CDZ You wanna stop gun violence?

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    FWIW, I saw the opening clause in the essay and wondered whether mass shootings occur frequently enough to be considered "routine." After all, the only ones I knew about were the ones that make it onto the national news.

    Surprisingly, it turns out there were almost 480 mass shootings in the U.S. in 2016. We're at 344 for 2017, seven of which occurred since Paddock killed nearly 60 people in Las Vegas.

    That's an average of more than one mass shooting per day! Dear, God! I shudder to think of the list of routine "bad things" that occur and that don't happen even once a day and we are more committed to bringing them to a halt, one way or another.
     
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    No...individual violence by our criminal class is more violent. Government sponsored violence in Europe is their way....and it has murdered far more people than our street thugs have.
     
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    that list includes gang members shooting other gang members at parties and dice games, and over girlfriends and facebook insults......no one considers those Mass Public shootings when they hear the term.....

    As to the Vegas shooter....he murdered 58 people with 2 rifles.....the guy in Nice, France murdered 89 people with a rental truck....and French terrorists on government terrorist watch lists got completely banned and illegal, fully automatic rifles, and murdered over 130 people....

    the criminal activity, and domestic violence are not considered mass shootings...anti gunners have to include them in their total...because the actual total, as listed by Mother Jones, an anti gun, left wing source, has the mass public shooting number for 2016 at 6....with 71 murdered that year...here is the list of actual, mass public shootings....

    Notice the comparison between mass public shooting deaths and other types of death...

    Number of mass public shootings.....

    2016.....6
    2015.....7
    2014.....4
    2013.....5
    2012.....7
    2011.....3
    2010.....1
    2009....4

    So you see......they aren't common, and compared to other ways of dying...mass public shootings are not a problem.....and would be less of a problem if we got rid of gun free zones...

    US Mass Shootings, 1982-2017: Data From Mother Jones’ Investigation – Mother Jones
    US Mass Shootings, 1982-2016: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation



    How many deaths on average according to Mother Jones...anti gun, uber left wing Mother Jones.......each year, well less than 73.

    2016.....71

    2015......37
    2014..... 9
    2013..... 36
    2012..... 72
    2011..... 19
    2010....9
    2009...39
    2008...18
    2007...54
    2006...21
    2005...17
    2004...5
    2003...7
    2002...not listed by mother jones
    2001...5
    2000...7
    1999...42 ( Columbine)
    1998...14
    1997...9
    1996...6
    1995...6
    1994...5
    1993...23
    1992...9
    1991...35 (Looby's cafe)
    1990...10
    1989...15
    1988...7
    1987...6
    1984...28
    1983...none listed
    1982...8

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

    https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/leading_causes_death.html

    Cars, Accidental deaths 2015......36,161

    Poisons...accidental deaths 2015...47,478

    gravity....accidental falling deaths 2015...33,381
    Accidental drowning 2015 .....3,602
    Accidental suffocation 2015...6,914
    Accidental Machiinery 2015... 550

    Accidental gun death 2015... 489
     
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    Since I'm overweight, eating the pop tart might kill me.
     
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    lol
     
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    Looking at the question of whether the opening premise in the OP is accurate, one must address a few main things:
    1. Define "mass shooting" -- As it turns out, there is no legal definition for that term. There are quite a few, all falling somewhere on the spectrum having "endpoints" of:
    2. Reconcile normatively the definition one chooses with one's principles about the sanctity of extant lives and a person's right not to, by another human being, have their life involuntarily ended or altered.
    3. Reconcile positively the definition one chooses with the facts of human psychology and sociology, that is, human nature and human behavior, both as individuals and as members of groups.
    4. Given one's principles regarding life's sanctity and human psychology, identify courses of action that align unequivocally with them, both in terms of guns and so-called gun rights and in terms of one's stance on the sanctity of a person's life.
    At the end of the day, the so-called gun debate isn't about guns or gun rights. It's not about whether there be mass or single shootings. It's about the value one places on the lives of extant persons and the extent to which one embraces the notion that a society, one's own, establish mores, modes and means by which one person is permitted to use their very existence, in concert with a device having as its primary purpose killing and injuring, as a foundation for ending or impeding that of another person.
     
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    The cognitive dissonance here is that left wing muppets worship Hollywood morality and social engineering, which of course makes abusing firearms and glorifying mindless violence a major profit center, thinks of abortion on demand as merely a medical procedure similar to having a wart removed, endorses and romanticizes black gang violence and BLM vermin, makes heroes out of street thugs, etc., etc., anything which desensitizes people and normalizes psychotic behavior and mindless self-indulgence, then out of the other sides of their mouths whine and cry about the NRA, the military, and 'gun violence' .... Their own insipid juvenile Kulturekampf is largely responsible, but of course they can't admit this, and besides, they're mostly amoral sociopaths anyway. Hate to burst their bubbles but it isn't the NRA that is the problem, kiddies.
     
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    How long do you think "Hollywood" would continue to peddle this stuff if few people bought it? It is not "Hollywood's" fault this is so pervasive, at least not entirely. Similarly, how long do you think Ford, GM, Dodge, etc. would continue to peddle vehicles few people bought? Not very long, I should say. No, let us put the blame where it belongs. "We the People" are demanding it, and "Hollywood", being smart businesses, provides it. Pure and simple, we stop buying, they will stop producing it. So, it is "We the People" who are to blame. Want to do your part? Stop buying this stuff. Simple to say, not so simple to do.
     
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    Replace "American" with "human" and I would wholeheartedly agree.
     

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