World to end in 2030.

[Stryder50]

I don't. I think the focus is on CO2 because nothing can be done about the other greenhouse gases up there, especially water vapor (although methane can be controlled somewhat but at great cost).

The focus is on CO2 because the issue isn't about;
"the planet(Earth)"
"the environment"
"the climate(s)"
"the "science"
"Etc. ..."

IT is about Political Control and Social Restructure to Conform to the Socialist/Communist Agenda of everyone being in lock-step conformance/compliance to a system that allows for creation of a New Minority Elite to rule us all. Meanwhile the masses will remain the useful tools/fools they often have been, serving the New "Elite" of Rulers/Owners.

It is about an anti-Western Culture, anti -Capitalism, anti-Free Enterprise, anti-Personal Liberty agenda of aggression to restructure the New Order of Elite Rulership. Nothing here about enabling or supporting we "masses" of "The People"; rather just another effort to use and abuse "Us" to shift the center of authority, and change the seats of those whom get to make the decisions on "Our" present conditions and Future.

Are you willing to play along and be so abused ???

 

[abu afak]

The focus is on CO2 because the issue isn't about;
"the planet(Earth)" - "the environment"
"the climate(s)" - "the "science" - "Etc. ..."
IT is about Political Control and Social Restructure to Conform to the Socialist/Communist Agenda of everyone being in lock-step conformance/compliance to a system that allows for creation of a New Minority Elite to rule us all. Meanwhile the masses will remain the useful tools/fools they often have been, serving the New "Elite" of Rulers/Owners.

It is about an anti-Western Culture, anti -Capitalism, anti-Free Enterprise, anti-Personal Liberty agenda of aggression to restructure the New Order of Elite Rulership. Nothing here about enabling or supporting we "masses" of "The People"; rather just another effort to use and abuse "Us" to shift the center of authority, and change the seats of those whom get to make the decisions on "Our" present conditions and Future.

Are you willing to play along and be so abused ???

New World Order (conspiracy theory)​

New World Order (conspiracy theory) - Wikipedia

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The New World Order (NWO) is a conspiracy theory which hypothesizes a secretly emerging totalitarian world government.[3][4][5][6][7]

The common theme in conspiracy theories about a New World Order is that a secretive power elite with a globalist agenda is conspiring to eventually rule the world through an authoritarian one-world government—which will replace sovereign nation-states—and an all-encompassing propaganda whose ideology hails the establishment of the New World Order as the culmination of history's progress. Many influential historical and contemporary figures have therefore been alleged to be part of a cabal that operates through many front organizations to orchestrate significant political and financial events, ranging from causing systemic crises to pushing through controversial policies, at both national and international levels, as steps in an ongoing plot to achieve world domination.[3][4][5][6][7]

Before the early 1990s, New World Order conspiracism was limited to two American countercultures, primarily the militantly anti-government right, and secondarily the part of fundamentalist Christianity concerned with the end-time emergence of the Antichrist.[8] Skeptics, such as Michael Barkun and Chip Berlet, observed that right-wing populist conspiracy theories about a New World Order had not only been embraced by many seekers of stigmatized knowledge but had seeped into popular culture, thereby inaugurating a period during the late 20th and early 21st centuries in the United States where people are actively preparing for apocalyptic millenarian scenarios.[4][6] Those political scientists are concerned that mass hysteria over New World Order conspiracy theories could eventually have devastating effects on American political life, ranging from escalating lone-wolf terrorism to the rise to power of authoritarian ultranationalist demagogues.[4][6][9]....

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[ReinyDays]

What does the New World Order plan to do with the Old World Order? ... we got an American citizen seventh in line to the English throne ... that takes the political power of the well entrenched World Government™ ... don't you read my newsletter? ...

