Would a word from the 21st century have the same meaning in the 18th century

[bigrebnc1775]

So tell me would fuck you have the same meaning in 1783 as it does today?
If you say no how can well regulated mean what anti gunners think it means?
Fuck you! dates to 1895 and Fuck off! as a command to the 1940's although the phrase was in use meaning to run away in the 1920's (as in 'let's fuck off out of here before we get into trouble.)
Bruce Willis's now famous quote in Die-Hard - (the words after the cowboy salute to Alan Rickman) dates to the 1920's.

GO FORTH AND MULTIPLY - A brief history of the 'F' word by Elizabeth Chadwick.

I belong to several historical forums and every few months, the subject of medieval swear words will arise and a discussion will begin about...

the-history-girls.blogspot.com

 

[yidnar]

calling someone a democrat today is the same as calling someone a faggot 30 yrs ago .

 

[bigrebnc1775]

calling someone a democrat today is the same as calling someone a faggot 30 yrs ago .

More like fascist

 

[bigrebnc1775]

So as we can see words do not have the same meaning as they did when first used.

 

[whitehall]

The Supreme Court is charged with interpreting the meaning of the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment has been upheld in several decisions.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The Supreme Court is charged with interpreting the meaning of the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment has been upheld in several decisions.

That's the problem with not knowing how to interpret meaning of a word. If you believe something means today what it meant back two centuries ago you would be interpreting it wrong

 

[mak2]

I think it might have been a Carl Sagan idea but I read it somewhere. IF you took 5000 or 10000 (I don't remember) years of fathers and sons and set them around a table in order. Each father could talk to each son going around the table. When you got all the way around the table to today, today's man and the first one could not understand a word each other said,

 

[whitehall]

That's the problem with not knowing how to interpret meaning of a word. If you believe something means today what it meant back two centuries ago you would be interpreting it wrong

It's not a problem. The system works.

 

[whitehall]

The problem comes when activist judges inject their own bias by imagining what the F.F. thought rather than what they wrote. Case in point a former KKK member (Justice Black) appointed to the Supreme Court by FDR who found a concept of "Separation of Church and State" that didn't appear in the Constitution. Justice Black imagined what Jefferson was thinking based on some written material rather than relying on the 1st Amendment.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

It's not a problem. The system works.

So well regulated from the 18th century should be interpreted to mean what it means today?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The problem comes when activist judges inject their own bias by imagining what the F.F. thought rather than what they wrote. Case in point a former KKK member (Justice Black) appointed to the Supreme Court by FDR who found a concept of "Separation of Church and State" that didn't appear in the Constitution. Justice Black imagined what Jefferson was thinking based on some written material rather than relying on the 1st Amendment.

There is a separation between church and state. The state can't dictate what a church can teach

 

[whitehall]

So well regulated from the 18th century should be interpreted to mean what it means today?

"Well regulated" is meaningless when taken out of context.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

"Well regulated" is meaningless when taken out of context.

Which is what leftists do

 

[whitehall]

Which is what leftists do

It seems to be the point you are trying to make.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

It seems to be the point you are trying to make.

I made the point no seem or trying about it.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

So tell me would fuck you have the same meaning in 1783 as it does today?
If you say no how can well regulated mean what anti gunners think it means?
Fuck you! dates to 1895 and Fuck off! as a command to the 1940's although the phrase was in use meaning to run away in the 1920's (as in 'let's fuck off out of here before we get into trouble.)
Bruce Willis's now famous quote in Die-Hard - (the words after the cowboy salute to Alan Rickman) dates to the 1920's.

GO FORTH AND MULTIPLY - A brief history of the 'F' word by Elizabeth Chadwick.

I belong to several historical forums and every few months, the subject of medieval swear words will arise and a discussion will begin about...

the-history-girls.blogspot.com

The F-word in the dictionary​

The F-word was recorded in a dictionary in 1598 (John Florio’s A Worlde of Wordes, London: Arnold Hatfield for Edw. Blount). It is remotely derived from the Latin futuere and Old German ficken/fucken meaning ‘to strike or penetrate’, which had the slang meaning to copulate. Eric Partridge, a famous etymologist, said that the German word was related to the Latin words for pugilist, puncture, and prick. One folk etymology claims that it derives from “for unlawful carnal knowledge,” but this has been debunked by etymologists.

The word became rarer in print in the 18th century when it came to be regarded as vulgar. It was even banned from the Oxford English Dictionary. In 1960, Grove Press (in the US) won a court case permitting it to print the word legally for the first time in centuries—in D.H. Lawrence’s Lady Chatterley’s Lover (written in 1928).

F-word euphemisms​

The taboo nature of f-ck has given rise to a slew of euphemisms—or mild, indirect, or vague expression substituted for one thought to be offensive, harsh, or blunt. Frig, frack, frick, fork, and fug, d’fuq, fux, and WTF (or whiskey tango foxtrot) are all popular substitutions, especially for the spoken f-word.

We also now have eff and effing, as well as f-word and f-bomb. All of these alternates give us ways to get around using everyone’s favorite four-letter word.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The F-word in the dictionary​

The F-word was recorded in a dictionary in 1598 (John Florio’s A Worlde of Wordes, London: Arnold Hatfield for Edw. Blount). It is remotely derived from the Latin futuere and Old German ficken/fucken meaning ‘to strike or penetrate’, which had the slang meaning to copulate. Eric Partridge, a famous etymologist, said that the German word was related to the Latin words for pugilist, puncture, and prick. One folk etymology claims that it derives from “for unlawful carnal knowledge,” but this has been debunked by etymologists.

The word became rarer in print in the 18th century when it came to be regarded as vulgar. It was even banned from the Oxford English Dictionary. In 1960, Grove Press (in the US) won a court case permitting it to print the word legally for the first time in centuries—in D.H. Lawrence’s Lady Chatterley’s Lover (written in 1928).

F-word euphemisms​

The taboo nature of f-ck has given rise to a slew of euphemisms—or mild, indirect, or vague expression substituted for one thought to be offensive, harsh, or blunt. Frig, frack, frick, fork, and fug, d’fuq, fux, and WTF (or whiskey tango foxtrot) are all popular substitutions, especially for the spoken f-word.

We also now have eff and effing, as well as f-word and f-bomb. All of these alternates give us ways to get around using everyone’s favorite four-letter word.

What's an fword the word is FUCK hell Ford is a four letter f word. Do you have a link? Because fuck you first reference in the US was the late 1800s