You Want to Understand Black Americans’ Solidarity With Palestine?

[jwoodie]

No, that is not the solution.

So what is the "solution?" Please be specific.

 

[IM2]

So what is the "solution?" Please be specific.

Why do whites like you pretend you don't know the solution?

 

[USAF 2023]

So once the information was known about the Hamas massacre, immediately the racist right wing media produced a story about a member of BLM and members of color in congress voicing support for Palestine. In the effort to maintain white supremacy by trying to get the government to declare all non whites who oppose the system of white supremacy in America terrorists, or as enemies of America, I have seens a lie posted by various "colorblind, never seeing race, democrats only use race," Republicans about black support for Hamas. Support for Palestine is not support for Hamas. Every Palestinian is not a member of Hamas. So here is an article from the black perspective, because it seems that members of the right in this forum either do not have an understanding that the experience of blacks and whites in America is an example of polar opposites or don't want to recognize this reality.

You Want to Understand Black Americans’ Solidarity With Palestine?
Black Americans know colonization when we see it
If you’re wondering why some Black Americans have expressed solidarity with Palestinian people in Gaza, you should consider this slice of American history, ranging from the final years of chattel slavery until the early days of the Reconstruction era. Abraham Lincoln, the country’s 16th President, who signed the Emancipation Proclamation, didn’t have a modernist view of racial equality that many would imagine. Most notably, Lincoln said, “I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races — that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermingling with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which will ever forbid the two races living together on terms of… political equality.” Yikes. Despite Lincoln agreeing that slavery should be abolished, he did not believe Black people could ever coexist in America with White people, a notion many endorsed at the time.

In 1856, Linccon became a member of the American Colonization Society. Those who joined this organization shared Lincoln’s belief that Black people could not co-exist in America as equals to White people. After all, they reasoned, since Europeans forcibly removed Black Americans from their homelands in West and Central Africa, that is where they should return. This idea was presented as an alternative or a condition of abolition; they wanted to force Black Americans to migrate, to leave the country they were born in, which they fought to secure. By 1822, the American Colonization Society successfully established a West African colony. While the creation of this colony displaced and disrupted Indigenous tribes, by 1847, this land “became the independent nation of Libera.”

When local indigenous tribes vehemently resisted initial attempts to purchase land to establish this colony, a “Navy officer in charge, Lieutenant Robert Stockton, coerced a local ruler to sell a strip of land to the Society,” which gave them the leverage to solidify the colony, and ultimately spread its original borders. While Indigenous tribes continued to attack the new colony, they “built fortifications for protections,” and the capital of Liberia, Monrovia, was named to honor President James Monroe, a man who enslaved at least one hundred and seventy-eight African people in America. What does this have to do with Palestine, you may be asking?

Now, to the matter between Israel and Palestine.

According to AJ+ News, a platform that uses digital storytelling to promote “human rights and equality, holding power to account, and amplifying the voices of the powerless,” posted a video explaining that “Israel and Gaza are not two countries at war. Gaza is a territory under siege, where every aspect of life is controlled by Israel.” This sounds very similar to how White Southerners sought to control Black Americans after chattel slavery ended by creating Jim Crow laws, or Black Codes, that cast them as second-class citizens and limited their sociopolitical power and upward mobility.

Adam Hamze wrote in a 2016 Huff Post article there are ten things Palestinians can’t do because of the Israeli Occupation. Some of the most disturbing points Hamze mentioned were that Palestinians in Gaza “can’t control the flow of goods and supplies” or even “control their access to water.” Additionally, Palestinians are not free to travel across borders and or have “the same due process rights of citizenship.”

Another shocking limitation is that Palestinians in Gaza are not “equally protected by labor laws and live under curfew, which doesn’t allow them to stay out late. “Gaza residents call their home the world’s largest open-air prison. Over 1.8 million people live here on just 365 square kilometers of land. The population of Gaza — two-thirds of them younger than 25 — live in one of the most densely populated places on earth.” When you intentionally deprive people of resources, poverty, and desperation blossom, and so do extremist groups, who exploit the fact that traditional methods of mediation have failed to recruit.

