With jerks like republicans, who needs friends?

[Psychoblues]

I'm just a working class type that tries his best to pay his bills and make a fair living. I also appreciate clean air, water, food and a chance for my kids to at least achieve my own level of success. And, I hate to add, I desparately need adequate and affordable healthcare for myself and my family.

The republicans, as the present ruling party, have no excuse for their failures on these issues. Don't you think?

 

[jimnyc]

With no brained Democrats you don't have a hope in hell for any of that, but you'll have an opportunity to be broke! Can you dig it?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by Psychoblues
I'm just a working class type that tries his best to pay his bills and make a fair living. I also appreciate clean air, water, food and a chance for my kids to at least achieve my own level of success. And, I hate to add, I desparately need adequate and affordable healthcare for myself and my family.

The republicans, as the present ruling party, have no excuse for their failures on these issues. Don't you think?

If the economic well being of america concerns you, you should fight high taxes, they are what slows the economy.

When the dems were the "ruling party" did they have any excuse for imperfections in society?

 

[Moi]

Originally posted by Psychoblues
I'm just a working class type that tries his best to pay his bills and make a fair living. I also appreciate clean air, water, food and a chance for my kids to at least achieve my own level of success. And, I hate to add, I desparately need adequate and affordable healthcare for myself and my family.

The republicans, as the present ruling party, have no excuse for their failures on these issues. Don't you think?

No- I make enough money, have enough food, am able to get medical care, etc. I am safer in my home. Try travelling around this world to see just how damn good you really have it here.

If you so desperately need adequate and affordable healthcare, you should be lobbying against frivolous law suits, ridiculous medical procedures, against insurance for self-inflicted illnesses, etc. You should also fight against illegal immigrants and others who don't contribute to this country from getting the services too. That would drastically keep the cost down to those who pay.

 

[jon_forward]

Originally posted by Moi
No- I make enough money, have enough food, am able to get medical care, etc. I am safer in my home. Try travelling around this world to see just how damn good you really have it here.

If you so desperately need adequate and affordable healthcare, you should be lobbying against frivolous law suits, ridiculous medical procedures, against insurance for self-inflicted illnesses, etc. You should also fight against illegal immigrants and others who don't contribute to this country from getting the services too. That would drastically keep the cost down to those who pay.

 

[Avatar4321]

Originally posted by Psychoblues
I'm just a working class type that tries his best to pay his bills and make a fair living. I also appreciate clean air, water, food and a chance for my kids to at least achieve my own level of success. And, I hate to add, I desparately need adequate and affordable healthcare for myself and my family.

The republicans, as the present ruling party, have no excuse for their failures on these issues. Don't you think?

If you havent noticed the employment statistics lately around 95% of Americans are employeed and hence working to try their pay their bills and make a fair living. the other 5.6 % are looking for work and will soon be rejoining the working class. If it werent for the policy of the Bush administrations there would be a much higher % of Americans that arent currently working and hence not in the working class.

Also, if you want your children to have success. Stop protecting the Democrat monopoly on schools. They have been the ruling class for the last 50 years and our school system has gone to hades because of it. Republicans have been proposing ways to make education more effective. Methods like vouchers and accountability to name a few. If you care about your children and other children in the up and coming generation you would support ways to make schooling better. Throwing more money into a failing system isnt going to help.

As for clean air, water, and food, Do you know anyone who wants dirty air, water, and food? Republicans sure dont. But then the problem with those has never been in the United States. Because of our technological advances we have the cleanest in all three areas. The problem is in the developing companies where they cant afford the environmentally safe technology. Rather than rally against capitalism, which of course gave you your job to begin with, you should be supporting the development of more technology and take capitalism to more place in the world. It benefits no one in the long term to destroy the environment. Which is why Capitalism will protect it if you let it.

 

[Avatar4321]

Oh and if you only want your Children to be successful as you rather than more successful then you, and arent encouraging them to live the American dream, you ought to start.

 

[Psychoblues]

There are so many conflicting points here I don't know where to start. Let me evolve this conversation into one major point.

