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I was referring to the States solar power generation reporting which shows that IF Ivanpah was generating solar power, it was for about 5 hours on its first day...however the numbers don't actually prove that as there was no real increase FOR THE WHOLE STATE on that day.
yes, you are silly!!!!I was referring to the States solar power generation reporting which shows that IF Ivanpah was generating solar power, it was for about 5 hours on its first day...however the numbers don't actually prove that as there was no real increase FOR THE WHOLE STATE on that day.
Silly me.
I was still writing to the discussion topic.
I was referring to the States solar power generation reporting which shows that IF Ivanpah was generating solar power, it was for about 5 hours on its first day...however the numbers don't actually prove that as there was no real increase FOR THE WHOLE STATE on that day.
Silly me.
I was still writing to the discussion topic.
Oh really? And you have the data to back up that assertion, right?
Yes. Really. Further it is a fact.
Oh. And I do not get to play by your rules where theory and assertion gets to stand as a valid point until somebody finds the proof that your agw theory or your assertions in regards to clean green renewable energy are found as false.
Again, the world's largest solar power plant burns up the world's largest amount fossil fuel in the construction.
Do I need to draw a picturexe or will argue that green energy grows on magic trees
So, you can make an unsubstantiated claim and what makes it a fact is that you say it's a fact.
Interesting.
I was referring to the States solar power generation reporting which shows that IF Ivanpah was generating solar power, it was for about 5 hours on its first day...however the numbers don't actually prove that as there was no real increase FOR THE WHOLE STATE on that day.
...and was found to produce the world`s highest temperature and pressure solar steam...and that was all this independent engineering firm was willing to confirm.The SEDC is located in the Rotem Industrial Park in Israel’s Negev Desert, about 157km (97 miles) south of Jerusalem.
The six megawatts-thermal facility has been tested and verified by an independent engineering firm, and found to produce the world’s highest temperature and pressure solar steam
I bet Skookerasbil will laugh his head off when he sees this:BrightSource has lost a cumulative $177.3 million since its inception with debt and financial obligations totaling $1.8 billion. The firm reported a net loss of $71.6 million on revenue of $13.5 million in 2010, a net loss of $43.8 million on revenue of $11.6 million in 2009 and a net loss of $44.6 million on revenue of $7.1 million in 2008. Total revenue for the firm over the last three years was $32.2 million.
Most of this relatively modest revenue (more than $23.1 million) comes not from the power generation business -- but from Enhanced Oil Recovery (EOR) applications. BSE signed a contract with Chevron in 2008 to provide a 29 MWth EOR facility in Coalinga, California, with the project scheduled to begin operations in the second half of 2011. The Coalinga project was entered into at a loss by BSE.
And yes it`s BrightSource Industries teaming up with (big&bad) Chevron oilSolar Steam Helps Coax Heavy Oil from Old Fields
The Coalinga oil field in California has been pumping out crude since 1887, and the remaining oil has gotten heavier and heavier and harder and harder to extract—but it will soon get a boost from the sun. Specifically, the old field will use steam generated by concentrated sunlight to help melt the remaining heavy oils and make them liquid enough to be pumped to the surface.
Heavy oils are a big part of new oil being produced around the world, whether oil from the tar sands of Canada or thicker crude from Indonesia. Chevron has brought up 150,000 barrels of heavy oil in California alone
Didn't know that connection PBear.. I did see where BrightSource is PLANNED to build even bigger
CSP plants in Israel.. Better hurry up, before the "latent ambiguities" start to mold..
Israelis are much shrewder consumers of green than Californians..
Didn't know that connection PBear.. I did see where BrightSource is PLANNED to build even bigger
CSP plants in Israel.. Better hurry up, before the "latent ambiguities" start to mold..
Israelis are much shrewder consumers of green than Californians..