After a recent attack from Hamas, a terrorist organization that’s been at odds with other Palestinian leadership in the Gaza Strip, Israel has responded by declaring war.

“According to the United Nations, roughly 6,400 Palestinians and 300 Israelis have been killed in the ongoing conflict since 2008, not counting the recent fatalities.” Sadly, following any attempt to criticize Israeli policy, someone is bound to call you anti-Semitic. However, this is a false dichotomy. You can oppose Israeli Occupation and anti-semitism at the same time.

The majority of Blacks have been Antisemitic from the beginning of time and it has NOTHING to do with “ Palestine “ Just a FEW; Kanye West, LOUIS FARRAKHAN, the “ Black Hebrews” Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the very long list continues

 

[flacaltenn]

I have seens a lie posted by various "colorblind, never seeing race, democrats only use race," Republicans about black support for Hamas. Support for Palestine is not support for Hamas. Every Palestinian is not a member of Hamas.

you sound a lot less shrill when your beef isn't about events in 18th or 19th Century. That's the parallel dude between American Black and Palestinian movements. STICK TO the past couple generations to keep your grudges fresh and germane.

Fact is the Palestinians living with borders to Israel are the LUCKIEST damn Palestinians in this world. Go look at pictures of the city centers in the West Bank. In most other MidEast countries the Palis are STILL SCORNED and restricted to enter and the ones there live in walled camps. I've posted VOLUMES here about the standard of living the Palestinians in Palestine have compared to all the other "refugee camps" they are still stuck in Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, and others.

WORKING INSIDE ISRAEL proper -- West Bank Palestinians bring home about 15% or 20% of the GDP of Palestine from JOBS in Israel.

The GRIEVANCE squads always honor and attract the violence promoters. LIKE BLM. LIKE HAMAS and Hezbollah.

I've called out the media elsewhere for NOT REMEMBERING that in 2005 Israel TOTALLY CLEANSED GAZA of Jews and Jewish properties. 21 different Jewish settlements in Gaza were ORDERED vacated by Israel. And I want the WORLD to see how 3000 or so Jews were FORCED from their family homes -- their synagogues and homes RAZED to make Gaza "free of Jews" to turn over to the PaliAuthority. I want the world to see the pix of about 10% of those settlers being PHYSICALLY pulled by their own IDF military out of Gaza to make PEACE with Palestinians.

By the next year 2006, Fatah and the Pali Authority were in STREET COMBAT with Hamas over WHO ran Gaza. They were killing each other ownership of Gaza. That's a WHOLE lot more relevant than other battles over Gaza 200 or 400 or 800 years ago.


You dont have to go back to the 1800s to understand Israel/Pali news TODAY.,.. Unless you let the "Grievance Squads" like Hamas and BLM win,... AND -- even then they lose because it was NOT the same world back then.

You'd be a lot happier and productive FOCUSED on today and the future.

 

[USAF 2023]

Why do whites like you pretend you don't know the solution?

Now; THAT”S specific.

 

[toobfreak]

You Want to Understand Black Americans’ Solidarity With Palestine?​

Could not care less.

 

[IM2]

you sound a lot less shrill when your beef isn't about events in 18th or 19th Century. That's the parallel dude between American Black and Palestinian movements. STICK TO the past couple generations to hold grudges.

Fact is the Palestinians living with borders to Israel are the LUCKIEST damn Palestinians in this world. Go look at pictures of the city centers in the West Bank. In most other MidEast countries the Palis are STILL SCORNED and restricted to enter and the ones there live in walled camps. I've posted VOLUMES here about the standard of living the Palestinians in Palestine have in Palestine compared to all the other "refugee camps" they are still stuck in Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, and others.

WORKING inside INSIDE ISRAEL proper -- West Bank Palestinians bring home about 15% or 20% of the GDP of Palestine from JOBS in Israel.