1. (One) Republicans consistently stuff their own pockets to the vast expense of others. Period.

Working folks that vote Republican are being snafued by the advertisements and media compliance that form inaccurate and self defeating decisions. Check your political histories, my friends. Republicans have always fought higher wages as compensation for higher productivity, adequate compensation for victims of work-related injuries or death. Even our system of Social Security is attacked daily by those that can readily afford their own retirement but have no compassion whatsoever for the millions that worked hard every day of every year of their lives but now have nothing to rely on for their old age and disabled situations.

Personally, I am ashamed that our media and schools teach so much propaganda and are little concerned with historical and on-going facts.

 

[Avatar4321]

I am a working american and i can promise you ive never been hurt by someone else working and making money doing so.

 

[Moi]

Originally posted by Psychoblues
There are so many conflicting points here I don't know where to start. Let me evolve this conversation into one major point.

1. (One) Republicans consistently stuff their own pockets to the vast expense of others. Period.

Working folks that vote Republican are being snafued by the advertisements and media compliance that form inaccurate and self defeating decisions. Check your political histories, my friends. Republicans have always fought higher wages as compensation for higher productivity, adequate compensation for victims of work-related injuries or death. Even our system of Social Security is attacked daily by those that can readily afford their own retirement but have no compassion whatsoever for the millions that worked hard every day of every year of their lives but now have nothing to rely on for their old age and disabled situations.

Personally, I am ashamed that our media and schools teach so much propaganda and are little concerned with historical and on-going facts.

Un, there are so many conflicting stupidities here where to start?

Let's see...

First of all, I vote republican because I want to, because I need to and because I benefit from it. Not because some scatterbrained media flunkie told me too.

Secondly, I fight higher minimum wage, less compensation for the so-called injured and social security....gee, I have no trust fund.

And my schooling, which took place decades ago and continues today, taught me the truth. That the only thing that takes anything away from me is the liberal, good-for-nothing rewarding-of-laziness and sloth democratic agenda of handouts.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by Moi
Un, there are so many conflicting stupidities here where to start?

Let's see...

First of all, I vote republican because I want to, because I need to and because I benefit from it. Not because some scatterbrained media flunkie told me too.

Secondly, I fight higher minimum wage, less compensation for the so-called injured and social security....gee, I have no trust fund.

And my schooling, which took place decades ago and continues today, taught me the truth. That the only thing that takes anything away from me is the liberal, good-for-nothing rewarding-of-laziness and sloth democratic agenda of handouts.

give me my entitlement moi

 

[Psychoblues]

The typical Republican can't follow me in my day's work, DK, much less actually have to perform it. That's my view from over 40 years in the work force. But the "productivity" thing is just a scheme to get more for less, isn't it? I don't expect many here to realize or understand that truism.

 

[Moi]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
give me my entitlement moi

You, apparently, aren't lazy, uneducated and a minority. Had you shown traits of any of the above you'd be properly handed out to.

 

[Psychoblues]

OK, Moi, you think that the uneducated, the minorities and the lazy as you perceive them are not entitled. You're probably including women in that minority snippet, aren't you?

Why would anyone be uneducated in this day and age by choice, Moi? I know many people that are just scared shitless by minorities, including women and I wonder why. You're not one of them, are you?

 

[Moi]

Originally posted by Psychoblues
OK, Moi, you think that the uneducated, the minorities and the lazy as you perceive them are not entitled. You're probably including women in that minority snippet, aren't you?

Why would anyone be uneducated in this day and age by choice, Moi? I know many people that are just scared shitless by minorities, including women and I wonder why. You're not one of them, are you?

Still haven't taken that reading class have you?

 

[Avatar4321]

Originally posted by Psychoblues
Why would anyone be uneducated in this day and age by choice, Moi? I know many people that are just scared shitless by minorities, including women and I wonder why. You're not one of them, are you?

Yes, there are alot of people who are willfully ignorant. quite a number on this board from both sides of the isle.

