World's Richest Now Richer Than Before Great Recession

Money is a concept, not a commodity.
Would you agree?

"MONEY IS A COMMODITY and can only be possessed by one person OR another.

The Dooh Nibor Economy (that’s “Robin Hood” backwards!) | Phil

This is not exactly true. Money is created everyday out of think in little "ones" and "zeros" because... Money is debt. The fractional reserve system says that a bank can loan out 9X the money it has in its reserve, which then gets lent out again and again... but none of it is real, it is just debt, or borrowed. So, what started out as a small principle, is now spread out across millions of people, who all, conceptually, have that same dollar that you say isn't possible, since it all came from a small principle in the beginning before it was exponentially increased by the fractional reserve system of lending.

The Fed is a joke and the central bank has been killing this country since its inception in 1913, and has only helped make the rich richer and the poor poorer and that isn't an accident. Don't chalk it up to personal volition. It is intentional and built into our financial system that there is inflation, debt, and consolidation of wealth among few. There is nothing that can be done about it unless you change monetary policy with regards to the Fed.

I read this from time to time, that the only way to seriously improve things is to change monetary policy with regards to the Fed--or even get rid of the Fed altogether. Given that there are plenty of folks who benefit from the way things are going, just how likely is any change at all? Is a total meltdown inevitable--with riots in the streets a la Greece?
 
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Georgie boy is probably a lost cause but when are you reasonable lefties going to stop pandering to the revolutionaries with all this anti-establishment crap that you left behind thirty years ago? You know it don't work or you wouldn't be worried about your 401k's now. Why play the cynical anti-capitalist game that real revolutionaries believe in? No balls left in the old sack?
 
Would you agree?

"MONEY IS A COMMODITY and can only be possessed by one person OR another.

The Dooh Nibor Economy (that’s “Robin Hood” backwards!) | Phil

This is not exactly true. Money is created everyday out of think in little "ones" and "zeros" because... Money is debt. The fractional reserve system says that a bank can loan out 9X the money it has in its reserve, which then gets lent out again and again... but none of it is real, it is just debt, or borrowed. So, what started out as a small principle, is now spread out across millions of people, who all, conceptually, have that same dollar that you say isn't possible, since it all came from a small principle in the beginning before it was exponentially increased by the fractional reserve system of lending.

The Fed is a joke and the central bank has been killing this country since its inception in 1913, and has only helped make the rich richer and the poor poorer and that isn't an accident. Don't chalk it up to personal volition. It is intentional and built into our financial system that there is inflation, debt, and consolidation of wealth among few. There is nothing that can be done about it unless you change monetary policy with regards to the Fed.

I read this from time to time, that the only way to seriously improve things is to change monetary policy with regards to the Fed--or even get rid of the Fed altogether. Given that there are plenty of folks who benefit from the way things are going, just how likely is any change at all? Is a total meltdown inevitable--with riots in the streets a la Greece?

It is not likely that there will be any change because too many profit from the way things are, and it is all behind the scenes. All of this 'left versus right' shit in government is in the foreground of what is really pertinent. It's a stage, a production that we all watch and think we are interacting with, but we are not, not in terms of what really needs to be changed. Any change through politicians within the current monetary policy would only be superficial. We have been in a perpetual state of war since the fed began, and there has been a 'boogey man' ever since World War II. First it was communism, then the war on the drugs, now the war on terror. I believe there will be a meltdown, especially when oil starts running low, and the scramble for this resource becomes desperate. Those sitting on it will control everything and will have the authority for a one-world government of sorts... the way we are positioning ourselves since 911, it looks like that is going to be us... They know what is going to happen, and they are preparing for the catastrophe that we are heading into. That is the only way to explain this propulsion into wars that we never needed to fight, and these flimsy explanations as to why we are there. It doesn't matter WHO is in office. This is not being decided by the president, or anybody at the forefront. I don't believe this earth can not sustain this many without the oil, especially when it is estimated there will be 8 to 9 billion in fifty years. When the oil runs out, many will die. It is too late to even make the transition now to green energy. Green energy couldn't support this many anyway. Nothing is as abundant and energetic and cheap as oil. I believe there will an extinction of the masses when it is no longer available. The only reason this world is as populated as it is, is because of the cheap abundant energy of oil, which is about to run out. The have-nots are the ones that are going to perish, and those with control over the resources are going to be sitting pretty.
 