The GRIEVANCE squads always honor and attract the violence promoters. LIKE BLM. LIKE HAMAS and Hezbollah. I've called out the media elsewhere for NOT REMEMBERING that in 2005 Israel TOTALLY CLEANSED GAZA of Jews and Jewish properties. 21 different Jewish settlements in Gaza were ORDERED vacated by Israel. And I want the WORLD to see how 3000 or so Jews were FORCED from their family homes -- their synagogues and home RAZED to make Gaza "free of Jews" to turn over to the PaliAuthority. I want the world to see the pix of about 10% of those settlers being PHYSICALLY pulled by their own IDF military out of Gaza to make PEACE with Palestinians.

By the next year 2006, Fatah and the Pali Authority were in STREET COMBAT with Hamas over WHO ran Gaza. They were killing each other ownership of Gaza.


You dont have to go back to the 1800s to understand Israel/Pali news TODAY.,.. Unless you let the "Grievance Squads" like Hamas and BLM win,... AND -- even then they lose because it was NOT the same world back then.

You'd be a lot happier and productive FOCUSED on today and the future.

Look son, America celebrates 1776 every year. So don't tell me what I should stick with. You fully understand the implications of the 1776 Revolution has for today. Only when things don't make whites to be the imaginary heroes you tell yourselves you are does somebody come up wiyh the that was in the past crap. As I understand that you're a Jew, you might want to look at your own checkered past in regard to this.

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

The premier's policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[IM2]

Could not care less.

Then don't post in this thread.

 

[IM2]

The majority of Blacks have been Antisemitic from the beginning of time and it has NOTHING to do with “ Palestine “ Just a FEW; Kanye West, LOUIS FARRAKHAN, the “ Black Hebrews” Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the very long list continues

Bullshit. There were Jews that owned, bred and sold slaves. Jews that practiced Jim Crow and there are anti black racist Jews today. A few post in this forum.

 

[toobfreak]

Then don't post in this thread.

You're in no position to dictate who posts.

 

[IM2]

You're in no position to dictate who posts.

Actually I am since I am the OP. So if you're not going to discuss the topic, don't post here. This ain't the FZ.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

No black 'solidarity' exists for Hamas.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

wrong. they simply understand how it is to live under (economic) opression.
you probably don't.

We have a bunch of black millionaires and we had a black president.
Care to try again?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

segregation was tried already.
it led to too many complaints.

Hmmmm.....
Than why do blacks push for segregation today?

 

[toobfreak]

Actually I am since I am the OP. So if you're not going to discuss the topic, don't post here. This ain't the FZ.

You're in no position to speak for blacks nor Palestinians. I'm not even sure you are in a position to speak for yourself. Blacks are leaving in droves for the Trump party. There is no solidarity with Hamas unless you side with rapists, killers and terrorists.

But funny how you claim solidarity with baby killers as a good thing yet when those J6 protesters protested against the oppression and injustice of a stolen election, you call them insurrectionists and traitors, so I guess that makes you worse than either one?

What do you side with most?

• A baby killer?
• A terrorist?
• An insurrectionist?
• Or just a traitor?

 

[USAF 2023]

Bullshit. There were Jews that owned, bred and sold slaves. Jews that practiced Jim Crow and there are anti black racist Jews today. A few post in this forum.

Typical NEGRO mentally Slavery started in the 1600’s . In 1840 there were only 15,000 Jews in the entire US and by 1860 it was approximately 150,000 Do you consider every post you don’t like Racist? Typical NEGRO mentality If I called you a COCKROACH, I suppose you would find that offensive

 

[USAF 2023]

You're in no position to dictate who posts.

Because he’s Black he thinks he can dictate the rules

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Jews owned slaves in the US before 1860: fact.

Blacks owned slaves in the US before 1860: fact.

Get over it, USAF 2023.

 

[MarathonMike]

So once the information was known about the Hamas massacre, immediately the racist right wing media produced a story about a member of BLM and members of color in congress voicing support for Palestine. In the effort to maintain white supremacy by trying to get the government to declare all non whites who oppose the system of white supremacy in America terrorists, or as enemies of America, I have seens a lie posted by various "colorblind, never seeing race, democrats only use race," Republicans about black support for Hamas. Support for Palestine is not support for Hamas. Every Palestinian is not a member of Hamas. So here is an article from the black perspective, because it seems that members of the right in this forum either do not have an understanding that the experience of blacks and whites in America is an example of polar opposites or don't want to recognize this reality.

