Wind Farm Seeks Permit to KILL GOLDEN EAGLES

[PMZ]

What progress? Is solar power economically viable anywhere without government subsidies? Until it is, solar power is not progress. It's a burden on your fellow man, especially the poor.

What alternative do you offer?

A hydrogen infrastructure for transportation powered by OFF GRID renewables.

And a Nuclear infrastructure for electrical generation using all the newest available technology that we've ignored out of ignorance..

What you got troll???

Remember the Hindenburg. Where are we going to put the nuclear waste?

Your house?

 

[flacaltenn]

What alternative do you offer?

A hydrogen infrastructure for transportation powered by OFF GRID renewables.

And a Nuclear infrastructure for electrical generation using all the newest available technology that we've ignored out of ignorance..

What you got troll???

Remember the Hindenburg. Where are we going to put the nuclear waste?

Your house?

0.7 of an ounce of nuclear waste per home per year.. That's about the size of a AAA battery. No other RELIABLE power source has such a minute waste stream. You can store it all in a area the size of College basketball gym.. OR recycle it.

The Hindenburg? Did you see the fire from ONE Tesla S when the batteries burst this week?
It's called engineering.. That's why NASCAR can crash a driver at 200 mph and have him on TV describing the crash 10 minutes later..

You can vent the hydrogen quicker than an airbag deploys.. Couldn't really do that on the Hindenburg now could you?

You luddites don't have much engineering chops do ya?

 

[bripat9643]

No fuel, no waste,

Energy that costs multiple times what energy from a coal fired power plants cost, and it's not dependable. What are you going to do if the doctors are performing an operation on your heart and the wind stops blowing? How you going to keep your children from freezing to death if there's no wind for a week during a cold spell in the middle of winter?

energy only benefits those who use energy.

You mean like everyone, right?

You're kidding, right?

We have a grid. Nobody ever knows where any energy comes from.

They will know if their father died on the operating table because the wind stopped blowing, you feral baboon. They will also know if their electric bill quadruples.

 

[bripat9643]

What alternative do you offer?

A hydrogen infrastructure for transportation powered by OFF GRID renewables.

And a Nuclear infrastructure for electrical generation using all the newest available technology that we've ignored out of ignorance..

What you got troll???

Remember the Hindenburg. Where are we going to put the nuclear waste?

Your house?

Are you really this stupid?

 

[orogenicman]

No one here has ever said that wind farms don't kill birds. Perhaps you should review the thread.

Apparently conservatives value raptors over people.

Where's the evidence that windmills benefit people?

You're lights are on, aren't they?

 

[orogenicman]

Where's the evidence that windmills benefit people?

No fuel, no waste,

Energy that costs multiple times what energy from a coal fired power plants cost, and it's not dependable. What are you going to do if the doctors are performing an operation on your heart and the wind stops blowing? How you going to keep your children from freezing to death if there's no wind for a week during a cold spell in the middle of winter?

energy only benefits those who use energy.

You mean like everyone, right?

Cost of electricity by source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Conventional coal costs $100/MWh. Wind costs $86.6/MWh. These costs do not include environmental risk factors or waste disposal. When you factor those in, it is clear that coal costs significantly more compared to wind.

 

[orogenicman]

A hydrogen infrastructure for transportation powered by OFF GRID renewables.

And a Nuclear infrastructure for electrical generation using all the newest available technology that we've ignored out of ignorance..

What you got troll???

Remember the Hindenburg. Where are we going to put the nuclear waste?

Your house?

0.7 of an ounce of nuclear waste per home per year.. That's about the size of a AAA battery. No other RELIABLE power source has such a minute waste stream. You can store it all in a area the size of College basketball gym.. OR recycle it.

The Hindenburg? Did you see the fire from ONE Tesla S when the batteries burst this week?
It's called engineering.. That's why NASCAR can crash a driver at 200 mph and have him on TV describing the crash 10 minutes later..

You can vent the hydrogen quicker than an airbag deploys.. Couldn't really do that on the Hindenburg now could you?

You luddites don't have much engineering chops do ya?

There is NO amount of plutonium (a by-product of nuclear fission) that is safe. One AAA battery's worth of highly radioactive nuclear waste is enough to kill hundreds from direct exposure. Per ounce, no other energy source is so potentially deadly. If we could recycle all of our nuclear waste, we'd already be doing it. God you are dumb.

 

[bripat9643]

Apparently conservatives value raptors over people.

Where's the evidence that windmills benefit people?

You're lights are on, aren't they?

There's a huge coal fired power plant less than 10 miles from my house. No windmills withing 100 miles. So no, windmills are not supplying my house with electricity.

Next stupid example.

 

[bripat9643]

Remember the Hindenburg. Where are we going to put the nuclear waste?

Your house?