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Money is a concept, not a commodity.
Would you agree?

"MONEY IS A COMMODITY and can only be possessed by one person OR another.

The Dooh Nibor Economy (that’s “Robin Hood” backwards!) | Phil

All that proves is that the guy that writes that blog is an idiot.

From your link.

As this chart shows, the US is cranking out multimillionaires at a record pace with super-rich (more than $10M) households doubling in the past decade. What’s scary is that doubling the amount of people who have more than $10M per household (from 300K to 600K) means there’s $3,000,000,000,000 less available for the other 98% of the of the households as MONEY IS A COMMODITY and can only be possessed by one person OR another.

One indication that someone has no idea what they are talking about is the excessive use of bold text in order to emphasize points that are completely unrelated to reality. During the period that the US created all those millionaires, and supposedly reduced the money supply in the process, the net worth of the US went from approximately $37 trillion to more than $60 trillion. That means that, in the real world, the 97% of the rest of the US population had around $20 trillion more dollars to play with.

I do enjoy reading Phil when someone posts a reference to his delusions though, so I thank you for bringing him back again.
Where does the link claim the money supply has been reduced?

The $23 trillion "more dollars" you refer to were not shared equally among 100% of Americans.
They were primarily divided among the millionaires and billionaires (old and new) who fund the campaigns of Republicans AND Democrats in DC.

Maybe you should read Phil a little more carefully?
 
Money is not a commodity, money is an idea. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.
 
Money is a concept, not a commodity.
Would you agree?

"MONEY IS A COMMODITY and can only be possessed by one person OR another.

The Dooh Nibor Economy (that’s “Robin Hood” backwards!) | Phil

This is not exactly true. Money is created everyday out of think in little "ones" and "zeros" because... Money is debt. The fractional reserve system says that a bank can loan out 9X the money it has in its reserve, which then gets lent out again and again... but none of it is real, it is just debt, or borrowed. So, what started out as a small principle, is now spread out across millions of people, who all, conceptually, have that same dollar that you say isn't possible, since it all came from a small principle in the beginning before it was exponentially increased by the fractional reserve system of lending.

The Fed is a joke and the central bank has been killing this country since its inception in 1913, and has only helped make the rich richer and the poor poorer and that isn't an accident. Don't chalk it up to personal volition. It is intentional and built into our financial system that there is inflation, debt, and consolidation of wealth among few. There is nothing that can be done about it unless you change monetary policy with regards to the Fed.
Money is debt.

Many argue that if all US debt is ever repaid all US money vanishes with it.

We seem to have reached a point where "the magic of compound interest" makes it virtually impossible for workers to ever get free of their debt. Cradle to grave wage slavery, in other words.

I'm not sure the machine (technology) hasn't been perfected to such a degree that capitalism is no longer capable of providing humanity with enough jobs for all who need one.

Central banks are a big part of the reason that so few control so many dollars today.

The best alternative to that problem that I've seen requires public banking which would turn monetary policy over to politicians. If there are any solutions to these problems, I don't see any elected Republicans OR Democrats presenting them to the public.

Maybe they're afraid they won't be able to raise enough money to survive their next primary if they try?
 
Would you agree?

"MONEY IS A COMMODITY and can only be possessed by one person OR another.

The Dooh Nibor Economy (that’s “Robin Hood” backwards!) | Phil

This is not exactly true. Money is created everyday out of think in little "ones" and "zeros" because... Money is debt. The fractional reserve system says that a bank can loan out 9X the money it has in its reserve, which then gets lent out again and again... but none of it is real, it is just debt, or borrowed. So, what started out as a small principle, is now spread out across millions of people, who all, conceptually, have that same dollar that you say isn't possible, since it all came from a small principle in the beginning before it was exponentially increased by the fractional reserve system of lending.

