Democracy by Anthony Downs
Understanding Power: The Indispensable Chomsky
Two Treatises of Government by John Locke
Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes
The Origins of Totalitarianism and The Human Condition by Hannah Arendt
Statism and Anarchy by Mikhail Bakunin
Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution by Peter Kropotkin
The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith
Das Kapital by Karl Marx
Individualism Old and New by John Dewey


and of course the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, Bill of Rights and Amendments, Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers, and I think as a good contrast, the Constitution of South Africa.

Recommended to a 14-year-old? Not all of them. But "my essential book list for politics" and all things I'd recommend to someone curious about political history and philosophy in their late teens or so.

So you both ignored the fact that we're talking about a 14-year old and that the OP asked for three books.

Good job, Captain Overkill. :doubt:

Heh, well it was 14 and 16 and I read most of those for the first time as a teenager so I kept that in mind and gave the caveat that all might not be age appropriate for a 14 year old unless she's particularly precocious. But despite, or perhaps because, it was all big and bolded I totally missed the "three" limitation.

Whittle that down to 3?... Nah, nevermind, I couldn't.

Avoiding philosophy and ideology altogether though, if you're looking for one book that provides a cohesive and all-encompassing understanding of how a state democracy practically functions, Downs' An Economic Theory of Democracy can't be beat.
 
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John Adams, by Page Smith. Two Volumes. 1962

I think its a shame our High Schools do not teach us about John Adams, I see this as nothing less than a tragedy. So much in this book, so much that John Adams wrote is relevant to today it is uncanny and showed me that John Adams was brilliant. John Adams knowledge of politics, history, the nature of politics is as important today as it was in 1776. John Adams insight and observation to the motives and psychology of politicians was perfect. I wish I could state this more eloquently, a few quotes, if I can find them, will say it better than I.

John Adams Quotes

But what do we mean by the American Revolution? Do we mean the American war? The Revolution was effected before the war commenced. The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution.

John Adams, letter to H. Niles, February 13, 181

Each individual of the society has a right to be protected by it in the enjoyment of his life, liberty, and property, according to standing laws. He is obliged, consequently, to contribute his share to the expense of this protection; and to give his personal service, or an equivalent, when necessary. But no part of the property of any individual can, with justice, be taken from him, or applied to public uses, without his own consent, or that of the representative body of the people. In fine, the people of this commonwealth are not controllable by any other laws than those to which their constitutional representative body have given their consent.

John Adams, Thoughts on Government, 1776

















D]emocracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few.

John Adams, An Essay on Man's Lust for Power, August 29, 1763

The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If `Thou shalt not covet' and `Thou shalt not steal' were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.

John Adams, A Defense of the American Constitutions, 1786



Somebody mentioned Howard Zinn, very appalling, partisan, revisionist. Bad ideas, a para-phrased tertiary source that is extremely misleading which goes arm and arm, hand and hand with the dirt-bag Chomsky.

Didn't you hear, ALL quotes are inherently out of context and therefore mean nothing at all!
 
John Adams, by Page Smith. Two Volumes. 1962

I think its a shame our High Schools do not teach us about John Adams, I see this as nothing less than a tragedy. So much in this book, so much that John Adams wrote is relevant to today it is uncanny and showed me that John Adams was brilliant. John Adams knowledge of politics, history, the nature of politics is as important today as it was in 1776. John Adams insight and observation to the motives and psychology of politicians was perfect. I wish I could state this more eloquently, a few quotes, if I can find them, will say it better than I.

John Adams Quotes

But what do we mean by the American Revolution? Do we mean the American war? The Revolution was effected before the war commenced. The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution.

John Adams, letter to H. Niles, February 13, 181





















The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If `Thou shalt not covet' and `Thou shalt not steal' were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.

John Adams, A Defense of the American Constitutions, 1786



Somebody mentioned Howard Zinn, very appalling, partisan, revisionist. Bad ideas, a para-phrased tertiary source that is extremely misleading which goes arm and arm, hand and hand with the dirt-bag Chomsky.

Didn't you hear, ALL quotes are inherently out of context and therefore mean nothing at all!

Thats why the book is a recommendation, if the quotes were sufficient I may of suggested a book of quotes and not a book where the quotes would be in context.
 
My boy is 16 and my girl will be 14 too soon to contemplate. They will be voters soon!

I am going to ask them to read three basic books on politics if they read nothing else.

Federalist papers

Machiavellis's Discourses on Livy's Roman History

Road to Serfdom.


What three books would you recommend to a new voter?

You make intelligent efforts towards being an effective father. :clap2: May they listen and learn.
 
What three books would you recommend to a new voter?


