Would Hillary vote for war with Iran?

[g5000]

The fearmongers would have you believe Iran would nuke Israel the day after acquiring the Bomb, and the pants shitters believe them.

It's bullshit. Iran wants a nuke for the same reason every other country wants one; as a deterrent. And the more we chant "bomb-bomb-bomb Iran", the more they want that deterrent to ensure the Great Satan will never invade.

We lived with a nuclear USSR, and made treaties with them even though they constantly violated them and rattled their sabers at us and threatened global thermonuclear war. The USSR was an existential threat to the US. Iran is not.

We lived with a nuclear USSR because we knew the more righteous would triumph in the end. So it will be with the theocratic regime of Iran. They will fall one day, and we will be there dancing on their graves.

Yeah, but the Ruskies suppressed religion, so they weren't nutcases trying to set the stage for the return of the 12th Iman.

Wait a second. Are you really so stupid that you believe since they weren't religious the Soviets didn't want to take over the planet?

How old are you?

Old enough to know the Soviets weren't trying to get

Trying to get what?

Careful. You are talking to a Cold Warrior, and someone who knows a lot about nukes and nuclear power.

The Ruskies weren't trying to get into paradise, so MAD worked.... In the case of the Iranians, we're at a disadvantage.

You are buying into the bullshit the Iranians would start a nuclear war to get into paradise, pants shitter. You are allowing the fearmongers to manipulate you.

You should stop and question why they want you afraid.

 

[HenryBHough]

It would take Iran a long time to produce enough bomb material with just 5,060 centrifuges. They would be caught long before that.

Faith like that in a five (5) year old is charmingly cute.

But by 12 you really should have put away such childish things.

 

[Obiwan]

No they do not.

Iran currently has 19,000 centrifuges, and under the agreement this is cut to 5,060 of the oldest and least efficient centrifuges.

Key Excerpts

Due to the quantity of uranium involved, it takes less centrifuges for a bomb than the number needed to feed a reactor. Iran gets enough for a bomb, not enough to feed a reactor.

Obiwan, the nuclear physicist.

He must be getting his information from a Democrat.

Nope, I don't trust lying Democrats...
The odd reality of Iran s centrifuges Enough for a bomb not power PunditFact
The odd reality of Iran's centrifuges: Enough for a bomb, not power

It would take Iran a long time to produce enough bomb material with just 5,060 centrifuges. They would be caught long before that.

When they've lied and cheated up to this point???

Why not just make it impossible for them to get one, instead of financing it for them?????

 

[g5000]

It would take Iran a long time to produce enough bomb material with just 5,060 centrifuges. They would be caught long before that.

Faith like that in a five (5) year old is charmingly cute.

But by 12 you really should have put away such childish things.

Oh, pray tell us, mister grownup, how they would get away with it.

 

[g5000]

Due to the quantity of uranium involved, it takes less centrifuges for a bomb than the number needed to feed a reactor. Iran gets enough for a bomb, not enough to feed a reactor.

Obiwan, the nuclear physicist.

He must be getting his information from a Democrat.

Nope, I don't trust lying Democrats...
The odd reality of Iran s centrifuges Enough for a bomb not power PunditFact
The odd reality of Iran's centrifuges: Enough for a bomb, not power

It would take Iran a long time to produce enough bomb material with just 5,060 centrifuges. They would be caught long before that.

When they've lied and cheated up to this point???

Why not just make it impossible for them to get one, instead of financing it for them?????

Tell us how you would make it impossible for them to get one.

No one else has ever done it.

When a sovereign nation wants a nuclear bomb, they will get one. They have every right to one as a sovereign nation. And so any effort to slow them down is a worthy one.

So go ahead and tell us how you would stop them without violating their sovereignty.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Obiwan, who knows nothing.

There will be no war.

 

[Obiwan]

It would take Iran a long time to produce enough bomb material with just 5,060 centrifuges. They would be caught long before that.

Faith like that in a five (5) year old is charmingly cute.

But by 12 you really should have put away such childish things.

Oh, pray tell us, mister grownup, how they would get away with it.

They've hidden facilities, thrown inspectors out of the country, etc. And we don't even know what the side deals are!!!!

But since you are such a genius, maybe you can tell us how Iran plans to run a reactor when they don't have enough centrifuges to do that, but do have enough to make a bomb.

