You went full Atlas Shrugged. Never go full Atlas Shrugged.

[Curried Goats]

The Short Bus crowd goes back to talking amongst themselves when they can't explain, rationally, how someone steals an idea.

 

[Curried Goats]

It is rational. I dont expect a collectivist to understand.

Explain it. How does one steal an idea like one steals physical property? If you have a piece of physical property only one of us can logically have it in our possession. That doesn't translate to ideas. If you have an idea and I recognize it as a good one and copy it you're still in possession of your thoughts.

 

[TNHarley]

Explain it. How does one steal an idea like one steals physical property? If you have a piece of physical property only one of us can logically have it in our possession. That doesn't translate to ideas. If you have an idea and I recognize it as a good one and copy it you're still in possession of your thoughts.

Good grief

 

[Curried Goats]

Good grief

I figured you couldn't. No one could make logical sense out of that inanity.

 

[TNHarley]

I figured you couldn't. No one could make logical sense out of that inanity.

I already did.

 

[marvin martian]

Let this be a lesson to all of you: Be careful what you do out of your hatred, because you could be breeding the very thing you hate.

If Democrats don't want to be labeled as commies, they need to avoid acting like commies. They're going to breed a new generation of Randians if they start embracing nationalizing patents.

This is 100% the wrong approach. Patents have to be honored. If the duration of patents is too long, then push for legislation that changes the duration. The playing field must be equal. At the very least, if they want medications to have a shorter duration, then put it into legislation. That, at least, would be an honest, over the table approach that would allow the manufacturers to decide whether the investment is worth the pay-off. Better yet, if they feel the greater public good so severely needs access to these medications, then the federal government should fund the research and development directly. This, again, would at least be an honest approach. But if Biden does this in this way, it's nothing short of theft.

The Biden administration has determined that it has the authority to seize the patents of certain high-priced medicines, a move that could open the door to a more aggressive federal campaign to slash drug prices.

Targeting costly meds, Biden admin asserts authority to seize certain drug patents

Biden is so panicked to show voters that he's done something other than start two wars and wreck the economy, he's going to do increasingly desperate, illegal things like this to try and score a win somehow.

 

[g5000]

Better yet, if they feel the greater public good so severely needs access to these medications, then the federal government should fund the research and development directly

If you had read your own link, you would see the Biden administration is talking about drugs which were developed with funds from taxpayers.

 

[Curried Goats]

I already did.

You didn't. You made an assertion and ad hominem attack. That's not an explanation.

 

[g5000]

Rand is an idiot. Patents have no place in free market capitalism. They are nothing more than government supported monopolies.

Then no one would invent. There would be no incentive.

Copyrights and patents are protected by the US Constitution.

Try reading a real libertarian philosophers work like Bastiat's Sophisms of the Protectionists or The Law.

Try reading the Constitution.

 

[dblack]

Live by the .gov subsidy, die by the .gov subsidy.

This is nothing new, I suspect it's just being used a leverage to get big pharma to lower prices on their own on scripts that were developed with taxpayer funds.

Yep. That's why the give them "taxpayer funds" in the first place. Soft socialism.

 

[TNHarley]

You didn't. You made an assertion and ad hominem attack. That's not an explanation.

Intellectual property is private property.
See, you cant get a patent for just a theory or idea.
IDK what else your dumb ass requires for this subject.

 

[marvin martian]

Healthcare should not be subject to such trappings of capitalism.

Unless you can think of a price that would cause you to say, "Fuck it, let me die, that's too expensive."

You prefer the government make that decision for you.

 

[Curried Goats]

Then no one would invent. There would be no incentive.

That supposes that the incentive for labor and economy is money but money is merely a means to an end. We labor, ultimately to combat scarcity. If there is a scarcity of a certain life saving medicine you don't need the incentive of money to want to alleviate that scarcity, you just have to have a loved one who needs that medicine or need it yourself.

Copyrights and patents are protected by the US Constitution.

Try reading the Constitution.

I'm not denying they are moron, I'm just questioning their rationality.

 

[Curried Goats]

Intellectual property is private property.

That is merely a recitation of current law. If we changed the law then it wouldnt be private property. I'm trying to discuss the philosophy and reasoning behind the law. Why should you be allowed to claim ideas as your own personal property?

See, you cant get a patent for just a theory or idea.
IDK what else your dumb ass requires for this subject.

You can for a design, a sequence of musical notes or the combination of chemicals. Why?

 

[Lesh]

I don’t agree with seizing drug patents but don’t agree with extending them indefinitely either
There is no reason Insulin should cost so much

THESE patents were for drugs developed with public funds

 

[dblack]

THESE patents were for drugs developed with public funds

Then they should have stipulated, in the program that offers them that money, that all resulting patents would be held by the government. Did they do that?

 

[dblack]

That is merely a recitation of current law. If we changed the law then it wouldnt be private property. I'm trying to discuss the philosophy and reasoning behind the law. Why should you be allowed to claim ideas as your own personal property?

You can for a design, a sequence of musical notes or the combination of chemicals. Why?

It's a reasonable question. I think there are some good answers, but it's worth discussing.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You apparently dont know what that means. Thats ok, too. As I said, we really dont expect too much from you, troll.

Have your tantrum and slither away, as you always do.

yawn

OR

Put on your big girl panties and deal with this fact:

*and a Supreme Court that can delineate nonenumerated powers ( and rights)

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

i don't think so. don't they pray and get blessed and such or take whatever medicine is laying around the barn?

No. They go to the doctor. Or, since we are a country of morons who shill for profit motive Healthcare, they go to the ER.

 

[dblack]

*and a Supreme Court that can delineate nonenumerated powers.

LOL "nonenumerated powers".