The Fed is a joke and the central bank has been killing this country since its inception in 1913, and has only helped make the rich richer and the poor poorer and that isn't an accident. Don't chalk it up to personal volition. It is intentional and built into our financial system that there is inflation, debt, and consolidation of wealth among few. There is nothing that can be done about it unless you change monetary policy with regards to the Fed.
Money is debt.

Many argue that if all US debt is ever repaid all US money vanishes with it.

We seem to have reached a point where "the magic of compound interest" makes it virtually impossible for workers to ever get free of their debt. Cradle to grave wage slavery, in other words.

I'm not sure the machine (technology) hasn't been perfected to such a degree that capitalism is no longer capable of providing humanity with enough jobs for all who need one.

Central banks are a big part of the reason that so few control so many dollars today.

The best alternative to that problem that I've seen requires public banking which would turn monetary policy over to politicians. If there are any solutions to these problems, I don't see any elected Republicans OR Democrats presenting them to the public.

Maybe they're afraid they won't be able to raise enough money to survive their next primary if they try?




Only theorists could ever believe this drivel. Money is a concept. It makes commerce easier. Read about the history of money sometime. In many ways money is also a belif system, if no one believes your currency is good, it isn't. If enough do, it does.
 
According to an annual report by Merrill Lynch and Capgemini the wealth of "high net worth individuals" globally reached $42.7 trillion in 2010, two years after the onset of the Great Recession. Between 2009 and 2010 the HNWIs saw their incomes rise nearly 10%.

Does that sound like shared sacrifice to you?
Or are the rich getting richer by inflicting austerity budgets on everyone else?

How in the hell can you blame austerity budgets for making the rich richer?

We have yet to have any austerity budgets go into action in this country. The STIMULUS & BAILOUTS is what made the rich richer.
Globally the wealth of "high net worth individuals" reached $42.7 trillion in 2010.

Austerity is coming nationally in Europe while it proceeds at a state level in this country. Thanks to Obama bowing low before the "savvy businessmen" on Wall Street many Democrats who voted in 2008 didn't see any reason to cast a ballot in 2010.

Most of the very rich in this country have discovered how to prosper regardless of the state of the economy. Both major parties serve their interests; however, Republicans take special delight in serving the richest 1%:

"My brother Kevin, with all his challenges, is in every way the kind of person we would want in our society: a wonderful son, a great brother, someone who looks out for and helps everyone around him.

"This is the kind of person Republicans would leave by the side of the road in order to, as my friend Bob Creamer put it, 'protect tax loopholes for CEOs who fly corporate jets.'

"They would devastate Medicaid and programs for the disabled, so that the wealthiest most powerful people in America would not have to pay a single extra dime in taxes."

What Does America Stand For? | Crooks and Liars

There are about 140,000 jobs that depend on the continued operation of Corporate Jets.
 
Would you agree?

"MONEY IS A COMMODITY and can only be possessed by one person OR another.

The Dooh Nibor Economy (that’s “Robin Hood” backwards!) | Phil

All that proves is that the guy that writes that blog is an idiot.

From your link.

As this chart shows, the US is cranking out multimillionaires at a record pace with super-rich (more than $10M) households doubling in the past decade. What’s scary is that doubling the amount of people who have more than $10M per household (from 300K to 600K) means there’s $3,000,000,000,000 less available for the other 98% of the of the households as MONEY IS A COMMODITY and can only be possessed by one person OR another.
One indication that someone has no idea what they are talking about is the excessive use of bold text in order to emphasize points that are completely unrelated to reality. During the period that the US created all those millionaires, and supposedly reduced the money supply in the process, the net worth of the US went from approximately $37 trillion to more than $60 trillion. That means that, in the real world, the 97% of the rest of the US population had around $20 trillion more dollars to play with.

I do enjoy reading Phil when someone posts a reference to his delusions though, so I thank you for bringing him back again.
Where does the link claim the money supply has been reduced?

The $23 trillion "more dollars" you refer to were not shared equally among 100% of Americans.
They were primarily divided among the millionaires and billionaires (old and new) who fund the campaigns of Republicans AND Democrats in DC.

