Would you support a 50% cut in Welfare to help the Economy?

[TakeAStepBack]

The LOLberal thinking here si that welfare recipients create jobs by spending other people's money. So the idea is that if the recipients stop receiving, they will spend less and this will cause a contraction in industry that will shock demand for things like cigs, beer and cocoa puffs. And lotto tickets. In some ways they are right, where they fail is that this demand cycle is artificial and therefore, needs to be corrected. Even if the short term reaction is a sharp recession.

 

[4Horsemen]

Make the most vulnerable suffer even more! Yeah, right the phuk on!

How in hell is anyone going to be able to sufficiently decide who is really in need enough to remain in the fifty percent who are helped? Or is it just 50% off for everyone, a 'flat tax' on poverty?

If 'the rich' pay more, they will still have more than enough (some might say too much).

If the poor have less, they won't eat!

America, the richest and most powerful country in history, would be that barbaric?

Why not just forgive all private debt and 'reset'?

The claim of Odious Debt. I like this idea, I'm all for it, but it's just not enough
REAL MEN in Washington to make it happen. Too many spineless pussies that would be bumped off systematically.

aka killed. the CFR and FED ain't having that.

Odious debt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Nosmo King]

I hear the peanut gallery chirping about "taxing the rich" all damn day long. just echoing Obama spin talk.

But what about cutting funding on Welfare by 50% to help boost the Economy? would any of you support that?

Or what about limiting Welfare benefits to only those that show proof that they are unable to work for a time being. (ie-just got outta the hospital, car accident/injury, etc...)

Because if the lazy squatter assholes on welfare don't get of their asses soon, we're all gonna eat it..

Damn taxing the rich. get more bodies in the workforce, problem solved. why all the lazy talk and "I can't do"..???

Whatever happen to YES WE CAN your Dear leader preached 24/7 ????

You know, about 70% of that 47% Romney bitches about are Republian white males. This rural county is full of them. They are overweight, older, and generally on some form of disability. Or, they are "farmers" that live quite well from government subsidy checks.

As a liberal, I am good with eliminating "welfare" because it only serves to perpetuate a brutal, heartless, primitive capitalist economic system. Let's rip the scab off and fix the wound.

JOBS! even for the rich! Let EVERYONE earn their way.

A squatting loser asshole is a Squatting loser asshole no matter what color they are.

Majority of Welfare recipients are poor whites anyway. so they can't say shit but get off they ass and get to work!

Where? work where? whenever a self righteous ignoramus calls for the end of welfare with the simplistic solution "get a job" I have to wonder if they know if there are jobs to be had? It must feel fantastic to be judgmental and ignorant of truths all at once. Like being anesthetized.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Make the most vulnerable suffer even more! Yeah, right the phuk on!

How in hell is anyone going to be able to sufficiently decide who is really in need enough to remain in the fifty percent who are helped? Or is it just 50% off for everyone, a 'flat tax' on poverty?

If 'the rich' pay more, they will still have more than enough (some might say too much).

If the poor have less, they won't eat!

America, the richest and most powerful country in history, would be that barbaric?

Why not just forgive all private debt and 'reset'?

The claim of Odious Debt. I like this idea, I'm all for it, but it's just not enough
REAL MEN in Washington to make it happen. Too many spineless pussies that would be bumped off systematically.

aka killed. the CFR and FED ain't having that.

Odious debt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Without any change in monetary policy, or govt. favoritism standards for large corps, etc...a reset in debt, even national debt will simply restart the problem again from scratch. This works out really well for the state, at the expense of the people.

 

[KissMy]

I know guys who manage big macro hedge funds. To a tee, not one single one of them believes cutting government spending will help the economy in the near. Every single one of them believes big government cuts will contract the economy in the near term, probably pushing the country into a recession if the cuts are deep enough. Most, however, believe spending must be cut to help the economy in the long run. They also believe taxes have to go up.

A good hard and short recession to clear out the bad and allow for the good to spring up.

Well then they should have let the entire banking system collapse in 2008 instead of bailing it out. All accounts were insured to $250K so everyone would have been protected to that level. Instead the government backed Wallstreet with $12.8 Trillion. $3 Trillion of that will never be paid back. Why do we have socialism for the rich?

 

[4Horsemen]

I go for cutting military spending 50%.

in the 80's-90's yes, in 2012 today, no. Obama/Bush2 have stirred up the crazies into a frenzy and we need all the weapons we can get built just in case.

but here are some areeas I would agree cutting:

1. Welfare (across the board. (from Corp. on down to the freeloaders)
2. Severely reduce the interest rate on what the FED is charging to loan us money.