0.7 of an ounce of nuclear waste per home per year.. That's about the size of a AAA battery. No other RELIABLE power source has such a minute waste stream. You can store it all in a area the size of College basketball gym.. OR recycle it.

The Hindenburg? Did you see the fire from ONE Tesla S when the batteries burst this week?
It's called engineering.. That's why NASCAR can crash a driver at 200 mph and have him on TV describing the crash 10 minutes later..

You can vent the hydrogen quicker than an airbag deploys.. Couldn't really do that on the Hindenburg now could you?

You luddites don't have much engineering chops do ya?

There is NO amount of plutonium (a by-product of nuclear fission) that is safe. One AAA battery's worth of highly radioactive nuclear waste is enough to kill hundreds from direct exposure. Per ounce, no other energy source is so potentially deadly. If we could recycle all of our nuclear waste, we'd already be doing it. God you are dumb.

Bogus conclusion. You forget the power of environmental nutburgers like yourself to obstruct any rational solution to a problem.

 

[bripat9643]

No fuel, no waste,

Energy that costs multiple times what energy from a coal fired power plants cost, and it's not dependable. What are you going to do if the doctors are performing an operation on your heart and the wind stops blowing? How you going to keep your children from freezing to death if there's no wind for a week during a cold spell in the middle of winter?

energy only benefits those who use energy.

You mean like everyone, right?

Cost of electricity by source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Conventional coal costs $100/MWh. Wind costs $86.6/MWh. These costs do not include environmental risk factors or waste disposal. When you factor those in, it is clear that coal costs significantly more compared to wind.

That ignores that fact that the effective capacity of wind power is about 6% of the rated power, so you would have to build 15 times as much. You also have to provide 100% backup from a coal fired power plant for every watt of wind generated power, so your cost numbers are pure fantasy.

 

[orogenicman]

Energy that costs multiple times what energy from a coal fired power plants cost, and it's not dependable. What are you going to do if the doctors are performing an operation on your heart and the wind stops blowing? How you going to keep your children from freezing to death if there's no wind for a week during a cold spell in the middle of winter?



You mean like everyone, right?

Cost of electricity by source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Conventional coal costs $100/MWh. Wind costs $86.6/MWh. These costs do not include environmental risk factors or waste disposal. When you factor those in, it is clear that coal costs significantly more compared to wind.

That ignores that fact that the effective capacity of wind power is about 6% of the rated power, so you would have to build 15 times as much. You also have to provide 100% backup from a coal fired power plant for every watt of wind generated power, so your cost numbers are pure fantasy.

The effective capacity depends on location. Some locations have a higher effective capacity than others. For instance, the effective capacity for Long Island is 40%, while the State of New York as a whole is only 10%. The back up comes from coal, solar, hydroelectric, natural gas, nukes, AND wind from other locations. It's called the grid. Everything goes on the grid, Look it up. And those costs? Come from the Department of Energy.

 

[bripat9643]

Cost of electricity by source - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Conventional coal costs $100/MWh. Wind costs $86.6/MWh. These costs do not include environmental risk factors or waste disposal. When you factor those in, it is clear that coal costs significantly more compared to wind.

That ignores that fact that the effective capacity of wind power is about 6% of the rated power, so you would have to build 15 times as much. You also have to provide 100% backup from a coal fired power plant for every watt of wind generated power, so your cost numbers are pure fantasy.

The effective capacity depends on location. Some locations have a higher effective capacity than others.

The records show that for all the wind power in place in Germany there were times when the effective power was 6% of the rated power. That's for the entire country.

The back up comes from coal, solar, hydroelectric, natural gas, nukes, AND wind from other locations. It's called the grid. Everything goes on the grid, Look it up. And those costs? Come from the Department of Energy.

So you think the cost goes away if the government pays for it?

What a moron.

Also, wind and solar are not backups for wind power.

The bottom line is that the actual cost of wind power is far higher than the cost quoted in your Wiki entry. There's a reason consumers in Germany are paying double for electricity compared to what they paid in the year 2000.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Gasoline is a blend of compounds (such as benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene, and toluene - BTEX) that result from the refining process. It isn't simply a by product of distillation.

Gasoline /ˈɡæsəliːn/, or petrol /ˈpɛtrəl/, is a transparent, petroleum-derived oil that is used primarily as a fuel in internal combustion engines. It consists mostly of organic compounds obtained by the fractional distillation of petroleum

go try again

Obviously you don't know anything about organic chemistry, nor do you understand the definition. Fractional distillation separates the product (oil) into its many constituent compounds based on their specific gravity, some of which are then BLENDED into gasoline. The gasoline itself is not the result of the distillation. Its constituents are. The gasoline is a result of blending specific organic compounds (such as BTEX - benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene, and xylene) obtained from the fractional distillation process.

Gasoline was not invented, it is a natural by-product of the petroleum industry, kerosene being the principal product. Gasoline is produced by distillation, the separating of the volatile, more valuable fractions of crude petroleum. However, what was invented were the numerous processes and agents needed to improve the quality of gasoline making it a better commodity.

