Would You Support A Sheriff Like Joe Arpaio in Your Town?

[Ravi]

No, the heat thing is cruel and unusual punishment. If there is a God, Joe will burn in hell.

 

[Article 15]

That is a fallacy, but so is saying that the AZ inmates are living in inhumane conditions.

No, that's an opinion not a fallacy.

No it's not , there are specific things that must be met to reach a level of inhumane treatment. Either you meet those standards or you don't.

Come on, you're not usually one to call ridiculous statements from one side , but not the other.

I don't think it's a ridiculous statement. Whether or not they are treated humanely or not is something that can be legitimately debated and expressing one's opinion as to whether or not that is so is not an example of a "fallacy."

 

[nraforlife]

Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona), ...........Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, .........................!

He is also a corrupt criminal political thug.

 

[Care4all]

I WOULD NOT SUPPORT HIM, because he MADE a woman arrested but not tried yet,

wear handcuffs during the delivery of her child....while going through labor and delivery....sheesh!

the man is sadistic, and gets off on it....imo.

some of the other things he has done, i would agree with, but some of them i don't.

If it actually happened (the woman has alleged it occured), it is a quite common practice throughout the U.S.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/02/national/02shackles.html?_r=2&oref=slogin

i don't agree with the practice of this, and would never want to have the sheriff in my region doing such....it IS INHUMANE in my humble opinion, and the woman in his district had not even gone to court and been tried for the offense he was holding her for....if the reported story is true.

 

[Mini 14]

Yes, I would support him.

110%.

 

[ConHog]

No, that's an opinion not a fallacy.

No it's not , there are specific things that must be met to reach a level of inhumane treatment. Either you meet those standards or you don't.

Come on, you're not usually one to call ridiculous statements from one side , but not the other.

I don't think it's a ridiculous statement. Whether or not they are treated humanely or not is something that can be legitimately debated and expressing one's opinion as to whether or not that is so is not an example of a "fallacy."

Well, certainly then Art you would have to concede that what constitutes the lap of luxury is a matter of opinion and not a fallacy.

 

[nraforlife]

WHY ARPAIO'S GOTTA' GO

.......................Pink Underwear, Potato Chips, a Pension and a Penthouse Suite
Between 1995 and 1999 Arpaio’s deputies were reporting that tens of thousands of dollars in cash, raised from the sale of souvenir boxer shorts, were disappearing in the office of Arpaio’s Chief Deputy David Hendershott. Hendershott, who was solely responsible for the management of this money, is Arpaio’s closest ally and second in command. Arpaio refuses to investigate the allegations.

But the 40,000 dollars in missing underwear money is small potatoes in comparison to the commissary budget. For most prisoners a 2000 calorie a day diet (including ketchup packets) doesn’t hit the spot. As a result Arpaio runs a commissary where inmates can purchase snacks and treats at highly inflated prices. The inmate patronage creates profits in Arpaio’s commissaries to the tune of 6 million dollars a year. This handsome sum goes entirely unaccounted for because Arpaio refuses to release the public records detailing the use of these profits despite laws requiring him to do so. In September 2004 The Phoenix New Times filed suit against the MCSO. But Arpaio apparently has the support of the local judges because in August 2005 Superior Court Judge Michael D. Jones ruled MCSO officials had not acted in bad faith when they refused to release the records.

Perhaps Arpaio and Henderschott spent all of their commissary and underwear income on real-estate. This however, is impossible to prove, since all of Arpaio and Hendershott’s public real-estate records have also been sealed (with the exception of two properties worth approximately 690,000 which Arpaio purchased with cash). Arpaio claims he seals his real-estate records because of all the death threats he receives, an unlikely but sufficient excuse.

In 1999, Hendershott was retired and given a 51,000 dollar a year peace-officer pension. Hendershott was then re-hired the same day for the same position, as a civilian, and was allowed to keep his retirement. This impropriety scored Arpaio a scathing front page report in the Arizona Republic but this did nothing to deter him from the obvious act of favoritism.

Add the estimated 80 plus million dollars in civil lawsuits to the 40,000 dollars from the pink underwear sales, the 6 million dollars a year from the commissary budget, the hundreds of thousands of dollars wasted on the purchase/maintenance of toys like a .50 caliber machine gun, an armored personnel carrier, a full sized tank, a 70,000 dollar armored Crown Victoria, and a lavish 800,000 dollar a year penthouse office atop the lofty Wells Fargo building (apparently the view from the county provided office isn’t sufficient) and you have a staggering sum; a sum that cannot be paid by further reducing the inmates’ caloric intake....................................

Sheriff Arpaio Pink Underware

 

[ConHog]

No, the heat thing is cruel and unusual punishment. If there is a God, Joe will burn in hell.

Ravi, you have to be the absolute stupidest , most hypocritical person ever, and I mean EVER.

You gripe about the heat and yet turn right around and say someone else should go spend eternity in even worse heat.



By the way, there are BILLIONS of people living in the world without A/C. They survive just fine., but your dumb ass probably thinks A/C is a right "given" to you by the COTUS.

 

[peach174]

A whole bunch of us here in Az. go camping in tents during the summer, and we do it for fun!!
And we do have fun and enjoy it.
In other words, it's not that bad in tents during the summer- if you don't live here- then yea you might have a heat stroke.