 

[Stryder50]

New World Order (conspiracy theory)​

New World Order (conspiracy theory) - Wikipedia

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The New World Order (NWO) is a conspiracy theory which hypothesizes a secretly emerging totalitarian world government.[3][4][5][6][7]

The common theme in conspiracy theories about a New World Order is that a secretive power elite with a globalist agenda is conspiring to eventually rule the world through an authoritarian one-world government—which will replace sovereign nation-states—and an all-encompassing propaganda whose ideology hails the establishment of the New World Order as the culmination of history's progress. Many influential historical and contemporary figures have therefore been alleged to be part of a cabal that operates through many front organizations to orchestrate significant political and financial events, ranging from causing systemic crises to pushing through controversial policies, at both national and international levels, as steps in an ongoing plot to achieve world domination.[3][4][5][6][7]

Before the early 1990s, New World Order conspiracism was limited to two American countercultures, primarily the militantly anti-government right, and secondarily the part of fundamentalist Christianity concerned with the end-time emergence of the Antichrist.[8] Skeptics, such as Michael Barkun and Chip Berlet, observed that right-wing populist conspiracy theories about a New World Order had not only been embraced by many seekers of stigmatized knowledge but had seeped into popular culture, thereby inaugurating a period during the late 20th and early 21st centuries in the United States where people are actively preparing for apocalyptic millenarian scenarios.[4][6] Those political scientists are concerned that mass hysteria over New World Order conspiracy theories could eventually have devastating effects on American political life, ranging from escalating lone-wolf terrorism to the rise to power of authoritarian ultranationalist demagogues.[4][6][9]....

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1) While Wikipedia can be a useful start point on sources for further investigation, it rarely presents as objective or un-biased. There is little if any objective editorship and nearly anyone can contribute, hence it's articles can often vary widely in accuracy, let alone objectivity. One redeeming value is the sources and references provided at the bottom of their articles which let one go further and out of wiki.

The link/one you provide is a classic example of such, still within are these slight samples from far-Left conspiracy theory;
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In his speech, Toward a New World Order, delivered on 11 September 1990 during a joint session of the US Congress, President George H. W. Bush described his objectives for post-Cold War global governance in cooperation with post-Soviet states. He stated:

Until now, the world we've known has been a world divided—a world of barbed wire and concrete block, conflict, and the cold war. Now, we can see a new world coming into view. A world in which there is the genuine prospect of new world order. In the words of Winston Churchill, a "world order" in which "the principles of justice and fair play ... protect the weak against the strong ..." A world where the United Nations, freed from cold war stalemate, is poised to fulfill the historic vision of its founders. A world in which freedom and respect for human rights find a home among all nations.[17]

The New York Times observed that progressives were denouncing this new world order as a rationalization of American imperial ambitions in the Middle East at the time. At the same time conservatives rejected any new security arrangements altogether and fulminated about any possibility of a UN revival.[18] Chip Berlet, an American investigative reporter specializing in the study of right-wing movements in the U.S., wrote that the Christian and secular far-right were especially terrified by Bush's speech. Fundamentalist Christian groups interpreted Bush's words as signaling the End Times. At the same time, more secular theorists approached it from an anti-communist and anti-collectivist standpoint and feared for hegemony over all countries by the United Nations.[4]
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The research findings of historian Carroll Quigley, author of the 1966 book Tragedy and Hope, are taken by both conspiracy theorists of the American Old Right (W. Cleon Skousen) and New Left (Carl Oglesby) to substantiate this view, even though Quigley argued that the Establishment is not involved in a plot to implement a one-world government but rather British and American benevolent imperialism driven by the mutual interests of economic elites in the United Kingdom and the United States. Quigley also argued that, although the Round Table still exists today, its position in influencing the policies of world leaders has been much reduced from its heyday during World War I and slowly waned after the end of World War II and the Suez Crisis. Today the Round Table is largely a ginger group, designed to consider and gradually influence the policies of the Commonwealth of Nations, but faces strong opposition. Furthermore, in American society after 1965, the problem, according to Quigley, was that no elite was in charge and acting responsibly.[51]
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Paradoxically, since the first decade of the 21st century, New World Order conspiracism is increasingly being embraced and propagandized by New Age occultists, who are people bored by rationalism and drawn to stigmatized knowledge—such as alternative medicine, astrology, quantum mysticism, spiritualism, and theosophy.[6] Thus, New Age conspiracy theorists, such as the makers of documentary films like Esoteric Agenda, claim that globalists who plot on behalf of the New World Order are simply misusing occultism for Machiavellian ends, such as adopting 21 December 2012 as the exact date for the establishment of the New World Order to take advantage of the growing 2012 phenomenon, which has its origins in the fringe Mayanist theories of New Age writers José Argüelles, Terence McKenna, and Daniel Pinchbeck.[citation needed]
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Antiscience and neo-Luddite conspiracy theorists emphasize technology forecasting in their New World Order conspiracy theories. They speculate that the global power elite are reactionary modernists pursuing a transhumanist plan to develop and use human enhancement technologies to become a "posthuman ruling caste", while change accelerates toward a technological singularity—a theorized future point of discontinuity when events will accelerate at such a pace that normal unenhanced humans will be unable to predict or even understand the rapid changes occurring in the world around them. Conspiracy theorists fear the outcome will either be the emergence of a Brave New World-like dystopia—a "Brave New World Order"—or the extinction of the human species.[67]

