Woman shot at 3 times in gun controlled Britain....

[2aguy]

Here is actual video footage of a woman in Britain getting shot at by a guy with a gun... a gun he is not allowed to have since they banned and confiscated guns in 1997....

Terrifying moment gunman opens fire at female motorist in north London

This is the terrifying moment a gunman opened fire and repeatedly shot at a woman as she sat in her car during rush hour.

Scotland Yard said the 51-year-old woman will targeted as she made her way at work one morning in May in north London.

Officers said the “outrageous and brazen” attack would affect the victim for “years to come.”

CCTV footage shows the balaclava-clad attacker confronting the woman as she made her way to work, at about 8.30am, on Monday, May 14.


He approached her car when she was sat at the traffic lights on Beverley Drive and Stage Lane, in Brent.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Have their been any gun related deaths in the US during this period ?

 

[2aguy]

Have their been any gun related deaths in the US during this period ?

Yes...so? Your country banned and confiscated guns and your gun crime rates are going up.

More Americans now own and carry guns for self defense and our gun crime rate went down 75%.... our gun murder rate dropped 49%.... our violent crime rate went down 72%... See the difference?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Have their been any gun related deaths in the US during this period ?

Yes...so? Your country banned and confiscated guns and your gun crime rates are going up.

More Americans now own and carry guns for self defense and our gun crime rate went down 75%.... our gun murder rate dropped 49%.... our violent crime rate went down 72%... See the difference?

No. It would be horrific if our murder rates were a quarter of yours. You are just a cultist who doesnt give a shit. An infant shot himslef with one of your toys today. Why dont you address that ?

 

[2aguy]

Have their been any gun related deaths in the US during this period ?

Yes...so? Your country banned and confiscated guns and your gun crime rates are going up.

More Americans now own and carry guns for self defense and our gun crime rate went down 75%.... our gun murder rate dropped 49%.... our violent crime rate went down 72%... See the difference?

No. It would be horrific if our murder rates were a quarter of yours. You are just a cultist who doesnt give a shit. An infant shot himslef with one of your toys today. Why dont you address that ?

You do realize that your criminals actually have guns... more guns now than before you banned and confiscated them, they just do not use them to commit murder?

They have guns. They point those guns at victims. They often do not pull the triggers when they use them. They sometimes do pull the triggers but likely shoot the victim in the leg. At which point does British gun control step in and stop the criminal from using the illegal gun?

 

[2aguy]

Have their been any gun related deaths in the US during this period ?

Yes...so? Your country banned and confiscated guns and your gun crime rates are going up.

More Americans now own and carry guns for self defense and our gun crime rate went down 75%.... our gun murder rate dropped 49%.... our violent crime rate went down 72%... See the difference?

No. It would be horrific if our murder rates were a quarter of yours. You are just a cultist who doesnt give a shit. An infant shot himslef with one of your toys today. Why dont you address that ?

Yes... it happens.... likely the parent is a criminal who already is not legally allowed to buy, own or carry the gun but like British criminals, he got the gun illegally...

At the same time, Americans use their legal guns 2.4 million times a year to save lives, stopping rapes, robberies and murders.....

Why don't you address that?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Have their been any gun related deaths in the US during this period ?

Yes...so? Your country banned and confiscated guns and your gun crime rates are going up.

More Americans now own and carry guns for self defense and our gun crime rate went down 75%.... our gun murder rate dropped 49%.... our violent crime rate went down 72%... See the difference?

No. It would be horrific if our murder rates were a quarter of yours. You are just a cultist who doesnt give a shit. An infant shot himslef with one of your toys today. Why dont you address that ?

Yes... it happens.... likely the parent is a criminal who already is not legally allowed to buy, own or carry the gun but like British criminals, he got the gun illegally...

At the same time, Americans use their legal guns 2.4 million times a year to save lives, stopping rapes, robberies and murders.....

Why don't you address that?

Check out the numbers gunboy. Our way is better. Your way sees children slaughtered every week.

 

[2aguy]

Have their been any gun related deaths in the US during this period ?

Yes...so? Your country banned and confiscated guns and your gun crime rates are going up.

