Windfarms can kill Eagles for 30 years

[Intense]

With no penalty....well some of them, no doubt friends of the Big O. 30 years should be enough to kill off most of them. Good job fake environmentalists... Assholes..

"SEATTLE — In a decision that highlights the clash between two cherished environmental goals — producing green energy and preserving protected wildlife — federal officials announced Friday that some wind power companies will be allowed to kill or injure bald and golden eagles for up to 30 years without penalty.


Conservation groups decried the Obama administration's new regulation as a "stunningly bad move" for wildlife, but wind industry officials said Friday that the rules from the Department of the Interior were far from a "free ride."

"Instead of balancing the need for conservation and renewable energy, Interior wrote the wind industry a blank check," National Audubon Society President David Yarnold said in a statement. "It's outrageous that the government is sanctioning the killing of America's symbol, the bald eagle."


Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com





Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com

Seems like the Court is more interested in giving free passes to an industry than in the technical advancement of safe guards to protect birds. Why is that? This does not need to be a Left/Right issue. Obviously there is a problem that needs to be solved. Diverting argument, blame, focus, does nothing to fix the problem.

 

[freedombecki]

With no penalty....well some of them, no doubt friends of the Big O. 30 years should be enough to kill off most of them. Good job fake environmentalists... Assholes..

"SEATTLE — In a decision that highlights the clash between two cherished environmental goals — producing green energy and preserving protected wildlife — federal officials announced Friday that some wind power companies will be allowed to kill or injure bald and golden eagles for up to 30 years without penalty.

Conservation groups decried the Obama administration's new regulation as a "stunningly bad move" for wildlife, but wind industry officials said Friday that the rules from the Department of the Interior were far from a "free ride."

"Instead of balancing the need for conservation and renewable energy, Interior wrote the wind industry a blank check," National Audubon Society President David Yarnold said in a statement. "It's outrageous that the government is sanctioning the killing of America's symbol, the bald eagle."

Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com

Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com

Seems like the Court is more interested in giving free passes to an industry than in the technical advancement of safe guards to protect birds. Why is that? This does not need to be a Left/Right issue. Obviously there is a problem that needs to be solved. Diverting argument, blame, focus, does nothing to fix the problem.

If it takes humiliating the source of the problem, which from what I read was the Obama administration itself, to save several ornithologists' life works of regenerating the Bald Eagle specie, and get the feds to back down from granting permission to kill Bald Eagles (and Golden Eagles) who will go right back to being endangered with the proliferation of the hideous and dangerous monster turbines that mar the landscapes with killing blades for a 5% contribution to energy, it isn't worth it.

I'm just horrified about the whole business--the hiding, the false studies based on too few carcasses being found a couple of times a year, when the average disappearance time for an animal carcass the size of an elk is under a week, and smaller species can be mere hours, and instant if predators are about. I'm certain some predators have full tummies just for hanging out below the turbines, knowing some big meals to go are guaranteed. In fact, the turbines are just a mechanism for fast foods in remote reaches where nobody wants to go due to the barren landscapes, the cold and harsh of winter, and other amenities nice for predators on the ground.

 

[Mr. H.]

Gives "no blood for oil" a whole new meaning.

Never mind the ends, as long as they justify the Green means.

 

[RollingThunder]

With no penalty....well some of them, no doubt friends of the Big O. 30 years should be enough to kill off most of them. Good job fake environmentalists... Assholes..

"SEATTLE — In a decision that highlights the clash between two cherished environmental goals — producing green energy and preserving protected wildlife — federal officials announced Friday that some wind power companies will be allowed to kill or injure bald and golden eagles for up to 30 years without penalty.

Conservation groups decried the Obama administration's new regulation as a "stunningly bad move" for wildlife, but wind industry officials said Friday that the rules from the Department of the Interior were far from a "free ride."

"Instead of balancing the need for conservation and renewable energy, Interior wrote the wind industry a blank check," National Audubon Society President David Yarnold said in a statement. "It's outrageous that the government is sanctioning the killing of America's symbol, the bald eagle."

Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com
Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com

Seems like the Court is more interested in giving free passes to an industry than in the technical advancement of safe guards to protect birds. Why is that? This does not need to be a Left/Right issue. Obviously there is a problem that needs to be solved. Diverting argument, blame, focus, does nothing to fix the problem.