 

[g5000]

To get away with manufacturing weapons grade material with the 5,060 centrifuges, the Iranians would have to make it right under the noses of the inspectors.

All nuclear facilities are subject to spot inspections, despite what your fearmongering overlords have told you. So if any of the centrifuges disappeared and moved to a secret location, that would be noticed.

Sites which are not identified as nuclear facilities, but which are suspected as being nuclear facilities nonetheless, do require notification of an inspection. A request will be sent to the six nation committee overseeing the inspection program.

So to get away with making the bomb, the Iranians would have to sneak the existing centrifuges away and by some miracle not be noticed, then they would have to make enough material for a bomb in less time than it takes to get permission to inspect the new site, which is physically impossible.

The other method would be to buy additional centrifuges on the black market and not get caught. And then they would have to divert uranium from the known uranium sources to their secret lab and by some miracle not get caught at that, either.

So, please, someone explain how they would get away with this. Explain how they would not only be able to divert enough uranium for a bomb, but also to acquire the necessary centrifuges and the 12 months it would take for the 5,060 centrifuges to make enough weapons grade material.

 

[Obiwan]

Obiwan, the nuclear physicist.

He must be getting his information from a Democrat.

Nope, I don't trust lying Democrats...
The odd reality of Iran s centrifuges Enough for a bomb not power PunditFact
The odd reality of Iran's centrifuges: Enough for a bomb, not power

It would take Iran a long time to produce enough bomb material with just 5,060 centrifuges. They would be caught long before that.

When they've lied and cheated up to this point???

Why not just make it impossible for them to get one, instead of financing it for them?????

Tell us how you would make it impossible for them to get one.

No one else has ever done it.

When a sovereign nation wants a nuclear bomb, they will get one. They have every right to one as a sovereign nation. And so any effort to slow them down is a worthy one.

So go ahead and tell us how you would stop them without violating their sovereignty.

You choke off the funds, or take the facility out as a last resort. But I assume you are OK with Iran giving a nuke to terrorists and us losing a major city. Will you move there first where you can go meet Allah????

 

[Obiwan]

To get away with manufacturing weapons grade material with the 5,060 centrifuges, the Iranians would have to make it right under the noses of the inspectors.

All nuclear facilities are subject to spot inspections, despite what your fearmongering overlords have told you. So if any of the centrifuges disappeared and moved to a secret location, that would be noticed.

Sites which are not identified as nuclear facilities, but which are suspected as being nuclear facilities nonetheless, do require notification of an inspection. A request will be sent to the six nation committee overseeing the inspection program.

So to get away with making the bomb, the Iranians would have to sneak the existing centrifuges away and by some miracle not be noticed, then they would have to make enough material for a bomb in less time than it takes to get permission to inspect the new site, which is physically impossible.

The other method would be to buy additional centrifuges on the black market and not get caught. And then they would have to divert uranium from the known uranium sources to their secret lab and by some miracle not get caught at that, either.

So, please, someone explain how they would get away with this. Explain how they would not only be able to divert enough uranium for a bomb, but also to acquire the necessary centrifuges and the 12 months it would take for the 5,060 centrifuges to make enough weapons grade material.

Read the deal..... and think about the side deals.

Then prove your confidence in it by moving to NYC or DC. I dare you.

 

[g5000]

It would take Iran a long time to produce enough bomb material with just 5,060 centrifuges. They would be caught long before that.

Faith like that in a five (5) year old is charmingly cute.

But by 12 you really should have put away such childish things.

Oh, pray tell us, mister grownup, how they would get away with it.

They've hidden facilities, thrown inspectors out of the country, etc. And we don't even know what the side deals are!!!!

But since you are such a genius, maybe you can tell us how Iran plans to run a reactor when they don't have enough centrifuges to do that, but do have enough to make a bomb.

Under the agreement, Iran will convert the high grade uranium they already have into reactor fuel.

And France has been discussing terms to sell reactor fuel to Iran.

 

[Obiwan]

Spot inspections???

Read the deal.

 

[g5000]

To get away with manufacturing weapons grade material with the 5,060 centrifuges, the Iranians would have to make it right under the noses of the inspectors.

All nuclear facilities are subject to spot inspections, despite what your fearmongering overlords have told you. So if any of the centrifuges disappeared and moved to a secret location, that would be noticed.