More Americans now own and carry guns for self defense and our gun crime rate went down 75%.... our gun murder rate dropped 49%.... our violent crime rate went down 72%... See the difference?

No. It would be horrific if our murder rates were a quarter of yours. You are just a cultist who doesnt give a shit. An infant shot himslef with one of your toys today. Why dont you address that ?

Yes... it happens.... likely the parent is a criminal who already is not legally allowed to buy, own or carry the gun but like British criminals, he got the gun illegally...

At the same time, Americans use their legal guns 2.4 million times a year to save lives, stopping rapes, robberies and murders.....

Why don't you address that?

Check out the numbers gunboy. Our way is better. Your way sees children slaughtered every week.

Your way isn't working...... your criminals are getting guns... they choose not to commit murder...for now. Once they decide to aim higher, your gun murder rate is going to go up... your children are now stabbing each other to death.... it won't take them much to realize they can shoot people too...

You morons always think that crime and culture are static......you are learning the difference a little each day.

 

[Vagabond63]

Ye gods, this again.
2aguy, is claiming that 17 million gun owners in the USA are responsible for a massive drop in murder, gun and other violent crime. 17 Million people out of a total adult population of 250 million in the US? 7% of your popluation are responsible for a 49% drop in Murders, a 75% drop in gun crime and 72% drop in violent crime overall?

In context, I live in a rural area of around 2000 people; I know that there are about 6-7 local farmers who own shotguns. There is no crime in my area, none. 1993 of us don't own guns, and there is no crime of any description where I live based on last year's crime statistics. I am NOT claiming that those 6-7 gun owners are responsible.

 

[ESay]

Have their been any gun related deaths in the US during this period ?

Yes...so? Your country banned and confiscated guns and your gun crime rates are going up.

More Americans now own and carry guns for self defense and our gun crime rate went down 75%.... our gun murder rate dropped 49%.... our violent crime rate went down 72%... See the difference?

For what purpose do you have the police in your country?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Have their been any gun related deaths in the US during this period ?

Yes...so? Your country banned and confiscated guns and your gun crime rates are going up.

More Americans now own and carry guns for self defense and our gun crime rate went down 75%.... our gun murder rate dropped 49%.... our violent crime rate went down 72%... See the difference?

For what purpose do you have the police in your country?

To control the Black population ?

 

[Vagabond63]

Have their been any gun related deaths in the US during this period ?

Yes...so? Your country banned and confiscated guns and your gun crime rates are going up.

More Americans now own and carry guns for self defense and our gun crime rate went down 75%.... our gun murder rate dropped 49%.... our violent crime rate went down 72%... See the difference?

For what purpose do you have the police in your country?

So we no longer have to call out the army or militia to keep order, oh, and also to ask for directions if our smartphone sat-nav isn't working.

 

[Vagabond63]

This is an interesting take on guns by a Brit ex-pat on US TV, worth watching all 20 minutes to get an insight into why 2aguy keeps posting this nonsense.

 

[night_son]

Have their been any gun related deaths in the US during this period ?

Yes...so? Your country banned and confiscated guns and your gun crime rates are going up.

More Americans now own and carry guns for self defense and our gun crime rate went down 75%.... our gun murder rate dropped 49%.... our violent crime rate went down 72%... See the difference?

For what purpose do you have the police in your country?

To enforce the law; not to prevent crime. In America crime deterrence lies mainly in the hands of citizens. Don't let your car running while you're not in it. Internal and external timed lights cycling while on vacation. Strong doors, good locks, security systems, dogs, neighborhood watch groups and vigilant neighbors--all measures Americans take to reduce chances of becoming victims. And lastly, many of us own, carry, maintain and train with a variety of firearms.

I reside in a small town twenty miles north of one of the highest crime rate cities in America. While the county sheriff's main precinct is two miles west, response times can vary wildly. Our county is largely rural with population centers spread out between highways and state roads meaning sheriff's deputies on duty at any given moment could be patrolling one mile away or thirty from my complex.

There's a very high risk involved in relying on the timely arrival of a sheriff's deputy to save a life from violent crime in progress. Relying on personal defensive weapons owned by myself and neighbors dramatically increases chances for survival.

