You want a solution?

[P F Tinmore]

Demolishing houses is wrong.

So is demolishing office towers.

The Palestinians did that?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Demolishing houses is wrong. It is criminal. It is immoral. Only extremist zionists excuse, justify and try to explain why this is acceptable.

Building houses illegally is criminal. And immoral. Only extremists would excuse, justify and try to explain why not following laws is acceptable.

You don't want to actually examine the issues. You just want to paint Jews as evil. Stop it. Let's look at the issue.

Building houses illegally is criminal.

Since when do foreign assholes determine what is illegal?

 

[fncceo]

Since when do foreign assholes determine what is illegal?

Like people who constantly harp and gripe about what is legal or not in a country in which they've never stood, about which they have no knowledge, and of whose people they have nothing but contempt?

Do you mean THOSE foreign arseholes?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Since when do foreign assholes determine what is illegal?

Like people who constantly harp and gripe about what is legal or not in a country in which they've never stood, about which they have no knowledge, and of whose people they have nothing but contempt?

Do you mean THOSE foreign arseholes?

No, I mean the foreign assholes who are not Palestinians imposing their laws on Palestine.

 

[Shusha]

Since when do foreign assholes determine what is illegal?

Since Area C came under Israel's legal control through the Oslo Accords. (Yeah, yeah, I know. You are going to argue that the Oslo Accords somehow "don't count" for some bizarre and twisted reason having to do with Arab Palestine's lack of agency or ability to sign treaties.)

 

[Shusha]

P F Tinmore

You are going to argue that Israel has no right to impose laws anywhere. You have no legal ground upon which to stand. Like it or not Israel is an established, recognized government and nation and it has full rights (just like any other government) to establish laws. The only question is where.

 

[fncceo]

imposing their laws on Palestine.

Tell me, where is this mythical land of Palestine? Might it be a land of unicorns and fairies like so many other fabled but non-existent places?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore

You are going to argue that Israel has no right to impose laws anywhere. You have no legal ground upon which to stand. Like it or not Israel is an established, recognized government and nation and it has full rights (just like any other government) to establish laws. The only question is where.

Standard Israeli bullshit, of course. Israel has no sovereignty there.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

P F Tinmore

You are going to argue that Israel has no right to impose laws anywhere. You have no legal ground upon which to stand. Like it or not Israel is an established, recognized government and nation and it has full rights (just like any other government) to establish laws. The only question is where.

Standard Israeli bullshit, of course. Israel has no sovereignty there.

Yes, but you also don't believe that Israel can impose a law on Tel-Aviv. As long as you hold those views, your opinions about the West Bank or Gaza have no validity.

 

[abi]

You can't cross borders and tell the locals what their laws are. This is the stupidest of all the propaganda I have seen promoted here thus far. That and Palestinians don't exist. As they bulldoze their homes.

When the narrative is not supported by fact, change the narrative... not the facts.

 

[P F Tinmore]

imposing their laws on Palestine.

Tell me, where is this mythical land of Palestine? Might it be a land of unicorns and fairies like so many other fabled but non-existent places?

Some people did not get Israel's memo.

 

[Shusha]

You can't cross borders and tell the locals what their laws are.

Really? What border? Tell me EXACTLY which land belongs to "Israel" and which land belongs to "Arab Palestine". What legal instrument delineates the border between Israel and Arab Palestine? Name it and quote the passage.

 

[Shusha]

P F Tinmore

Why are you agreeing with abi? She says there is a border between Israel and Arab Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore

Why are you agreeing with abi? She says there is a border between Israel and Arab Palestine.

Indeed there is not. So where does Israel begin?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

imposing their laws on Palestine.

Tell me, where is this mythical land of Palestine? Might it be a land of unicorns and fairies like so many other fabled but non-existent places?

Some people did not get Israel's memo.

These videos are from 2014. Now it is 2017.

 

[fncceo]

Indeed there is not. So where does Israel begin?

Let's start here ... and go from there.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Indeed there is not. So where does Israel begin?

Let's start here ... and go from there.

The Zionist pipe dream map.

 

[Shusha]

P F Tinmore

Why are you agreeing with abi? She says there is a border between Israel and Arab Palestine.

Indeed there is not. So where does Israel begin?

At the border it has by TREATY with Jordan. And the border it has by TREATY with Egypt. And at the border it has by TREATY according to the Mandate for Palestine. And at the border it has by TREATY with the representative government of the Palestinian people at Gaza, and Areas A and B.

 

[Shusha]

If I can possibly engage people into a higher level of conversation about this topic, I would be most grateful. Coyote ? Humanity ?

The crux of the problem with respect to building and demolition is this: Who holds sovereignty over that individual slice of land and therefore which laws should apply there? (The answer in ALL cases is that the interim agreement between Israel and the interim government of Arab Palestine mutually agreed by treaty grants Israel the rights to impose her sovereignty over the land under discussion until final negotiations result in a new treaty. That is the law, plain and simple.)

However, let's look at this from a political perspective. Arab Palestine is in no practical position to impose its sovereignty anywhere in Area C except at the outskirts where Areas A or B leak into it -- which the Israeli government is perfectly happy to accommodate. Further, Arab Palestine is in no practical position to provide services to the people of those areas. Nor do they appear to have the desire.

Israel, then, for the moment, has all practical control over these areas. Israel is in a position of unilateral decision making. What should Israel decide to do?

Annex the territory and treat the citizens like Israelis?

Cede the territory to Arab Palestine and wash her hands of it?

Continue with the status quo?

 

[Shusha]

Demolishing houses is wrong. It is criminal. It is immoral.

And, just to point out your toxic hypocrisy once again -- if demolishing homes is wrong, criminal and immoral you CAN NOT call for the dismantling of Jewish "settlements". Which you have done.

Again. One rule for Jews and one for Arabs. What was that word again? Starts with "a"....?