That's a toughie...


a list of politics-related books everyone should read would include:

Manifesto of the Communist Party

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Pinheads and Patriots.


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So is your political philosophy.
Huh? You don't even know what my political philosophy is. Why are you getting so bent out of shape... Atlas shrugged is fiction, is it not? The OP is asking for HISTORY BOOKS.


says who?

My boy is 16 and my girl will be 14 too soon to contemplate. They will be voters soon!

I am going to ask them to read three basic books on politics if they read nothing else.

Federalist papers

Machiavellis's Discourses on Livy's Roman History

Road to Serfdom.


What three books would you recommend to a new voter?
 
Atlas Shrugged

Capitalism and Freedom

Rich Dad, Poor Dad

On the last really any book about money. The Millinaire Next Door is another good one. One of the best things a parent can do for a child is teach them about money and handling it responsbly. If the rest of society understood money and handled it responsibly, so many of these other issues would go away. I just happen to look Robert Kiyosaki stuff, especially his second book Cash Flow Quadrant which talks some about governments influence and policies on money and how it effects indivduals.
 
He is smart, but i don't think he will get through them all quite yet. I was just thinking over the next year and a half, what should his book list be to understand how things work.

Adam Smith is a hard go. I have to agree that is probably out of his reach, but the PJ ORoarke cliff notes version is a pretty good substitute.

Also, much of the Federalist papers is boring. But he should at least read Federalist 10. Everyone on this board should read Federalist 10.

Machiavelli on Livi is very easy going. I had a lot of fun with it. I had to read it at the same time I was reading the whole of the Federalist for a different class. You can see where Madison got a lot of his ideas.
 
My advice: make him read six books: one on history, one on economics, and one on politics/political theory on each side of the spectrum (EG: read Marx/Engels and also Hayek/Mises)
 
Many, many classic books have been mentioned so far; it's difficult to pick just three!

My three books:

Atlas Shrugs

The Conservative Mind: From Burke to Eliot

Free to Choose

Oh yes, indoctrinate 'em early before they even get to choose a shaver.
 
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Arthur Koestler's contribution is a must-read. Not only does he discuss the reality he encountered following his infatuation with communism and the CCCP, he provides one of the most honest explanations of why communism (and many other dogmas) can enchant so many and prove so stubborn once they take hold. When one grasps this truth and comes to properly understand the role of religion- and what it truly means for something to be a religion- one finds much in politics, historical and contemporary, newly illuminated.

First, he explains the initial (intellectual) attraction.
The intellectual attraction of Marxism was that it exploded liberal fallacies- which really were fallacies. It taught the bitter truth that progress is not automatic, that boom and bust are inherent in capitalism, that social injustice and racial discrimination are not cured merely by the passage of time and that power politics cannot be 'abolished', but only used for good or bad ends,
Later he goes on to explain why the 'communism' he saw specifically [and, I would argue, dogmatically held beliefs in general] do not yield to facts or intellectual challenges.

Here, indeed, is the explanation of a phenomenon which has puzzled many observers. How could these intellectuals accept the dogmatism of Stalinism? The answers are to be scattered through the pages which follow. For the intellectual, material comforts are relatively unimportant; what he cares mostly about is spiritual freedom. The strength of the Catholic Church has always been that it demands the sacrifice of that freedom uncompromisingly, and condemns spiritual pride as a deadly sin. The Communist novice, subjecting his soul to the canon law of the Kremlin, felt felt something of the release which Catholicism also brings to the intellectual, wearied and worried by the privilege of freedom.

Once the renunciation has been made, the mind, instead of operating freely, becomes the servant of a higher and unquestioned purpose. To deny the truth is an act of service. This, of course is why it is useless to discuss any particular aspect of politics with a Communist. Any genuine intellectual contact which you have with him involves a challenge to his fundamental faith, a struggle for his soul. For it is very much easier to lay the oblation of spiritual pride on the altar of word revolution than to snatch it back again
Later still, he reveals his own cognitive dissonance as the truths he saw with his own eyes challenged his faith and he slowly came out of his stupor and rejected the religion the dogma of Stalinism.

Here, he speaks of his last public speech as a member of the Party:
The theme of the speech was the situation in Spain; it contained not a single word of criticism of the Party or of Russia. But in contained three phrases, deliberately chosen because to normal people they were platitudes, to Communists a declaration of war. The first was: 'No movement, party, or person can claim the privilege of infallibility.' The second was: 'Appeasing the enemy is as foolish as persecuting the friend who pursues your own aim by a different road'. The third was a quotation from Thomas Mann:'A harmful truth is better than a useful lie'
 

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