I cannot imagine living in a place where adequate means of defending family and self have been prohibited. I would never live or raise a family in such a place.

 

[2aguy]

Have their been any gun related deaths in the US during this period ?

Yes...so? Your country banned and confiscated guns and your gun crime rates are going up.

More Americans now own and carry guns for self defense and our gun crime rate went down 75%.... our gun murder rate dropped 49%.... our violent crime rate went down 72%... See the difference?

For what purpose do you have the police in your country?

To arrest criminals after they commit the crime........ that is why most police believe that citizens should be able to not only own guns but carry them, since the majority of the time police arrive after the rape, robbery or murder..... too late to save the victim.

 

[2aguy]

This is an interesting take on guns by a Brit ex-pat on US TV, worth watching all 20 minutes to get an insight into why 2aguy keeps posting this nonsense.

No... it isn't an interesting take on guns.... he doesn't understand the issue, if he did, then he might have an interesting take....

 

[Skull Pilot]

Ye gods, this again.
2aguy, is claiming that 17 million gun owners in the USA are responsible for a massive drop in murder, gun and other violent crime. 17 Million people out of a total adult population of 250 million in the US? 7% of your popluation are responsible for a 49% drop in Murders, a 75% drop in gun crime and 72% drop in violent crime overall?

In context, I live in a rural area of around 2000 people; I know that there are about 6-7 local farmers who own shotguns. There is no crime in my area, none. 1993 of us don't own guns, and there is no crime of any description where I live based on last year's crime statistics. I am NOT claiming that those 6-7 gun owners are responsible.

FYI it's more like 100 million out of 350 million

I live a semi-rural area and nearly everyone owns, shotguns, semiautomatic rifles and handguns and our crime rate is near zero

In fact the state with the lowest murder rate in the US has some of the most lax gun laws while the states with much more stringent gun control have some of the highest murder rates

You knee bending Queen worshiping serfs shouldn't comment on the US because you don't know Jack shit about this country

 

[2aguy]

Have their been any gun related deaths in the US during this period ?

Yes...so? Your country banned and confiscated guns and your gun crime rates are going up.

More Americans now own and carry guns for self defense and our gun crime rate went down 75%.... our gun murder rate dropped 49%.... our violent crime rate went down 72%... See the difference?

For what purpose do you have the police in your country?

To control the Black population ?

No, the democrat party does that by letting violent gun criminals out of jail over and over again..... it is violent criminals with long histories of violence who kill more black men than any other group..... for some reason, the racist, democrat party has no problem with this situation.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Have their been any gun related deaths in the US during this period ?

Yes...so? Your country banned and confiscated guns and your gun crime rates are going up.

More Americans now own and carry guns for self defense and our gun crime rate went down 75%.... our gun murder rate dropped 49%.... our violent crime rate went down 72%... See the difference?

For what purpose do you have the police in your country?

Good question since the US Supreme Court ruled that the police have no legal obligation to come to the aid of anyone.

 

[2aguy]

Ye gods, this again.
2aguy, is claiming that 17 million gun owners in the USA are responsible for a massive drop in murder, gun and other violent crime. 17 Million people out of a total adult population of 250 million in the US? 7% of your popluation are responsible for a 49% drop in Murders, a 75% drop in gun crime and 72% drop in violent crime overall?

In context, I live in a rural area of around 2000 people; I know that there are about 6-7 local farmers who own shotguns. There is no crime in my area, none. 1993 of us don't own guns, and there is no crime of any description where I live based on last year's crime statistics. I am NOT claiming that those 6-7 gun owners are responsible.

No....what you fail to see, since you are not actually thinking.... is that law abiding gun owners, who also carry guns....does not increase violent crime, gun crime or gun murder.... there is also an effect on the overall crime rate as actual research shows...but the core idea of anti gunners like you, is that more guns = more gun crime.... and that is not true. Actual history shows the exact opposite.... law abiding people who own and carry guns do not cause crime or violence....it isn't guns or gun ownership, it is how we address actual criminals.

I also have actual studies that show that yes, armed citizens can help reduce violent crime....

