Wire Law Hampers Search For Kidnapped GI's

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    Well folks, this is what happenes when we try to fight a PC war.

    And this was in Iraq!!!!!!!!!


    'WIRE' LAW FAILED LOST GI
    10-HOUR DELAY AS FEDS SOUGHT TAP TO TRACK JIMENEZ CAPTORS IN IRAQ
    By CHARLES HURT, Bureau Chief


    October 15, 2007 -- WASHINGTON - U.S. intelligence officials got mired for nearly 10 hours seeking approval to use wiretaps against al Qaeda terrorists suspected of kidnapping Queens soldier Alex Jimenez in Iraq earlier this year, The Post has learned.

    This week, Congress plans to vote on a bill that leaves in place the legal hurdles in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act - problems that were highlighted during the May search for a group of kidnapped U.S. soldiers.

    In the early hours of May 12, seven U.S. soldiers - including Spc. Jimenez - were on lookout near a patrol base in the al Qaeda-controlled area of Iraq called the "Triangle of Death."

    Sometime before dawn, heavily armed al Qaeda gunmen quietly cut through the tangles of concertina wire surrounding the outpost of two Humvees and made a massive and coordinated surprise attack.

    Four of the soldiers were killed on the spot and three others were taken hostage.

    A search to rescue the men was quickly launched. But it soon ground to a halt as lawyers - obeying strict U.S. laws about surveillance - cobbled together the legal grounds for wiretapping the suspected kidnappers.

    Starting at 10 a.m. on May 15, according to a timeline provided to Congress by the director of national intelligence, lawyers for the National Security Agency met and determined that special approval from the attorney general would be required first.

    For an excruciating nine hours and 38 minutes, searchers in Iraq waited as U.S. lawyers discussed legal issues and hammered out the "probable cause" necessary for the attorney general to grant such "emergency" permission.

    Finally, approval was granted and, at 7:38 that night, surveillance began.

    "The intelligence community was forced to abandon our soldiers because of the law," a senior congressional staffer with access to the classified case told The Post.

    "How many lawyers does it take to rescue our soldiers?" he asked. "It should be zero."

    The FISA law applies even to a cellphone conversation between two people in Iraq, because those communications zip along wires through U.S. hubs, which is where the taps are typically applied.

    U.S. officials had no way of knowing if Jimenez and his fellow soldiers were still alive during the nearly 10-hour delay.

    The body of one was found a few weeks later in the Euphrates River and the terror group Islamic State of Iraq - an al Qaeda offshoot - later claimed in a video that Jimenez and the third soldier had been executed and buried.

    "This is terrible. If they would have acted sooner, maybe they would have found something out and been able to find my son," said Jimenez's mother, Maria Duran. "Oh my God. I just keep asking myself, where is my son? What could have happened to him?"

    Duran said she was especially frustrated, "because I thought they were doing everything possible to find him."

    "You know that this is how this country is - everything is by the law. They just did not want to break the law, and I understand that. They should change the law, because God only knows what type of information they could have found during that time period."

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/10152007/news/nationalnews/wire_law_failed__lost_gi.htm
     
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    Interesting issue. So, should the law be ignored every time it gets in the way?
     
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    at least you admit, terrorist "rights" come beforethe lives of US troops
     
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    No...this law as written should be in the shitcan, where the brains of those that support it are....
     
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    No direct answers as usual. Pathetic responses.
     
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    What part of NO did you not understand ?
     
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    It is odd...I have read FISA. There is no ten hour restriction placed on putting wiretaps in place. wiretaps can be placed immediately, and the administration has 72 hours after the fact to get the FISA court to grant a warrant. This is fake news.
     
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    WHAT???? FAKE NEWS??? How can that be? Did they get it from "fake soldiers"? or "fake reporters"? Maybe they got it from "fake sources"!

    NAw, no media would EVER do such a thing!
     
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    Oh your response? It wasn't clear. If you can make your point I can discuss it.

    I asked - So, should the law be ignored every time it gets in the way?

    You responded -
    No...this law as written should be in the shitcan, where the brains of those that support it are....

    No, the law should never be ignored? See where the difficulty arises? Your sentence seems to be internally contradictory.
     
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    Lets not get our undies in a wad, laws hamper everything, I believe there is a law to that effect.................:eusa_shhh:
     

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