You Want to Understand Black Americans’ Solidarity With Palestine?
Black Americans know colonization when we see it
If you’re wondering why some Black Americans have expressed solidarity with Palestinian people in Gaza, you should consider this slice of American history, ranging from the final years of chattel slavery until the early days of the Reconstruction era. Abraham Lincoln, the country’s 16th President, who signed the Emancipation Proclamation, didn’t have a modernist view of racial equality that many would imagine. Most notably, Lincoln said, “I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races — that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermingling with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which will ever forbid the two races living together on terms of… political equality.” Yikes. Despite Lincoln agreeing that slavery should be abolished, he did not believe Black people could ever coexist in America with White people, a notion many endorsed at the time.

In 1856, Linccon became a member of the American Colonization Society. Those who joined this organization shared Lincoln’s belief that Black people could not co-exist in America as equals to White people. After all, they reasoned, since Europeans forcibly removed Black Americans from their homelands in West and Central Africa, that is where they should return. This idea was presented as an alternative or a condition of abolition; they wanted to force Black Americans to migrate, to leave the country they were born in, which they fought to secure. By 1822, the American Colonization Society successfully established a West African colony. While the creation of this colony displaced and disrupted Indigenous tribes, by 1847, this land “became the independent nation of Libera.”

When local indigenous tribes vehemently resisted initial attempts to purchase land to establish this colony, a “Navy officer in charge, Lieutenant Robert Stockton, coerced a local ruler to sell a strip of land to the Society,” which gave them the leverage to solidify the colony, and ultimately spread its original borders. While Indigenous tribes continued to attack the new colony, they “built fortifications for protections,” and the capital of Liberia, Monrovia, was named to honor President James Monroe, a man who enslaved at least one hundred and seventy-eight African people in America. What does this have to do with Palestine, you may be asking?

Now, to the matter between Israel and Palestine.

According to AJ+ News, a platform that uses digital storytelling to promote “human rights and equality, holding power to account, and amplifying the voices of the powerless,” posted a video explaining that “Israel and Gaza are not two countries at war. Gaza is a territory under siege, where every aspect of life is controlled by Israel.” This sounds very similar to how White Southerners sought to control Black Americans after chattel slavery ended by creating Jim Crow laws, or Black Codes, that cast them as second-class citizens and limited their sociopolitical power and upward mobility.

Adam Hamze wrote in a 2016 Huff Post article there are ten things Palestinians can’t do because of the Israeli Occupation. Some of the most disturbing points Hamze mentioned were that Palestinians in Gaza “can’t control the flow of goods and supplies” or even “control their access to water.” Additionally, Palestinians are not free to travel across borders and or have “the same due process rights of citizenship.”

Another shocking limitation is that Palestinians in Gaza are not “equally protected by labor laws and live under curfew, which doesn’t allow them to stay out late. “Gaza residents call their home the world’s largest open-air prison. Over 1.8 million people live here on just 365 square kilometers of land. The population of Gaza — two-thirds of them younger than 25 — live in one of the most densely populated places on earth.” When you intentionally deprive people of resources, poverty, and desperation blossom, and so do extremist groups, who exploit the fact that traditional methods of mediation have failed to recruit.

After a recent attack from Hamas, a terrorist organization that’s been at odds with other Palestinian leadership in the Gaza Strip, Israel has responded by declaring war.

“According to the United Nations, roughly 6,400 Palestinians and 300 Israelis have been killed in the ongoing conflict since 2008, not counting the recent fatalities.” Sadly, following any attempt to criticize Israeli policy, someone is bound to call you anti-Semitic. However, this is a false dichotomy. You can oppose Israeli Occupation and anti-semitism at the same time.

Y'all hate Jews, and Muslims hate Jews so you have a common enemy. Next.

 

[IM2]

We have a bunch of black millionaires and we had a black president.
Care to try again?

Actually blacks have 2.7 percent of the wealth and so all those black millionaires are imaginary.

And are you talking about the black president who 53 percent of whites voted against on average in both elections?

Care to try again?