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Bartley-Cohen-Economic-Inquiry-1998.pdf


The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

.....we find strong support for the hypothesis that the right-to-carry laws are associated with a decrease in the trend in violent crime rates.....

Paper........CCW does not increase police deaths...

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Mustard-JLE-Polic-Deaths-Gun-Control.pdf

This paper uses state-level data from 1984–96 to examine how right-to-carry laws and waiting periods affect the felonious deaths of police. Some people oppose concealed weapons carry laws because they believe these laws jeopardize law enforcement officials, who risk their lives to protect the citizenry. This paper strongly rejects this contention. States that allowed law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons had a slightly higher likelihood of having a felonious police death and slightly higher police death rates prior to the law. After enactment of the right-to-carry laws, states exhibit a reduced likelihood of having a felonious police death rate and slightly lower rates of police deaths. States that implement waiting periods have slightly lower felonious police death rates both before and after the law. Allowing law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons does not endanger the lives of officers and may help reduce their risk of being killed

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http://johnrlott.tripod.com/tideman.pdf


Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

However, for all three crime categories the levels in years 2 and 3 after adoption of a right-to-carry law are significantly below the levels in the years before the adoption of the law, which suggests that there is generally a deterrent effect and that it takes about 1 year for this effect to emerge.

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http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/323313

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness*




Carlisle E. Moody
College of William and Mary
Overall, right‐to‐carry concealed weapons laws tend to reduce violent crime. The effect on property crime is more uncertain. I find evidence that these laws also reduce burglary.
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http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Helland-Tabarrok-Placebo-Laws.pdf
Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime”∗ Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok

We also find, however, that the cross equation restrictions implied by the Lott-Mustard theory are supported.
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Surprisingly, therefore, we conclude that there is considerable support for the hypothesis that shall-issue laws cause criminals to substitute away from crimes against persons and towards crimes against property.
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http://johnrlott.tripod.com/Maltz.pdf


Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Our results indicated that the direction of effect of the shall-issue law on total SHR homicide rates was similar to that obtained by Lott and Mustard, although the magnitude of the effect was somewhat smaller and was statistically significant at the 7 percent level. In our analysis, which included only counties with a 1977 population of 100,000 or more, laws allowing for concealed weapons were associated with a 6.52 percent reduction in total homicides (Table 2). By comparison, Lott and Mustard found the concealed weapon dummy variable to be associated with a 7.65 percent reduction in total homicides across all counties and a 9 percent reduction in homicides when only large counties (populations of 100,000 or more) were included.43

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This one shows the benefits, in the billions of CCW laws...

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/Plassmann_Whitley.pdf

COMMENTS Confirming ìMore Guns, Less Crimeî Florenz Plassmann* & John Whitley**

CONCLUSION Analyzing county-level data for the entire United States from 1977 to 2000, we find annual reductions in murder rates between 1.5% and 2.3% for each additional year that a right-to-carry law is in effect. For the first five years that such a law is in effect, the total benefit from reduced crimes usually ranges between about $2 and $3 billion per year. The results are very similar to earlier estimates using county-level data from 1977 to 1996. We appreciate the continuing effort that Ayres and Donohue have made in discussing the impact of right-to-carry laws on crime rates. Yet we believe that both the new evidence provided by them as well as our new results show consistently that right-to-carry laws reduce crime and save lives. Unfortunately, a few simple mistakes lead Ayres and Donohue to incorrectly claim that crime rates significantly increase after right-to-carry laws are initially adopted and to misinterpret the significance of their own estimates that examined the year-to-year impact of the law.

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http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content...An-Exercise-in-Replication.proof_.revised.pdf

~ The Impact of Right-to-Carry Laws on Crime: An Exercise in Replication1

Carlisle E. Moody College of William and Mary - Department of Economics, Virginia 23187, U.S.A. E-mail: [email protected] Thomas B. Marvell Justec Research, Virginia 23185, U.S.A. Paul R. Zimmerman U.S. Federal Trade Commission - Bureau of Economics, Washington, D.C., U.S.A. Fasil Alemante College of William and Mary, Virginia 23187, U.S.A.