 

[Article 15]

No it's not , there are specific things that must be met to reach a level of inhumane treatment. Either you meet those standards or you don't.

Come on, you're not usually one to call ridiculous statements from one side , but not the other.

I don't think it's a ridiculous statement. Whether or not they are treated humanely or not is something that can be legitimately debated and expressing one's opinion as to whether or not that is so is not an example of a "fallacy."

Well, certainly then Art you would have to concede that what constitutes the lap of luxury is a matter of opinion and not a fallacy.

No, I wouldn't.

What he did is called "begging the question" which is a common logical fallacy.

He claimed that because I think the troops have much better living conditions and lifestyles than the prisoners that I also think the prisoners should live a life of luxury.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona), who created the 'Tent City Jail,' has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.

He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails, took away their weights, and cut off all but 'G' movies.

He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects

Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.

He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up cable TV again and only let in The Disney Channel and The Weather Channel..

He cut out coffee since it has zero nutritional value. When the inmates complained, he told them, 'This isn't the Ritz-Carlton . . if you don't like it, don't come back.'


With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees, a new record), the Associated Press reports: About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed-wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.
On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week before.
Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collected on their chests and dripped down to their PINK SOCKS.
'It feels like we are in a furnace,' said James Zanzot, an inmate who has lived in the TENTS for 1 year. 'It's inhumane.'

Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates: 'It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths!

No.

 

[ConHog]

I don't think it's a ridiculous statement. Whether or not they are treated humanely or not is something that can be legitimately debated and expressing one's opinion as to whether or not that is so is not an example of a "fallacy."

Well, certainly then Art you would have to concede that what constitutes the lap of luxury is a matter of opinion and not a fallacy.

No, I wouldn't.

What he did is called "begging the question" which is a common logical fallacy.

He claimed that because I think the troops have much better living conditions and lifestyles than the prisoners that I also think the prisoners should live a life of luxury.

Well, that would certainly be a strawman argument but isn't how I read it at all.

 

[syrenn]

Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona), who created the 'Tent City Jail,' has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.

He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails, took away their weights, and cut off all but 'G' movies.

He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects

Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.

He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up cable TV again and only let in The Disney Channel and The Weather Channel..

He cut out coffee since it has zero nutritional value. When the inmates complained, he told them, 'This isn't the Ritz-Carlton . . if you don't like it, don't come back.'


With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees, a new record), the Associated Press reports: About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed-wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.
On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week before.
Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collected on their chests and dripped down to their PINK SOCKS.
'It feels like we are in a furnace,' said James Zanzot, an inmate who has lived in the TENTS for 1 year. 'It's inhumane.'

Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates: 'It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths!

Yes, he would have my support!

 

[Article 15]

Well, certainly then Art you would have to concede that what constitutes the lap of luxury is a matter of opinion and not a fallacy.

No, I wouldn't.

What he did is called "begging the question" which is a common logical fallacy.

He claimed that because I think the troops have much better living conditions and lifestyles than the prisoners that I also think the prisoners should live a life of luxury.

Well, that would certainly be a strawman argument but isn't how I read it at all.

Begging the question and the strawman are both very similar and either one works in this case.

 

[ConHog]

No, I wouldn't.

What he did is called "begging the question" which is a common logical fallacy.

He claimed that because I think the troops have much better living conditions and lifestyles than the prisoners that I also think the prisoners should live a life of luxury.

Well, that would certainly be a strawman argument but isn't how I read it at all.

Begging the question and the strawman are both very similar and either one works in this case.

Eh, either way, has nothing to do with this topic. There is noway this guy treats his prisoners inhumanely as some claim.

 

[SFC Ollie]

no, cause he lacks compassion and is not doing society any favor by treating these people as less than human. i would not put an animal in the conditions that he houses humans in. simple as that

i hate our troops are in any foreign country dying

So its ok for our troops but not for criminals.

Sorry but while our troops may be out in the same heat that these guys are in they are not treated the same way nor do they have the same lifestyle. Not by a longshot.

That is true, our troops have no choice but to work for a living and place their lives on the line every moment of every day. The guys in Sheriff Joe's jail just have to sit in their pretty pink undies and suffer the heat. At least the guys in jail aren't being shot at.

 

[George Costanza]

Of course not. The guy is an animal, pandering to the John Wayne law and order types that infest the lunatic fringes of our society.

 

[ConHog]

Of course not. The guy is an animal, pandering to the John Wayne law and order types that infest the lunatic fringes of our society.

Give specific example of him being an animal. Not just your partisan BS, specifically tell us things he has done that let's say violate prisoner's civil rights.

 

[SFC Ollie]

100% support. Sheriff Joe for President.

I wonder what congress would look like in pink?

 

[Madeline]

Look, froggy, the sherriff runs a county jail, not a state prison. The people confined there are either awaiting trial or sentencing, or else their sentences are less than one year. I've heard the claims that Arpagio is corrupt before, and some of them seem credible. Whether you believe them or not, I don't quite see the point of inhumane treatment.

If you'd like to discuss a change in prisoners' rights laws and rulings, I'm good with that. There definately are abuses. But I'm more concerned with order and safety -- for everyone -- at a county jail.

And I know I'd die in those tents.