With Just 2 or 3 More Percent of the White Vote, Romney Would Have Won

Discussion in 'Clean Debate Zone' started by William Joyce, Nov 12, 2012.

  1. Staidhup
    Offline

    Staidhup Gold Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2012
    Messages:
    3,039
    Thanks Received:
    526
    Trophy Points:
    155
    Location:
    PNW
    Ratings:
    +1,341
    Romney failed to instill a message and sense of direction that could win the harts of independents. The lack of a cohesive plan and consistent platform doomed his campaign in the primary. America will not elect a minority party candidate that changes his position to get elected.
     
  2. JoeB131
    Offline

    JoeB131 Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2011
    Messages:
    89,225
    Thanks Received:
    7,547
    Trophy Points:
    1,815
    Location:
    Chicago, Chicago, that Toddling Town
    Ratings:
    +18,273
    I think you've probably painted yourself into a corner on that issue, given your past statements.

    That said, it doesn't matter if 2-3% more of the white vote would have gotten Romney elected. He didn't get it. More to the point, minorities will be a larger slice of the electorate in the future, so the GOP needs to undo some of the damage it's done to itself in the last 50 years alienating them. More to the point, since the next Democratic nominee is going to be white, that probably means about 2-3% of that blue collar white vote will shift back to the Democrats.

    In 1956, Ike got 39% of the black vote, and in 1960, Nixon (yes, Nixon) got 30% of the black vote. Then Barry Goldwater opposed the Civil Rights act of 1964, and that dropped to 6%. No Republican has topped 15% of the black vote since, and instead of undoing the damage, they made it worse.

    From Nixon's "Southern Strategy" to Reagan's "Welfare Queen" to Bush-41's Willie Horton ads, the GOP has played on white fear. The only guy who got it right (kind of) was Bush-43, who sought out minority votes and appointed prominant minorities to important positions.
     
  3. JoeB131
    Offline

    JoeB131 Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2011
    Messages:
    89,225
    Thanks Received:
    7,547
    Trophy Points:
    1,815
    Location:
    Chicago, Chicago, that Toddling Town
    Ratings:
    +18,273
    Again, the problem here is that you see race as an important factor. Fewer people do. I've been in interracial relationships, so are a lot of folks I know.

    People are people, and frankly, I look at Asians, HIspanics and blacks as kind of being in the same boat I'm in. Trying to get by while the 1% takes advantage of us.
     
  4. racewright
    Offline

    racewright Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2010
    Messages:
    428
    Thanks Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    51
    Location:
    nyc
    Ratings:
    +32
    You know I listen and read all these things about race not being important and the 1% are screwing us and bla bla bla.
    When you talk about freedom on this site and a young person comments WHAT DO YOU MEAN I'M NOT IN JAIL. This is about as dumb as it can get.
    Wake up and smell the coffee there will always be this white guilt thing taught in schools, frankly with the hatred switched to the white man (yes I'm one) I for one am sick of it.

    Oh yes some what I call girls gone wild women have lost there life fighting in Wars to free the world and yea there have been blacks that have died in wars to keep the world free,and some Spanish speaking immigrants also but nothing I repeat nothing like the numbers of white (hated) males from the Civil war,WW1,WW11,KOREA,VIETNAM,AND OUR RECENT DESERT WARS.
    If all the lives lost to pay for the freedoms and rights to assembly and voting was fair (remember the liberal term fare share) there would be hundreds of thousands more white males and hundreds of thousands of less women, blacks and spanish speaking people in the USA.
     
  5. JoeB131
    Offline

    JoeB131 Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2011
    Messages:
    89,225
    Thanks Received:
    7,547
    Trophy Points:
    1,815
    Location:
    Chicago, Chicago, that Toddling Town
    Ratings:
    +18,273
    Except for the Civil War and WWII, none of those wars were about "Freedom".

    World War I was about the fact we let the British Empire borrow a bunch of money to buy weapons, and we couldn't let them lose and defualt.

    And frankly, when I was in the army, I saw as many black and brown folks ready to throw down for their country, and not a lot of rich people.
     
  6. jillian
    Offline

    jillian Princess Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2006
    Messages:
    73,608
    Thanks Received:
    13,464
    Trophy Points:
    2,220
    Location:
    The Other Side of Paradise
    Ratings:
    +25,248
    what war has been fought to "free the world" since WWII?
     
  7. racewright
    Offline

    racewright Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2010
    Messages:
    428
    Thanks Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    51
    Location:
    nyc
    Ratings:
    +32
    Like I said all wars are about Freedom, you may wish to give your opinion as to other reasons
    remember a democrat put us in Vietnam (my War) and a democrat kept us there.
    The Bush fool put us in Iraq but the democratic congress and senate told him to go , and now here we are still in the desert and a Democrat has had 4 years to get us out and we are still there
    YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY IT IS BECAUSE THE WHITE MAN ARE THE ONES THAT ARE LOOSING THERE LIFE'S AND NOT A FAIR SHARE OF WOMEN , BLACKS AND HISPANICS.

    So again I submit you all do not appreciate what the white man has done for you and as you were educated you never will give credit fairly all you want to do is steal from those who have made your freedoms possible .
    And don't go and say wars are not about freedom you only look DUMB and insult those who have lost there lives believing in there government.

    I used to believe in the JFK saying ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for you country. This was removed from the class room almost as fast as it was said the takers can not have this be there motto. And is no longer mine.
     
  8. racewright
    Offline

    racewright Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2010
    Messages:
    428
    Thanks Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    51
    Location:
    nyc
    Ratings:
    +32
    Ok got it you do admit that CIVIL WAR WW1 & WWII were fought for freedom--and how about letting you superior Internet skills post how many white men ,blacks and women lost there lives so you have the freedom to disagree that all the other wars were about something other than freedom. In the interest of FAIR SHARE
     
  9. racewright
    Offline

    racewright Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2010
    Messages:
    428
    Thanks Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    51
    Location:
    nyc
    Ratings:
    +32
    Don't tell me about what you saw your comparison is not valid--it is not about rich v/s black and brown it is about White V's black and brown and girls gone wild.
    Your TV has put up a mis direction play so the Fair Share subject only covers one side of the truth.
     
  10. Hoot
    Offline

    Hoot Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2011
    Messages:
    26
    Thanks Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    1
    Ratings:
    +7
    It's not a black and white thing anymore, guys.

    If Romney would've gotten the same amount of Hispanic votes Bush got in 2000, Romney would be Prez-elect now. Romney's hard line stance on immigration (self-deportation) back in March, in an attempt to appeal to the far right fringes of the party, doomed his campaign.

    Republicans should also note they only need to gain votes of apprx 4 more people out of every 100 votes cast, yet instead of trying to pull more voters into their fold, they'd rather fight this president and alienate an ever growing list of voters...gays, immigrants, women, the young..etc.

    Repubs had better wake up, or be a footnote in history.
     

Share This Page