Ravi
Diamond Member
No, the heat thing is cruel and unusual punishment. If there is a God, Joe will burn in hell.
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That is a fallacy, but so is saying that the AZ inmates are living in inhumane conditions.
No, that's an opinion not a fallacy.
No it's not , there are specific things that must be met to reach a level of inhumane treatment. Either you meet those standards or you don't.
Come on, you're not usually one to call ridiculous statements from one side , but not the other.
Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona), ...........Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, .........................!
I WOULD NOT SUPPORT HIM, because he MADE a woman arrested but not tried yet,
wear handcuffs during the delivery of her child....while going through labor and delivery....sheesh!
the man is sadistic, and gets off on it....imo.
some of the other things he has done, i would agree with, but some of them i don't.
If it actually happened (the woman has alleged it occured), it is a quite common practice throughout the U.S.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/02/national/02shackles.html?_r=2&oref=slogin
No, that's an opinion not a fallacy.
No it's not , there are specific things that must be met to reach a level of inhumane treatment. Either you meet those standards or you don't.
Come on, you're not usually one to call ridiculous statements from one side , but not the other.
I don't think it's a ridiculous statement. Whether or not they are treated humanely or not is something that can be legitimately debated and expressing one's opinion as to whether or not that is so is not an example of a "fallacy."
No, the heat thing is cruel and unusual punishment. If there is a God, Joe will burn in hell.
No it's not , there are specific things that must be met to reach a level of inhumane treatment. Either you meet those standards or you don't.
Come on, you're not usually one to call ridiculous statements from one side , but not the other.
I don't think it's a ridiculous statement. Whether or not they are treated humanely or not is something that can be legitimately debated and expressing one's opinion as to whether or not that is so is not an example of a "fallacy."
Well, certainly then Art you would have to concede that what constitutes the lap of luxury is a matter of opinion and not a fallacy.
Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona), who created the 'Tent City Jail,' has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.
He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails, took away their weights, and cut off all but 'G' movies.
He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects
Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.
He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up cable TV again and only let in The Disney Channel and The Weather Channel..
He cut out coffee since it has zero nutritional value. When the inmates complained, he told them, 'This isn't the Ritz-Carlton . . if you don't like it, don't come back.'
With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees, a new record), the Associated Press reports: About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed-wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.
On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week before.
Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collected on their chests and dripped down to their PINK SOCKS.
'It feels like we are in a furnace,' said James Zanzot, an inmate who has lived in the TENTS for 1 year. 'It's inhumane.'
Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates: 'It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths!
I don't think it's a ridiculous statement. Whether or not they are treated humanely or not is something that can be legitimately debated and expressing one's opinion as to whether or not that is so is not an example of a "fallacy."
Well, certainly then Art you would have to concede that what constitutes the lap of luxury is a matter of opinion and not a fallacy.
No, I wouldn't.
What he did is called "begging the question" which is a common logical fallacy.
He claimed that because I think the troops have much better living conditions and lifestyles than the prisoners that I also think the prisoners should live a life of luxury.
Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona), who created the 'Tent City Jail,' has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.
He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails, took away their weights, and cut off all but 'G' movies.
He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects
Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.
He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up cable TV again and only let in The Disney Channel and The Weather Channel..
He cut out coffee since it has zero nutritional value. When the inmates complained, he told them, 'This isn't the Ritz-Carlton . . if you don't like it, don't come back.'
With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees, a new record), the Associated Press reports: About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed-wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.
On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week before.
Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collected on their chests and dripped down to their PINK SOCKS.
'It feels like we are in a furnace,' said James Zanzot, an inmate who has lived in the TENTS for 1 year. 'It's inhumane.'
Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates: 'It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths!
Well, certainly then Art you would have to concede that what constitutes the lap of luxury is a matter of opinion and not a fallacy.
No, I wouldn't.
What he did is called "begging the question" which is a common logical fallacy.
He claimed that because I think the troops have much better living conditions and lifestyles than the prisoners that I also think the prisoners should live a life of luxury.
Well, that would certainly be a strawman argument but isn't how I read it at all.
No, I wouldn't.
What he did is called "begging the question" which is a common logical fallacy.
He claimed that because I think the troops have much better living conditions and lifestyles than the prisoners that I also think the prisoners should live a life of luxury.
Well, that would certainly be a strawman argument but isn't how I read it at all.
Begging the question and the strawman are both very similar and either one works in this case.
no, cause he lacks compassion and is not doing society any favor by treating these people as less than human. i would not put an animal in the conditions that he houses humans in. simple as that
i hate our troops are in any foreign country dying
So its ok for our troops but not for criminals.
Sorry but while our troops may be out in the same heat that these guys are in they are not treated the same way nor do they have the same lifestyle. Not by a longshot.
Of course not. The guy is an animal, pandering to the John Wayne law and order types that infest the lunatic fringes of our society.