Abstract: In an article published in 2011, Aneja, Donohue and Zhang found that shall-issue or right-to-carry (RTC) concealed weapons laws have no effect on any crime except for a positive effect on assault. This paper reports a replication of their basic findings and some corresponding robustness checks, which reveal a serious omitted variable problem. Once corrected for omitted variables, the most robust result, confirmed using both county and state data, is that RTC laws significantly reduce murder. There is no robust, consistent evidence that RTC laws have any significant effect on other violent crimes, including assault. There is some weak evidence that RTC laws increase robbery and assault while decreasing rape. Given that the victim costs of murder and rape are much higher than the costs of robbery and assault, the evidence shows that RTC laws are socially beneficial.

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States with lower guns = higher murder....and assault weapon ban pointless..

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504851.2013.854294

An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates
Mark Gius

Abstract
The purpose of the present study is to determine the effects of state-level assault weapons bans and concealed weapons laws on state-level murder rates. Using data for the period 1980 to 2009 and controlling for state and year fixed effects, the results of the present study suggest that states with restrictions on the carrying of concealed weapons had higher gun-related murder rates than other states. It was also found that assault weapons bans did not significantly affect murder rates at the state level. These results suggest that restrictive concealed weapons laws may cause an increase in gun-related murders at the state level. The results of this study are consistent with some prior research in this area, most notably Lott and Mustard (1997).





Taking apart ayre and donahue one....




“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008 It is also available here..



Abstract
“Shall-issue” laws require authorities to issue concealed-weapons permits to anyone who applies, unless the applicant has a criminal record or a history of mental illness. A large number of studies indicate that shall-issue laws reduce crime. Only one study, an influential paper in the Stanford Law Review (2003) by Ian Ayres and John J. Donohue iii, implies that these laws lead to an increase in crime. We apply an improved version of the Ayres and Donohue method to a more extensive data set. Our analysis, as well as Ayres and Donohue’s when projected beyond a five-year span, indicates that shall-issue laws decrease crime and the costs of crime. Purists in statistical analysis object with some cause to some of methods employed both by Ayres and Donohue and by us. But our paper upgrades Ayres and Donohue, so, until the next study comes along, our paper should neutralize Ayres and Donohue’s “more guns, more crime” conclusion.

Summary and Conclusion Many articles have been published finding that shall-issue laws reduce crime. Only one article, by Ayres and Donohue who employ a model that combines a dummy variable with a post-law trend, claims to find that shall-issue laws increase crime. However, the only way that they can produce the result that shall-issue laws increase crime is to confine the span of analysis to five years. We show, using their own estimates, that if they had extended their analysis by one more year, they would have concluded that these laws reduce crime. Since most states with shallissue laws have had these laws on the books for more than five years, and the law will presumably remain on the books for some time, the only relevant analysis extends beyond five years. We extend their analysis by adding three more years of data, control for the effects of crack cocaine, control for dynamic effects, and correct the standard errors for clustering. We find that there is an initial increase in crime due to passage of the shall-issue law that is dwarfed over time by the decrease in crime associated with the post-law trend. These results are very similar to those of Ayres and Donohue, properly interpreted. The modified Ayres and Donohue model finds that shall-issue laws significantly reduce murder and burglary across all the adopting states. These laws appear to significantly increase assault, and have no net effect on rape, robbery, larceny, or auto theft. However, in the long run only the trend coefficients matter. We estimate a net benefit of $450 million per year as a result of the passage of these laws. We also estimate that, up through 2000, there was a cumulative overall net benefit of these laws of $28 billion since their passage. We think that there is credible statistical evidence that these laws lower the costs of crime. But at the very least, the present study should neutralize any “more guns, more crime” thinking based on Ayres and Donohue’s work in the Stanford Law Review. We acknowledge that, especially in light of the methodological issues of the literature in general, the magnitudes derived from our analysis of crime statistics and the supposed costs of crime might be dwarfed by other considerations in judging the policy issue. Some might contend that allowing individuals to carry a concealed weapon is a moral or cultural bad. Others might contend that greater liberty is a moral or cultural good. All we are confident in saying is that the evidence, such as it is, seems to support the hypothesis that the shall-issue law is generally beneficial with respect to its overall long run effect on crime.



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