And why would you expect Israelis to be more "shrewd"?
and so do I.FlaCalTenn said:Israelis are much shrewder consumers of green than Californians
I think Westwall covered that.. When you live on the edge of a combat zone, your priorities are
much more pragmatic in terms of spending Green money.. It better have an economic justification and
it better work. They don't need to do something like Ivanpah simply on principle or to PROVE how
Green they are..
Whatever bug you have about Israeli equipment, I haven't seen those issues in biotech or signal processing. But MAYBE -- their Israeli Luz subsidiary is part of the Ivanpah problem.. Stuff like that happens. Most likely, the funding for this new CSP project is piled high in US investment anyway.
So are you saying that you believe the Israelis are more shrewd due to their experience in warfare? It never occurred to you that the term has been used by ten thousand anti-semites and long ago became cliche. Don't bother to follow up. I never had the slightest suspicion I'd be getting a straightforward answer.
The functioning of Ivanpah, as I've said repeatedly now, is irrelevant to a discussion of our climate and global warming. But, if you think the issues the facility has suffered are going to drive people away from alternative energy sources and back to fossil fuels, you delude yourself.
So are you saying that you believe the Israelis are more shrewd due to their experience in warfare? It never occurred to you that the term has been used by ten thousand anti-semites and long ago became cliche. Don't bother to follow up. I never had the slightest suspicion I'd be getting a straightforward answer.
The functioning of Ivanpah, as I've said repeatedly now, is irrelevant to a discussion of our climate and global warming. But, if you think the issues the facility has suffered are going to drive people away from alternative energy sources and back to fossil fuels, you delude yourself.
No, the discussion of Ivanpah is relevant, one as the largest piece of crap polluting thousands of acres more than an equivelent in output Natural Gas or Nuclear power plant.
Ivanpah is Solar, Solar is heavy industry, a new heavy industry polluting the same as the old heavy industry.
Ivanpah contributed to CO2 emissions as well as prevented CO2 intake by the natural ecosystem of the desert.
abraHAM demands the facts be ignored, irrelevant? Bullshit!
So are you saying that you believe the Israelis are more shrewd due to their experience in warfare? It never occurred to you that the term has been used by ten thousand anti-semites and long ago became cliche. Don't bother to follow up. I never had the slightest suspicion I'd be getting a straightforward answer.
The functioning of Ivanpah, as I've said repeatedly now, is irrelevant to a discussion of our climate and global warming. But, if you think the issues the facility has suffered are going to drive people away from alternative energy sources and back to fossil fuels, you delude yourself.
No, the discussion of Ivanpah is relevant, one as the largest piece of crap polluting thousands of acres more than an equivelent in output Natural Gas or Nuclear power plant.
Ivanpah is Solar, Solar is heavy industry, a new heavy industry polluting the same as the old heavy industry.
Ivanpah contributed to CO2 emissions as well as prevented CO2 intake by the natural ecosystem of the desert.
abraHAM demands the facts be ignored, irrelevant? Bullshit!
Let's hope that none of the mirrors cracks and causes a massive photon-spill!!!
The Earth is warming due to human activities. That warming presents a threat. We can deal with it or we can ignore it. Your call.
The Earth is warming due to human activities. That warming presents a threat. We can deal with it or we can ignore it. Your call.
The Earth is warming due to human activities. That warming presents a threat. We can deal with it or we can ignore it. Your call.
Your solution is the threat, The threat is Green Renewable Energy. Somehow those who lack logic have not figured out that building thousands upon thousands of Solar Power Plants requires HEAVY INDUSTRY
What corporation would not want to manufacture enough product to cover the desert between Las Vegas and Los Angeles.
abraHAM's solution is for me to own 100 solar powered cars to drive to work, each capable of getting me just a mile or two, emitting zero pollution, yet abraHAM can not see that 100 Green Cars per person is gluttony, increased consumption, abraHAM can not see the waste or the pollution because Green Energy is delivered in a shiny new box, a superior idea.
Where do you think corporations build this stuff abraHAM.