#2 is worse than #1. the FED is milking this country dry just on interest alone off the money they loan us. Which is why I say abolish them or audit them. and we will have a shitload of surplus to work with.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

I know guys who manage big macro hedge funds. To a tee, not one single one of them believes cutting government spending will help the economy in the near. Every single one of them believes big government cuts will contract the economy in the near term, probably pushing the country into a recession if the cuts are deep enough. Most, however, believe spending must be cut to help the economy in the long run. They also believe taxes have to go up.

A good hard and short recession to clear out the bad and allow for the good to spring up.

Well then they should have let the entire banking system collapse in 2008 instead of bailing it out. All accounts were insured to $250K so everyone would have been protected to that level. Instead the government backed Wallstreet with $12.8 Trillion. $3 Trillion of that will never be paid back.

You're absolutely right. But that would have made the federal reserve look impotent.

 

[PredFan]

I hear the peanut gallery chirping about "taxing the rich" all damn day long. just echoing Obama spin talk.

But what about cutting funding on Welfare by 50% to help boost the Economy? would any of you support that?

Or what about limiting Welfare benefits to only those that show proof that they are unable to work for a time being. (ie-just got outta the hospital, car accident/injury, etc...)

Because if the lazy squatter assholes on welfare don't get of their asses soon, we're all gonna eat it..

Damn taxing the rich. get more bodies in the workforce, problem solved. why all the lazy talk and "I can't do"..???

Whatever happen to YES WE CAN your Dear leader preached 24/7 ????

Would I support a 50% cut in welfare? Yes I would. That said, I don't think it's the best way to do it.

Welfare should be scaled back. First thing to do I to eliminate support for all children born while receiving welfare payments. If you are on welfare, you cannot afford to have children.

 

[Moonglow]

I hear the peanut gallery chirping about "taxing the rich" all damn day long. just echoing Obama spin talk.

But what about cutting funding on Welfare by 50% to help boost the Economy? would any of you support that?

Or what about limiting Welfare benefits to only those that show proof that they are unable to work for a time being. (ie-just got outta the hospital, car accident/injury, etc...)

Because if the lazy squatter assholes on welfare don't get of their asses soon, we're all gonna eat it..

Damn taxing the rich. get more bodies in the workforce, problem solved. why all the lazy talk and "I can't do"..???

Whatever happen to YES WE CAN your Dear leader preached 24/7 ????

When millionaires and corporations stop getting so many tax breaks that they pay no taxes, yes, I will support cutting welfare and the military budget by 50%

 

[Nosmo King]

I hear the peanut gallery chirping about "taxing the rich" all damn day long. just echoing Obama spin talk.

But what about cutting funding on Welfare by 50% to help boost the Economy? would any of you support that?

Or what about limiting Welfare benefits to only those that show proof that they are unable to work for a time being. (ie-just got outta the hospital, car accident/injury, etc...)

Because if the lazy squatter assholes on welfare don't get of their asses soon, we're all gonna eat it..

Damn taxing the rich. get more bodies in the workforce, problem solved. why all the lazy talk and "I can't do"..???

Whatever happen to YES WE CAN your Dear leader preached 24/7 ????

Would I support a 50% cut in welfare? Yes I would. That said, I don't think it's the best way to do it.

Welfare should be scaled back. First thing to do I to eliminate support for all children born while receiving welfare payments. If you are on welfare, you cannot afford to have children.

Would you provide abortion services? Free contraceptives?

 

[expat_panama]

I go for cutting military spending 50%.

It's already been done--

--three times. We're at the point that slashing it another 50% would make less of a difference than cutting 'human resources' by only 15%.

 

[Dreamy]

There are various forms of welfare. Is the OP talking about social welfare in his question? I will focus on that first but have no problem discussing any aspect of government bloat, waste or welfare.

I have read that more than 100 million people in the US get welfare from the Feds. 100 million with a huge increase in this last decade. Ugh. That is excluding those who receive SS or Medicare. It does include those who get Food Stamps and Medicaid.

Then we have the Immigrant factor.

36% of immigrant-headed households get at least one form of welfare. That's compared to 23% of native-born American households.

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children | Center for Immigration Studies

Also making more babies while on welfare? I call foul!

 

[4Horsemen]

I hear the peanut gallery chirping about "taxing the rich" all damn day long. just echoing Obama spin talk.

But what about cutting funding on Welfare by 50% to help boost the Economy? would any of you support that?