Democratic transhumanists, such as American sociologist James Hughes, counter that many influential members of the United States establishment are bioconservatives strongly opposed to human enhancement, as demonstrated by President Bush's Council on Bioethics's proposed international treaty prohibiting human cloning and germline engineering. Furthermore, he argues that conspiracy theorists underestimate how fringe the transhumanist movement really is.[68]
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Viewing the history of the world as the history of warfare between secret societies, conspiracy theorists go further than Rothkopf, and other scholars who have studied the global power elite, by claiming that established upper-class families with "old money" who founded and finance the Bilderberg Group, Bohemian Club, Club of Rome, Council on Foreign Relations, Rhodes Trust, Skull and Bones, Trilateral Commission, and similar think tanks and private clubs, are illuminated conspirators plotting to impose a totalitarian New World Order—the implementation of an authoritarian world government controlled by the United Nations and a global central bank, which maintains political power through the financialization of the economy, regulation and restriction of speech through the concentration of media ownership, mass surveillance, widespread use of state terrorism, and an all-encompassing propaganda that creates a cult of personality around a puppet world leader and ideologizes world government as the culmination of history's progress.[6]
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Marxists, who are skeptical of right-wing populist conspiracy theories, also accuse the global power elite of not having the best interests of all at heart, and many intergovernmental organizations of suffering from a democratic deficit, but they argue that the superclass are plutocrats only interested in brazenly imposing a neoliberal or neoconservative new world order—the implementation of global capitalism through economic and military coercion to protect the interests of transnational corporations—which systematically undermines the possibility of international socialism.[94] Arguing that the world is in the middle of a transition from the American Empire to the rule of a global ruling class that has emerged from within the American Empire, they point out that right-wing populist conspiracy theorists, blinded by their anti-communism, fail to see is that what they demonize as the "New World Order" is, ironically, the highest stage of the very capitalist economic system they defend.[94]
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Although some cultural critics see superconspiracy theories about a New World Order as "postmodern metanarratives" that may be politically empowering, a way of giving ordinary people a narrative structure with which to question what they see around them,[95] skeptics argue that conspiracism leads people into cynicism, convoluted thinking, and a tendency to feel it is hopeless even as they denounce the alleged conspirators.[96]

Alexander Zaitchik from the Southern Poverty Law Center wrote a report titled "'Patriot' Paranoia: A Look at the Top Ten Conspiracy Theories", in which he personally condemns such conspiracies as an effort of the radical right to undermine society.[97]
( Note that the Southern Poverty Law Center is a notorious Left-Wing loonie bin.)
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New World Order (conspiracy theory) - Wikipedia

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The same source cited by "abu afak" above in post #162
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Bottom-line here folks is the Left-Wing have their Conspiracy Theories that blame the Right, the Right-Wing have their Conspiracy Theories which blame the Left; and the middle Reality is there likely is an "Elite" whom play the Left against the Right and have an Ideology and Agenda that is neither wholey Left or Right, but somewhere in a Manipulative Middle.

 

[Woodznutz]

This is what violates the law ... CO2 is not a catalyst to any of this ... when we add more CO2 to the atmosphere, the equilibrium changes ... changes in equilibrium take time to occur ... thus we are moving towards a new equilibrium point, not any kind of run-away effect ...

Follow the energy ... and follow the laws ...

The "equilibrium" seems to be...global warming.

 

[Stryder50]

The "equilibrium" seems to be...global warming.

You would rather Global Cooling it's way into another Ice Age?

 

[Stryder50]

The "equilibrium" seems to be...global warming.

What part of this do you fail to understand;

Or this;

Or this;

Or this;

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Earth and it's many climate zones are always in flux!