The wind power industry companies are working with federal regulators, scientists and bird advocacy groups to "fix the problem". Did you somehow fail to read post #35 above? In any case, the bird deaths from wind turbines, including eagles, while deplorable and unfortunate and hopefully reducible through improved technology, pale to near insignificance compared to the number of birds kills due to all human activities and presence. They are pretty insignificant just compared to all of the activities and operations of the fossil fuel industry plus all of the oil spills (see post #33). Denigrating wind turbines for killing birds when they can replace or reduce the activities of the fossil fuel industry that are demonstrably killing far, far greater numbers of birds seems very retarded and certainly more motivated by a desire to protect the trillion dollar fossil fuel industry profit stream than by any actual concern for the birds.

 

[freedombecki]

With no penalty....well some of them, no doubt friends of the Big O. 30 years should be enough to kill off most of them. Good job fake environmentalists... Assholes..

"SEATTLE — In a decision that highlights the clash between two cherished environmental goals — producing green energy and preserving protected wildlife — federal officials announced Friday that some wind power companies will be allowed to kill or injure bald and golden eagles for up to 30 years without penalty.

Conservation groups decried the Obama administration's new regulation as a "stunningly bad move" for wildlife, but wind industry officials said Friday that the rules from the Department of the Interior were far from a "free ride."

"Instead of balancing the need for conservation and renewable energy, Interior wrote the wind industry a blank check," National Audubon Society President David Yarnold said in a statement. "It's outrageous that the government is sanctioning the killing of America's symbol, the bald eagle."

Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com
Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com

Seems like the Court is more interested in giving free passes to an industry than in the technical advancement of safe guards to protect birds. Why is that? This does not need to be a Left/Right issue. Obviously there is a problem that needs to be solved. Diverting argument, blame, focus, does nothing to fix the problem.

The wind power industry companies are working with federal regulators, scientists and bird advocacy groups to "fix the problem". Did you somehow fail to read post #35 above? In any case, the bird deaths from wind turbines, including eagles, while deplorable and unfortunate and hopefully reducible through improved technology, pale to near insignificance compared to the number of birds kills due to all human activities and presence. They are pretty insignificant just compared to all of the activities and operations of the fossil fuel industry plus all of the oil spills (see post #33). Denigrating wind turbines for killing birds when they can replace or reduce the activities of the fossil fuel industry that are demonstrably killing far, far greater numbers of birds seems very retarded and certainly more motivated by a desire to protect the trillion dollar fossil fuel industry profit stream than by any actual concern for the birds.

You've shown zero caring for the National Bird of the United States of America. That is unimpressive to someone whose life is dedicated to the preservation of species through all their terrible times in the last 10 years--starvation in some areas, bird flu stemming from dirty bird care on the other side of the world and taken to Cuba, where migratory birds became infected and we thought we were going to lose a lot of species this past decade. You on the other hand have showed no caring except for political expediency of getting rid of birds who cause trouble to foolish, foolish failed projects without consulting a single qualified body of ornithologists whose input would have made them rethink screens to cover the monster blades.

We do it for our children's safety. We have a responsibility to other species on this planet not to decimate them for expedience's' sake.

There's a saying "When irresponsible leaders rule, the people mourn. When responsible leaders rule, the people are happy."

I've had a belly full of irresponsibility for the last 5 years from the pinnacle of power down to the people at social security who treat people like cattle because they can. And I'm not gonna take it any more.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Fossil fuels kill tens of millions of birds world wide ever year. Putting up buildings kill more birds.

 

[flacaltenn]

Goddamn, you're pointing fingers at wind and your oil KILLS 1.5 million birds/year???

Talk about balls.

I would have to disagree with you on that last point, Matt.

It's not "balls" here that we're seeing in fecalhead's clueless comments.

It's extreme retardation coupled with extreme ignorance overlaid with delusional insanity brought on by the massive amounts of brainwashing to which he's subjected himself.

Really not having an adult conversation here.. It takes no balls OR BRAINS EVIDENTLY to be an Eco-Fraud. Obviously you apologists for ALLOWING killing of the National Symbol and other raptors haven't a clue what this is really about..

AND --- you refuse to listen. Because you keep on posting the same bloody excuses for comparing bird carnage. This in an ecology sense is not about numbers.. We are not talking about ducks overnighting in an oil field cooling pond. Or Sparrows running into windows --- or turkeys and vultures getting hit by cars..

AGAIN --- we are talking about DENIAL OF HABITAT for FIXED Territorial species.

You act like spoil brats who want to ride their bikes thru the dining room.. You need to grow up and realize that you can't plop a deathly array of cuisinarts into the home of territorial birds and not reduce their range and habitat thru genocide.

Make a map of the national wind farms.. That is land that you've TAKEN OUT OF PLAY for eagles, raptors, owls, and bats..


And there is NO GOOD SOLUTION for fixing the problem once you ALLOW the location of a wind farm.. The time to CONSERVE is BEFORE these towers go in... Not once they are slicing and dicing..