Maybe you should read Phil a little more carefully?

Right here in the part I highlighted in red.

As this chart shows, the US is cranking out multimillionaires at a record pace with super-rich (more than $10M) households doubling in the past decade. What’s scary is that doubling the amount of people who have more than $10M per household (from 300K to 600K) means there’s $3,000,000,000,000 less available for the other 98% of the of the households as MONEY IS A COMMODITY and can only be possessed by one person OR another.

I am not the one that needs to read him more carefully. Pay close attention to the real idiocy between his remarks in bold type.
 
You mean we're not all in this together?

Not if you're among the "high net worth individuals" (HNWIs) who've not only made back what they lost in the fall of '08, now they are richer than ever and there are more of them - nearly 11 more - than before the recession struck.

"According to the annual world wealth report by Merrill Lynch and Capgemini, the wealth of HNWIs around the world reached $42.7tn (£26.5tn) in 2010, rising nearly 10% in a year and surpassing the peak of $40.7tn reached in 2007, even as austerity budgets were implemented by many governments in the developed world..."

The rich get richer because the poor get austerity budgets.

World's Wealthiest People Now Richer than Before the Credit Crunch | Common Dreams

400 individuals control more wealth than 150 million Americans combined.

We have the greatest disparity of wealth of any industrialized nation.

It's a national disgrace.
 
You mean we're not all in this together?

Not if you're among the "high net worth individuals" (HNWIs) who've not only made back what they lost in the fall of '08, now they are richer than ever and there are more of them - nearly 11 more - than before the recession struck.

"According to the annual world wealth report by Merrill Lynch and Capgemini, the wealth of HNWIs around the world reached $42.7tn (£26.5tn) in 2010, rising nearly 10% in a year and surpassing the peak of $40.7tn reached in 2007, even as austerity budgets were implemented by many governments in the developed world..."

The rich get richer because the poor get austerity budgets.

World's Wealthiest People Now Richer than Before the Credit Crunch | Common Dreams

400 individuals control more wealth than 150 million Americans combined.

We have the greatest disparity of wealth of any industrialized nation.

It's a national disgrace.




Compare the US to Mexico, or Russia or any other country you choose. The percentage will be about the same. It's a simple fact. A few are presented with the opportunities to get very wealthy. It is not a "national shame" it is life. get over it. Or conversly you could work hard and become one of those you despise. Of course that takes work. Something I fear you don't like much.
 
You mean we're not all in this together?

Not if you're among the "high net worth individuals" (HNWIs) who've not only made back what they lost in the fall of '08, now they are richer than ever and there are more of them - nearly 11 more - than before the recession struck.

"According to the annual world wealth report by Merrill Lynch and Capgemini, the wealth of HNWIs around the world reached $42.7tn (£26.5tn) in 2010, rising nearly 10% in a year and surpassing the peak of $40.7tn reached in 2007, even as austerity budgets were implemented by many governments in the developed world..."

The rich get richer because the poor get austerity budgets.

World's Wealthiest People Now Richer than Before the Credit Crunch | Common Dreams

400 individuals control more wealth than 150 million Americans combined.

We have the greatest disparity of wealth of any industrialized nation.

It's a national disgrace.




Compare the US to Mexico, or Russia or any other country you choose. The percentage will be about the same. It's a simple fact. A few are presented with the opportunities to get very wealthy. It is not a "national shame" it is life. get over it. Or conversly you could work hard and become one of those you despise. Of course that takes work. Something I fear you don't like much.

You can't debate the facts, so you resort to personal insult.

That means I won.

And I work seven days a week and make over 100K a year.
 
You mean we're not all in this together?

Not if you're among the "high net worth individuals" (HNWIs) who've not only made back what they lost in the fall of '08, now they are richer than ever and there are more of them - nearly 11 more - than before the recession struck.

"According to the annual world wealth report by Merrill Lynch and Capgemini, the wealth of HNWIs around the world reached $42.7tn (£26.5tn) in 2010, rising nearly 10% in a year and surpassing the peak of $40.7tn reached in 2007, even as austerity budgets were implemented by many governments in the developed world..."