Sites which are not identified as nuclear facilities, but which are suspected as being nuclear facilities nonetheless, do require notification of an inspection. A request will be sent to the six nation committee overseeing the inspection program.

So to get away with making the bomb, the Iranians would have to sneak the existing centrifuges away and by some miracle not be noticed, then they would have to make enough material for a bomb in less time than it takes to get permission to inspect the new site, which is physically impossible.

The other method would be to buy additional centrifuges on the black market and not get caught. And then they would have to divert uranium from the known uranium sources to their secret lab and by some miracle not get caught at that, either.

So, please, someone explain how they would get away with this. Explain how they would not only be able to divert enough uranium for a bomb, but also to acquire the necessary centrifuges and the 12 months it would take for the 5,060 centrifuges to make enough weapons grade material.

Read the deal..... and think about the side deals.

Then prove your confidence in it by moving to NYC or DC. I dare you.

Not a problem. I don't buy what the fearmongers are selling like you do, pants shitter.

 

[g5000]

Spot inspections???

Read the deal.

I have read the deal. I bet you have not.

I provided a link of the highlights to you earlier.

You have probably bought the lie that there are no spot inspections allowed.

 

[Obiwan]

It would take Iran a long time to produce enough bomb material with just 5,060 centrifuges. They would be caught long before that.

Faith like that in a five (5) year old is charmingly cute.

But by 12 you really should have put away such childish things.

Oh, pray tell us, mister grownup, how they would get away with it.

They've hidden facilities, thrown inspectors out of the country, etc. And we don't even know what the side deals are!!!!

But since you are such a genius, maybe you can tell us how Iran plans to run a reactor when they don't have enough centrifuges to do that, but do have enough to make a bomb.

Under the agreement, Iran will convert the high grade uranium they already have into reactor fuel.

And France has been discussing terms to sell reactor fuel to Iran.

Now you're talking!!!! If they BUY all their fuel, that would require Iran having, what???? NO centrifuges???

 

[g5000]

All of Iran's nuclear facilities are subject to no-notice inspections. The poor pants shitters have been led to believe there are no spot inspections allowed. They have been lied to by omission.

Only sites which are suspected of being nuclear sites which were previously unidentified as such require permission from the six nation committee to inspect.

Again, Iran is a sovereign nation, so it is screamingly obvious we can't go barging in wherever we please. No treaty EVER has had such conditions in it.

Ever.

The retards have been led to believe this is some kind of fucking precedent. Jesus!

 

[g5000]

It would take Iran a long time to produce enough bomb material with just 5,060 centrifuges. They would be caught long before that.

Faith like that in a five (5) year old is charmingly cute.

But by 12 you really should have put away such childish things.

Oh, pray tell us, mister grownup, how they would get away with it.

They've hidden facilities, thrown inspectors out of the country, etc. And we don't even know what the side deals are!!!!

But since you are such a genius, maybe you can tell us how Iran plans to run a reactor when they don't have enough centrifuges to do that, but do have enough to make a bomb.

Under the agreement, Iran will convert the high grade uranium they already have into reactor fuel.

And France has been discussing terms to sell reactor fuel to Iran.

Now you're talking!!!! If they BUY all their fuel, that would require Iran having, what???? NO centrifuges???

Yes. I explained this in great detail years ago when Bush was trying to find some way to get Iran to stop making nukes.

I joked around about Jesus Uranium (reactors) and Jihadi Uranium (bombs). Even way back then, the idea was to get Iran to buy all of its Jesus Uranium from Russia and/or France.

 

[Obiwan]

Spot inspections???

Read the deal.

I have read the deal. I bet you have not.

I provided a link of the highlights to you earlier.

You have probably bought the lie that there are no spot inspections allowed.

I've read the deal, too... especially the parts about advance notice, and Iran getting a hearing before the inspection if they want it. And who knows what else they get, since Kerry said we don't even know what the side deals are.

 

[g5000]

Gotta go for now. Will check back in later.

 

[TooTall]

This type of hypothetical/situational question is of little value. Did Bill go to war with Bosnia? Did Obama go to war with Libya? Are we at war now?

The answers are Yes and Yes and Obama bombed three or four other countries and Clinton also bombed Iraq. Before you go ape shit, dropping bombs on another sovereign nation is considered an act of war.