 

[Psychoblues]

Reluctantly, and shamefully, I'll buy that. But what do you say about the ones that can't spell much beyond their names or have no clue as to how an automobile or an engine is constructed or the sine tables or Keynesian economics? Are they the uneducated that you are talking about?

The smartest mechanic I ever knew was illiterate. The smartest CEO I ever knew had a third grade education. People generally rise to their own levels of expectation regardless of "education" and degree. Stifled as we are by Republicans, my kind will survive. That's what makes America the greatest country on Earth. I ain't afraid of the women or the other perceived "minorities" either. They deserve every chance and break they can get. Just like you, don't you agree?

 

[DKSuddeth]

quoted by Psychoblues

The typical Republican can't follow me in my day's work, DK, much less actually have to perform it. That's my view from over 40 years in the work force. But the "productivity" thing is just a scheme to get more for less, isn't it? I don't expect many here to realize or understand that truism.

Thats awful arrogant of you, considering that 'the typical republican' is the working majority of their party. Besides the small percentage that are in office, work for office holders, or are in the executive arena most are in the working class like you and me. In essence, you're trying to say that you work harder than a majority of people in this country and I would say thats hard to say considering the limited knowledge ANYONE has of what that many working people do.

quoted by Moi

You, apparently, aren't lazy, uneducated and a minority.

Thank you

quoted by Pshycoblues

OK, Moi, you think that the uneducated, the minorities and the lazy as you perceive them are not entitled. You're probably including women in that minority snippet, aren't you? Why would anyone be uneducated in this day and age by choice, Moi? I know many people that are just scared shitless by minorities, including women and I wonder why. You're not one of them, are you?

Phsyco, I know you're supposed to be on the Liberal side, but you need to get as much of a grip on reality as you demand from the other side. The 'uneducated' come in all forms..black, white, red, and yellow. SOME, and I stress the word SOME, of this uneducation comes from the lack of options period. I have actually talked to and held hands with some of these uneducated kids in the form of 8 and 10 year olds in the mountains of West Virginia. This isn't by choice, this is pure unadulterated circumstance to them. On the flip side of that, not being educated IS a choice for the majority. How many schools, not just inner city ones, pass kids just to get them OUT of school. Those kids CHOOSE to screw around with their education. THATS a choice to them. The minorities have a choice as well. Its not an easy choice and YES, sometimes they need some help but not a handout. When the minority person(s) is/are discriminated against simply because of their skin color, its the job of the LAW to set it right by taking said discriminator to justice. To those that feel its perfectly legal for an employer to not hire someone because of the color of their skin.....If its a PRIVATE company, I say fine. If its a PUBLIC company, meaning its stock is available on the exchange, then I say not only no, but HELL NO!!!.

The plain LAZY????? too bad for them, I say.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Originally posted by Avatar4321
Oh and if you only want your Children to be successful as you rather than more successful then you, and arent encouraging them to live the American dream, you ought to start.

What, though, is the "American Dream"? Is it freedom of opportunity?...Is it the liberty to pursue your goals?...Is it the freedom to speak ones mind without fear or reprisal?...Is it the freedom to live in peace, without fear of one's neighbors?...It is all of these things, and more.

However, these ideals seem to be getting lost in the shuffle of mindless overconsumption, anti-intelleculism, sensationalism, ignorance and ennui. Unless our children wake up to the real "Americam Dream", start thinking for themselves and taking responsibility for their lives they will be worse off than their parents.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by Bullypulpit
What, though, is the "American Dream"? Is it freedom of opportunity?...Is it the liberty to pursue your goals?...Is it the freedom to speak ones mind without fear or reprisal?...Is it the freedom to live in peace, without fear of one's neighbors?...It is all of these things, and more.

However, these ideals seem to be getting lost in the shuffle of mindless overconsumption, anti-intelleculism, sensationalism, ignorance and ennui. Unless our children wake up to the real "Americam Dream", start thinking for themselves and taking responsibility for their lives they will be worse off than their parents.

Your mode of thinking doesn't promote self reliance. It promotes bitching, whining, socialism and villification of success. It has nothing to do with the "American Dream" as conventionally known. Who are you trying to fool exactly?