The rich get richer because the poor get austerity budgets.

World's Wealthiest People Now Richer than Before the Credit Crunch | Common Dreams

400 individuals control more wealth than 150 million Americans combined.

We have the greatest disparity of wealth of any industrialized nation.

It's a national disgrace.




Compare the US to Mexico, or Russia or any other country you choose. The percentage will be about the same. It's a simple fact. A few are presented with the opportunities to get very wealthy. It is not a "national shame" it is life. get over it. Or conversly you could work hard and become one of those you despise. Of course that takes work. Something I fear you don't like much.

File:Gini Coefficient World CIA Report 2009.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ok... take a look... read the description of the map below to figure out where we stand.
 
You mean we're not all in this together?

Not if you're among the "high net worth individuals" (HNWIs) who've not only made back what they lost in the fall of '08, now they are richer than ever and there are more of them - nearly 11 more - than before the recession struck.

"According to the annual world wealth report by Merrill Lynch and Capgemini, the wealth of HNWIs around the world reached $42.7tn (£26.5tn) in 2010, rising nearly 10% in a year and surpassing the peak of $40.7tn reached in 2007, even as austerity budgets were implemented by many governments in the developed world..."

The rich get richer because the poor get austerity budgets.

World's Wealthiest People Now Richer than Before the Credit Crunch | Common Dreams

400 individuals control more wealth than 150 million Americans combined.

We have the greatest disparity of wealth of any industrialized nation.

It's a national disgrace.

You are right. The US should declare war on everyone who is rich and not paying US taxes.
 
World's Richest Now Richer Than Before Great Recession

That must mean they are going to start "creatin'" some of those jobs. Unless Republicans think by wrecking the economy it will get that black joker out of office. Does anyone think Republicans won't do that?
 
They all ought to be lined up and shot, their assets taken, dispersed across America and start the fuck over, and let the cream rise to the top legitimately. No "special favors", no Washington Lobbyists... just pure competition. But even without the summary executions... our rich are so used to being pandered to... Competition has become a word of simple propaganda to rile the idiots of the tea party up. They don't want competition anymore than the crack whore wants her welfare cut off.

These guys agree with you.

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Republican hate on full display for everyone to see. How proud they are. How moral.
 
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400 individuals control more wealth than 150 million Americans combined.

We have the greatest disparity of wealth of any industrialized nation.

It's a national disgrace.




Compare the US to Mexico, or Russia or any other country you choose. The percentage will be about the same. It's a simple fact. A few are presented with the opportunities to get very wealthy. It is not a "national shame" it is life. get over it. Or conversly you could work hard and become one of those you despise. Of course that takes work. Something I fear you don't like much.

You can't debate the facts, so you resort to personal insult.

That means I won.

And I work seven days a week and make over 100K a year.




Sure you do.
 
400 individuals control more wealth than 150 million Americans combined.

We have the greatest disparity of wealth of any industrialized nation.

It's a national disgrace.




Compare the US to Mexico, or Russia or any other country you choose. The percentage will be about the same. It's a simple fact. A few are presented with the opportunities to get very wealthy. It is not a "national shame" it is life. get over it. Or conversly you could work hard and become one of those you despise. Of course that takes work. Something I fear you don't like much.

File:Gini Coefficient World CIA Report 2009.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ok... take a look... read the description of the map below to figure out where we stand.




Find something other than wiki my friend. they are not a credible source for anything.
 
Compare the US to Mexico, or Russia or any other country you choose. The percentage will be about the same. It's a simple fact. A few are presented with the opportunities to get very wealthy. It is not a "national shame" it is life. get over it. Or conversly you could work hard and become one of those you despise. Of course that takes work. Something I fear you don't like much.

You can't debate the facts, so you resort to personal insult.

That means I won.

And I work seven days a week and make over 100K a year.




Sure you do.
He's on Obama's anti-wealth radar. He should be furious that the Obama admin wants him to cough up more of his hard earned dollars.
Instead he cheers for high taxes.
 

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