Or what about limiting Welfare benefits to only those that show proof that they are unable to work for a time being. (ie-just got outta the hospital, car accident/injury, etc...)

Because if the lazy squatter assholes on welfare don't get of their asses soon, we're all gonna eat it..

Damn taxing the rich. get more bodies in the workforce, problem solved. why all the lazy talk and "I can't do"..???

Whatever happen to YES WE CAN your Dear leader preached 24/7 ????

Would I support a 50% cut in welfare? Yes I would. That said, I don't think it's the best way to do it.

Welfare should be scaled back. First thing to do I to eliminate support for all children born while receiving welfare payments. If you are on welfare, you cannot afford to have children.

scale it back, tier step it down, whatever it takes, I agree. and that's a good parameter to keep benefits, I like that idea. you on welfare, NO MORE BABIES until you can afford them.

Also, I would Let the Father stay in the home and not penalize the welfare mom for having him there. BUT he has to be gainfully employed and not a squatter. If he squats on her welfare benefits, all bets are off. That would also help encourage families to stay together and grow and eventually get off the tit of welfare..

Also, Mandate the welfare recipients attend some sort of social program that provides training classes, technical or whatever, job searching, etc..weekly, in addition to receiving benefits. If they stop trying to get educated to become poductive citizens, all bets are off.

It's assistance not a guaranteed free check. and people need to understand that.

 

[Freemason9]

I hear the peanut gallery chirping about "taxing the rich" all damn day long. just echoing Obama spin talk.

But what about cutting funding on Welfare by 50% to help boost the Economy? would any of you support that?

Or what about limiting Welfare benefits to only those that show proof that they are unable to work for a time being. (ie-just got outta the hospital, car accident/injury, etc...)

Because if the lazy squatter assholes on welfare don't get of their asses soon, we're all gonna eat it..

Damn taxing the rich. get more bodies in the workforce, problem solved. why all the lazy talk and "I can't do"..???

Whatever happen to YES WE CAN your Dear leader preached 24/7 ????

There is fast becoming less and less of us producers aka American workers who pay their own way and have all their life.

How many people are actually on the tax rolls these days? How many takers and how many givers? I am personally getting sick of being squeezed played by both the rich and the poor.

Damn good point. It's a scary ass thought to know it's hundreds if not thousands of Americans that actually CHOOSE not to work. I guess the "YES WE CAN" was a flash in the pan.

This is the damage an Obama Presidency can do. and people want 4 more years of this lazy ass gimme gimme "You didn't make that", bullshit?

I swear the next motherfucker come close to me talking about voting for Obama
...POW!...RIGHT IN THE FUCKIN KISSER!!!

To blame this on "Obama" is idiotic. American workers have been going down this road for quite a while now; and let's face it, with average wages as low as they have become and with little or no chance of advancing, there isn't much motivation out there.

Remember how the Right Wing constantly tells us that raising tax rates on the wealthy will hurt the economy because they will be less motivated to "invest?"

Well, what in the hell do you think happens when you reduce real wages (and increase fuel prices, and medical insurance prices, and food prices, etc.)?

American workers are disenfranchised from the economic system, and it has NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA. It's the system, and a Republican in the White House will absolutely make things even worse. Republicans hate working class people.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Are you suggesting the govt. should raise wage standards?

 

[Moonglow]

I go for cutting military spending 50%.

It's already been done--

--three times. We're at the point that slashing it another 50% would make less of a difference than cutting 'human resources' by only 15%.

so we are living in the late 40's early 50's?

 

[Freemason9]

Are you suggesting the govt. should raise wage standards?

I'm suggesting that we should elect leadership that embraces the pro-worker policies of the 1940's through the 1960's that built the middle class. These were policies that allowed American workers to freely join labor unions and ensured a media that served public interest.

Also, the tax structure that worked so well in those days should return. This "reward the rich" system we have is killing this economy.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

OK, so it's strictly a game of soundbites. Carry on.

 

[Mr Natural]

I go for cutting military spending 50%.

It's already been done--

--three times. We're at the point that slashing it another 50% would make less of a difference than cutting 'human resources' by only 15%.

so we are living in the late 40's early 50's?

AKA the "Good Old Days" to the right wing.

Minus the 90% tax bracket of course.

 

[Freemason9]

OK, so it's strictly a game of soundbites. Carry on.

This is NOT an issue of "soundbites." It is a real issue for working Americans, and it affects the nation's future. Things will continue to worsen if Republicans are allowed to restore the policies of George W. Bush--and that's exactly what they want to do.