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Womens inna marines...

First Female Marines Apply to MARSOC
Jan 20, 2016 | Just weeks after previously closed military ground combat and special operations jobs were declared open to women, the Marine Corps' special operations command has had its first female applicants.
Maj. Gen. Joseph Osterman, commanding general of MARSOC, told Military.com the command has already received several requests from female Marines to enter the assessment and selection pipeline to become a critical skills operator. While Osterman could not specify how many women had applied, he said the first female applicant surfaced only days after the Jan. 4 deadline Defense Secretary Ash Carter set for new jobs to open. "The very first week of January … we had one female applicant on the West Coast," Osterman said. "Unfortunately, there was something in the prerequisite stuff she didn't have, a [general technical] score or something. It was, 'get re-tested and come on back,' that kind of thing."

Osterman said MARSOC is actively soliciting and recruiting qualified female Marines to join the command's ranks. The command does not have, as Osterman put it, a "street to fleet" recruiting program; rather, it recruits from within the ranks of the Marine Corps. To qualify for MARSOC critical skills operator assessment and selection, a Marine must be a seasoned corporal or a sergeant, or a first lieutenant or captain. The Marine must also have a minimum GT score of 105 and a minimum physical fitness test score of 225 out of 300, and be able to pass a command swim assessment and meet medical screening criteria. "We've actively identified all the females in the Marine Corps writ large who meet all the prerequisites just like with our normal screening teams," Osterman said. "We've notified or contacted every one of them and let them know, 'it's open, you're eligible.'"

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Female U.S. Marines in training navigate through forest grounds using the land navigation instruction given by their combat instructors at Camp Geiger, N.C.​

MARSOC submitted its broad implementation plan to the Secretary of Defense at the beginning of January after receiving input from the Marine Corps and U.S. Special Operations Command, Osterman said. In terms of training and job skills, he said, the command does have an advantage over the Marine Corps in that there were already clear gender-neutral physical standards in place for critical skills operators, while the Corps has only recently created such standards for infantry jobs. MARSOC's training pipeline is notoriously grueling. After a three-week initial assessment and selection period that tests physical fitness and a range of other aptitudes, Marines enter a second, 19-day assessment and selection training phase. Applicants who make it through both A&S phases can then begin a nine-month individual training course that covers survival, evasion, resistance and escape [SERE], special reconnaissance, close urban combat, irregular warfare and many other skill sets.

Osterman said Wednesday that 40 percent of Marines who enter the MARSOC pipeline go on to become critical skills operators. "When [Marines] go into assessment and screening, it's a very holistic psychological profile. It's swim, it's physical fitness, but we don't even count the PFT as part of the evaluation. It's much more comprehensive than that," Osterman said. "It's a pretty sophisticated standardization system which is nice in that, again, we already had this and it's gender-neutral already." MARSOC is also making plans to prepare its leadership for the advent of female trainees and operators, Osterman said.

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How dey s'posed to get infantry experience if ya won't let `em inna infantry?...

Commandant Concedes Female Marines Lacked Infantry Experience in Study
Feb 03, 2016 | Marine Corps Commandant Gen. Robert Neller acknowledged to lawmakers on Tuesday that female Marines who fared poorly in recent gender-integration study did not have the infantry experience of the male Marines they competed against in the effort. Senior military leaders testified at the Senate Armed Services Committee on the progress of bringing women into direct-action, combat-arms jobs such as the infantry.
Much of the hearing focused on the controversy surrounding the findings in a 1,000 page study that emerged last fall from the Marine Corps Ground Combat Element Integrated Task Force. The effort showed that gender-integrated units made up of men and women did not perform as well as all-male units. All-male units demonstrated higher performance levels than gender-integrated units on 69 percent of tasks evaluated. Gender-integrated teams performed better than their all-male counterparts on two of the 134 tasks, the study said. All-male squads also had a "noticeable difference in their performance of the basic combat tasks of negotiating obstacles and evacuating casualties."

But Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, a Democrat from New York, criticized the Marine study, calling it "fundamentally flawed." "The design of this research was very flawed," she said. "First of all, female Marines were screened for the basic physical fitness test and were competing in a large part with male Marines who had years of experience and training and many had combat positions. "All we really know from the study is that groups who had the right training and more training did better," she added. "We don't actually have data that can be used because these women did not have the same training and experiences as those who had been doing it for a long time."

The effort compared the performance of units with inexperienced female Marines -- fresh out of training -- against units made up of experienced male infantrymen, while focusing on speed and accuracy when engaging targets with multiple weapons systems, Military.com reported in October. "I think it would be unfair to any of those Marines particularly those females who participated in the [GCEITF] to say they weren't trained," Neller said. The female Marines that participated in the effort were first sent to the MOS schools for infantry, artillery and armor, he said. The women were then formed into the ground combat task force for four months of preparatory training, where they trained with men and developed the skills that they needed do this evaluation, he said.

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If you did draft females what would be the washout rate of girls who simply would be of no use....bet it would be huge
 
Won't happen.

Women in combat roles is a terrible idea.


I served in Viet Nam. The idea of women serving in combat is absolutely repulsive to me - but if the "geniuses" in the White House have decided that this is the way to go - I would expect ALL women be required to register for the draft, just like men.

The first time you see your buddies guts blown out - these women won't be so damned gung ho......
 
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Today's world, it's good to have some gals around . You know how they have special talents!

What can't they do anyway ? There's some buff chicks out there.

Read Lone Survivor, there isn't a woman alive that could have done that


back in 1980-81 I worked with several members of the Mossad (two of them women). Now, CI work is vastly different than combat - but these ladies could do the job. However, you have to remember that women in Israel are quite a bit more used to violence than the majority of women in America.

I'm certain that there is a segment of "women" that could perform in combat - but the vast majority? Not only NO, but HELL NO.

But then, on the other hand, equal means EQUAL. If women insist on being "equal" - they had better get used to seeing blood and guts. and especially their own......
 
While this is excellent news, I do believe that girls should have to register for the Selective Service when they turn 18 now.

And if you yahoos want "boots on the ground" in Syria and Iraq again? Absolutely institute the draft.


The draft should never have been stopped. NEVER. It does a young person good to serve.The idea that these limp-wrists have avoided serving since 1973 needs to stop. And, since we have had an "all volunteer" military, that young white men run away from - it will now fall upon you big, strong females to keep "We, the People" safe.....:Boom2:
 
As a father of 2 daughters I would advise them not to register. Neither one has any business on the battlefield. Youngest if she weighs more than 100Lb at graduation I'd be shocked....carry that 80 to 100lb pack on forced march...not going to happen, carry comrade to safety....sorry you're dead. Oldest doesnt have a confrontational bone in her body....you'd have to strip her very being away to get any kind of soldier...she'd be one of the first dead. This is nothing but insanity and while your Starship Trooper propo films make it look wonderful and adventurous reality bites hard....

Should do a poll on this find out how deep the insanity runs
 
Won't happen.

Women in combat roles is a terrible idea.

I agree. Woman will be a problem because most men think they will have to defend them in a fight.

That's not saying some woman would be very effective but I think they would to much of a distraction.
 
Today's wars are about winning hearts n minds . It can be advantageous to have women dealing wh the local women in these mid east foo bars !

Like women cops . Women and child victims are more likely to trust a lady cop .
 
Today's wars are about winning hearts n minds . It can be advantageous to have women dealing wh the local women in these mid east foo bars !

Like women cops . Women and child victims are more likely to trust a lady cop .


No…..it is the next war that you have to prepare for, not the last one….and the next one is probably going to be a ground war in Europe.
 

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