You Eco-Frauds are making enemies faster than Barack Obama by habitually lying and misrepresenting the facts. That new documentary coming out on wind will show you how angry folks get when they've been purposely misled.

And BTW --- this has NOTHING to do with Matthew's "imagined" trade-off between oil and wind. OIL hardly plays a role at all in our electrical generation.. More wind DOES NOT MEAN --- less oil.. That's part of the reason there is no adult conversation taking place. And Wind is not an "alternative" to any baseline reliable source of electricity anyways..

 

[flacaltenn]

The fact that you do not understand the diff between GROSS numbers of bird deaths and denial of habitat is ample proof that you are not and never were environmentalists. The fact that YOU DONT CARE --- makes you Eco-Frauds..

 

[percysunshine]

Fossil fuels kill tens of millions of birds world wide ever year. Putting up buildings kill more birds.

Maybe, there is a corroborating source...maybe not. Maybe fossil fuels kill ten birds and buildings kill ten billion birds.

Who is to say?

 

[RollingThunder]

With no penalty....well some of them, no doubt friends of the Big O. 30 years should be enough to kill off most of them. Good job fake environmentalists... Assholes..

"SEATTLE — In a decision that highlights the clash between two cherished environmental goals — producing green energy and preserving protected wildlife — federal officials announced Friday that some wind power companies will be allowed to kill or injure bald and golden eagles for up to 30 years without penalty.

Conservation groups decried the Obama administration's new regulation as a "stunningly bad move" for wildlife, but wind industry officials said Friday that the rules from the Department of the Interior were far from a "free ride."

"Instead of balancing the need for conservation and renewable energy, Interior wrote the wind industry a blank check," National Audubon Society President David Yarnold said in a statement. "It's outrageous that the government is sanctioning the killing of America's symbol, the bald eagle."

Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths - latimes.com

Newspapers often try to balance the information in their articles by including different points of view on the topic being reported on. The walleyedretard chooses to only quote a few snippets that support his anti renewable energy and pro fossil fuel profits stance. Let's take a look at some of the other info in the article quoted in the OP that disagrees with walleyed's excerpts. I find it interesting that one of the leading causes of eagle deaths, which is lead poisoning from eating the remains of animals shot with lead bullets, is never mentioned in this article. Perhaps to avoid catching hell from the all powerful gun nut lobby. Also not mentioned is the number of eagle and other raptor deaths from eating the deliberately poisoned carcasses placed by ranchers seeking to poison coyotes and other predators.

Wind farms get extended leeway on eagle deaths
LA Times
Dec 6, 2013
(excerpts)
...Peter Kelley, vice president of public affairs for the American Wind Energy Assn., said that for a wind farm to be permitted under the new rules, "you have to document all of the different ways you'll preserve the eagles. You'll be checked on every five years. Even then, if more eagles are dying than you expected, you have to do more things or lose your permit." The new regulations would extend the permits to a maximum of 30 years and be issued only to "applicants who commit to adaptive management measures to ensure the preservation of eagles," the Interior Department said in announcing the rules. Kelley said the new regulations would "increase the protection of eagles and will help develop more wind farms, a leading solution to climate change, which is the No. 1 threat to all eagles and all wildlife." Kelley said that wind farms had had a negligible impact on bald eagles and that only 2% of the golden eagles killed by humans died because of wind farms. In addition, he said, the population of golden eagles in the West is stable or increasing slightly.

Interior Secretary Sally Jewell described the changes as beneficial to both wildlife and renewable energy efforts. "Renewable energy development is vitally important to our nation's future, but it has to be done the right way," she said in a statement. "The changes in this permitting program will help the renewable energy industry and others develop projects that can operate in the longer term, while ensuring bald and golden eagles continue to thrive for generations." Under the new regulations, permits will be reevaluated every five years. At each interval, eagle death rates will be reassessed, along with population levels of the birds and the effectiveness of measures used to reduce fatalities. Federal officials could require companies to implement new conservation measures and could suspend or revoke their permits. In the mid-20th century, the greatest threat to eagles was chemical in nature. Pesticides such as DDT softened their eggshells and the birds became endangered, Hutchins said. New threats include development around nesting areas and, now, wind power.

 

[flacaltenn]

Good move TinkerBelle.. Put that quote about 2% from windfarms in your favorite crayon..

I'll take a pass on that factoid unless you get it from someone who ISNT the "Vice President of Public Affairs" for the Big Wind Propaganda agency...

This mental midget has the gall to say that "Climate Change is the #1 threat to birdlife"... If you had a brain -- that should have tipped you off right there..