Either warming out of an Ice Age or cooling towards an Ice Age.
Which would you rather be involved in~with ???

Would you rather a warming World that can support our growing population or a cooling world that means billions will be doomed to die ???

Are you willing to join those whom will die ???

 

[ding]

By inspection colder is worse than warmer.

 

[Stryder50]

So far we do NOT have proof that global climate zones** warming is a bad thing to happen.

So far we do not have "Proof" that "Global Warming" is human caused versus another expression of Natural Cycles.

So far we do not have proof that there is a positive effect path of adjustment to deal with/alter "global warming" that won't make the situation/future results worse.

THEREFORE, best course for now is ride it out rather than try to fix what might not be broken and which our efforts really could make worse in future results.

See following posts for more information and data ....

 

[Stryder50]

Nominally we were taught in K-12 school that there were three major climate zones to planet Earth;

... But, come to find out, one could consider a few more bands/zones;

OR ...

OR ...

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Among many interpretations;

Earth's climate zones at DuckDuckGo

DuckDuckGo. Privacy, Simplified.

duckduckgo.com

Hence, we should consider the Earth on it's own path/course while we humans make our accommodations~adjustments.

 

[Clipper]

Why?

The climate has been in a state of constant change for 4.7 billion years.

Why is it suddenly a problem, right at the time it can be leveraged to give tyrants power?



Dooms day is an old racket.

Priests and Shamans have pointed to smoldering volcanos for thousand of years and demanded the peasants gold and virgin daughters to appease the gods.

Global warming is the same old scam.



Sure.

But if your obey your rulers without question and give up a middle class lifestyle you'll be a hero and save the planet.

Humans have only existed for a fraction of those 4.7 billion years so the constant changes in climate meant nothing because there were no humans here to give a shit one way or another.

 

[Stryder50]

Humans have only existed for a fraction of those 4.7 billion years so the constant changes in climate meant nothing because there were no humans here to give a shit one way or another.

Or more significantly, here to have "caused" such which is the false hypothesis of the ACC/AGW pro-ponents!

 

[Uncensored2008]

Humans have only existed for a fraction of those 4.7 billion years

Who cares?

The Climate changed the whole time.

Did Yutyrannus drive SUV's?

Dumb fucking cultist.

so the constant changes in climate meant nothing because there were no humans here to give a shit one way or another.

And humans have not a fucking thing to do with the continued change in climate.

 

[ReinyDays]

The "equilibrium" seems to be...global warming.

Since 1880, we've been through periods of cooling and periods of warming ... yet CO2 levels have been going up this whole time ... so why do you think increasing CO2 causes increasing temperature? ... certainly there's no correlation between the two, especially during WWII and the rebuilding after that ... the period 1940 to 1980 was one of falling global temperatures when all the world's industrial nations were burning as much fossil fuel as they could to survive ...

Look at the data yourself ... show me your math ... why do you think there's a correlation? ...

 

[Woodznutz]

You would rather Global Cooling it's way into another Ice Age?

I prefer my porridge 'just right'.

 

[Woodznutz]

THEREFORE, best course for now is ride it out rather than try to fix what might not be broken and which our efforts really could make worse in future results.

It seems like that is what we are doing now. We've reach 'reactive equilibrium'.

 

[Woodznutz]

Since 1880, we've been through periods of cooling and periods of warming ... yet CO2 levels have been going up this whole time ... so why do you think increasing CO2 causes increasing temperature? ... certainly there's no correlation between the two, especially during WWII and the rebuilding after that ... the period 1940 to 1980 was one of falling global temperatures when all the world's industrial nations were burning as much fossil fuel as they could to survive ...

Look at the data yourself ... show me your math ... why do you think there's a correlation? ...

Why do so many scientists believe in AGW? They have graphs and charts that seem to support their position as well. Jes' sayin'.

 

[ding]

Why do so many scientists believe in AGW? They have graphs and charts that seem to support their position as well. Jes' sayin'.

Because they want to believe it.

 

[Woodznutz]

Because they want to believe it.

Kinda like evolution eh?

 

[ding]

Kinda like evolution eh?

Not in my mind. Evolution isn't based upon computer models. It's based upon the fossil record. What is climate science based upon?