 

[RollingThunder]

Good move TinkerBelle.. Put that quote about 2% from windfarms in your favorite crayon..

I'll take a pass on that factoid unless you get it from someone who ISNT the "Vice President of Public Affairs" for the Big Wind Propaganda agency...

This mental midget has the gall to say that "Climate Change is the #1 threat to birdlife"... If you had a brain -- that should have tipped you off right there..

LOLOLOL....you're so funny, fecalhead.....and soooo brainwashed and delusional...

This thread has already seen solid evidence that fossil fuel industry activities kill millions of birds annually (although not all of these have been covered in detail yet, those activities would include oil refining operations, environmental devastation from mountaintop removal and strip mining for coal, and the damage created by fracking, plus the frequent oil spills). Other human activities, buildings, power lines, and domestic cats kill hundreds of millions per year. The number of eagle deaths attributable to wind turbines only number, at most, in the hundreds over the entire time that wind turbines have in operation in this country.

Climate change does indeed pose the #1 threat to birdlife in the years and decades to come but your denial of that reality is only to be expected given that you're in brainwashed retarded denial of the the basic scientifically established fact that the Earth is warming up beyond the bounds of natural variation and causing the long established climate patterns to change.

History of the Bald Eagle
Bald Eagle Info

Causes of death to the bald eagle are:

*The majority of recreational hunters are law abiding and safety conscious. Unfortunately, eagles are occasionally killed by fatal gunshot wounds inflicted by careless and ignorant hunters, malevolent people, and poachers who want to sell their feathers and talons on the black market.

*Electrocution from taking off and landing on power poles when their large wings bridge two wires, resulting in fatal burns or heart failure.

*Lead poisoning from eating wounded deer, ducks, and other game which eluded the hunter and later died. Three pellets can kill an eagle.

*Less adept at hunting, young eagles are more likely to eat carrion, and possibly ingest poisoned meat used to bait wolves and coyotes.

*Collisions with vehicles.

*Starvation where the food is scarce. Up to half of them starve to death their first winter, due to lack of hunting skills.

*If an eagle ends up in the water due to misjudgment of altitude or snagging a large fish, there's a danger they may die of exposure.

 

[flacaltenn]

You honestly make me ill Princess...

 

[RollingThunder]

You honestly make me ill Princess...

Well, that's cool. You and your deranged posts honestly make laugh my ass off most of the time.

 

[Abraham3]

This mental midget has the gall to say that "Climate Change is the #1 threat to birdlife"... If you had a brain -- that should have tipped you off right there..

It tipped me off that you put politics ahead of knowledge, evidence and reason.

 

[flacaltenn]

Definately NOT politics.. My values and judgements on enviro issues dont waiver or change depending on poltical support or sponsorship.. YOU ON THE OTHER HAND , and your juvenile thankers, have no consistent values or convictions until your political caucus gives them to you. You are exposing your roles as hypocritical EcoFrauds and projecting your guilt on your enemies..

 

[ScienceRocks]

Yeah let's bitch about 2% and ignore the other 98%, You extremist piss me off.

Coal, oil and other pollution causing fossil fuels also kill and cause illness in millions of humans. As a former right winger I care more about humans and value them. Wind, solar, hydro and nuclear are the future if we wish to limit this.

Whine about a few dead birds as our cities kill nearly a billion a year. Senseless. The price of civilization comes with billions of dead animals. Our job is to limit that and wind, solar, hydro and nuclear are the key of doing just that.

 

[RollingThunder]

Definately NOT politics.. My values and judgements on enviro issues dont waiver or change depending on poltical support or sponsorship..

Your insane pretensions are hilarious to anyone who is familiar with your posts.

Your "values and judgements on enviro issues" are very obviously spooned into your tiny brain by the political/economic interests with a vested interest in the continued profits of the fossil fuel industry and other polluters.

 

[Mr. H.]

Yeah let's bitch about 2% and ignore the other 98%, You extremist piss me off.

Coal, oil and other pollution causing fossil fuels also kill and cause illness in millions of humans. As a former right winger I care more about humans and value them. Wind, solar, hydro and nuclear are the future if we wish to limit this.

Whine about a few dead birds as our cities kill nearly a billion a year. Senseless. The price of civilization comes with billions of dead animals. Our job is to limit that and wind, solar, hydro and nuclear are the key of doing just that.

Rectify and justify, you "former right winger". You're a fucking joke, you choke.

Modern day humanity would not exist without hydrocarbons.

Take a fucking hike, you poser.

 

[Mr. H.]

Matthew the choke. Lady bitch be gone!