History of Gasoline

i dont know why folks bother with your dumb ass

 

[flacaltenn]

Remember the Hindenburg. Where are we going to put the nuclear waste?

Your house?

0.7 of an ounce of nuclear waste per home per year.. That's about the size of a AAA battery. No other RELIABLE power source has such a minute waste stream. You can store it all in a area the size of College basketball gym.. OR recycle it.

The Hindenburg? Did you see the fire from ONE Tesla S when the batteries burst this week?
It's called engineering.. That's why NASCAR can crash a driver at 200 mph and have him on TV describing the crash 10 minutes later..

You can vent the hydrogen quicker than an airbag deploys.. Couldn't really do that on the Hindenburg now could you?

You luddites don't have much engineering chops do ya?

There is NO amount of plutonium (a by-product of nuclear fission) that is safe. One AAA battery's worth of highly radioactive nuclear waste is enough to kill hundreds from direct exposure. Per ounce, no other energy source is so potentially deadly. If we could recycle all of our nuclear waste, we'd already be doing it. God you are dumb.

so what is a safe amount of exposure to mercury or arsenic or lead? According to ecowhacks its zero as evidenced by I creasing regs. What is the halflife of those elements when improoperly disposed of? Its forever aint it? But yet yove managed to coerce and connive toUSE those materials in light bulbs and solar panels. Hypocritis eternus.

we dont reprocess fuel for pure political fears. Others do and have for decades.
A buried small scale reactor is completely recyclable.

 

[Abraham3]

0.7 of an ounce of nuclear waste per home per year.. That's about the size of a AAA battery. No other RELIABLE power source has such a minute waste stream. You can store it all in a area the size of College basketball gym.. OR recycle it.

The Hindenburg? Did you see the fire from ONE Tesla S when the batteries burst this week?
It's called engineering.. That's why NASCAR can crash a driver at 200 mph and have him on TV describing the crash 10 minutes later..

You can vent the hydrogen quicker than an airbag deploys.. Couldn't really do that on the Hindenburg now could you?

You luddites don't have much engineering chops do ya?

There is NO amount of plutonium (a by-product of nuclear fission) that is safe. One AAA battery's worth of highly radioactive nuclear waste is enough to kill hundreds from direct exposure. Per ounce, no other energy source is so potentially deadly. If we could recycle all of our nuclear waste, we'd already be doing it. God you are dumb.

so what is a safe amount of exposure to mercury or arsenic or lead? According to ecowhacks its zero as evidenced by I creasing regs. What is the halflife of those elements when improoperly disposed of? Its forever aint it? But yet yove managed to coerce and connive toUSE those materials in light bulbs and solar panels. Hypocritis eternus.

we dont reprocess fuel for pure political fears. Others do and have for decades.
A buried small scale reactor is completely recyclable.

You're being disingenuous. You KNOW (as do we) that plutonium is far, far more dangerous than arsenic, mercury or lead.

Be that as it may, I support the use of nuclear power. The lack of carbon emission makes the cost and risk of dealing with the fuel worthwhile.

 

[flacaltenn]

There is NO amount of plutonium (a by-product of nuclear fission) that is safe. One AAA battery's worth of highly radioactive nuclear waste is enough to kill hundreds from direct exposure. Per ounce, no other energy source is so potentially deadly. If we could recycle all of our nuclear waste, we'd already be doing it. God you are dumb.

so what is a safe amount of exposure to mercury or arsenic or lead? According to ecowhacks its zero as evidenced by I creasing regs. What is the halflife of those elements when improoperly disposed of? Its forever aint it? But yet yove managed to coerce and connive toUSE those materials in light bulbs and solar panels. Hypocritis eternus.

we dont reprocess fuel for pure political fears. Others do and have for decades.
A buried small scale reactor is completely recyclable.

You're being disingenuous. You KNOW (as do we) that plutonium is far, far more dangerous than arsenic, mercury or lead.

Be that as it may, I support the use of nuclear power. The lack of carbon emission makes the cost and risk of dealing with the fuel worthwhile.

Plutonium doesn't get sold at Costco and the supermarket and end up in unintended waste streams... The RELATIVE danger is largely in your head..

 

[orogenicman]

so what is a safe amount of exposure to mercury or arsenic or lead? According to ecowhacks its zero as evidenced by I creasing regs. What is the halflife of those elements when improoperly disposed of? Its forever aint it? But yet yove managed to coerce and connive toUSE those materials in light bulbs and solar panels. Hypocritis eternus.

we dont reprocess fuel for pure political fears. Others do and have for decades.
A buried small scale reactor is completely recyclable.

You're being disingenuous. You KNOW (as do we) that plutonium is far, far more dangerous than arsenic, mercury or lead.

Be that as it may, I support the use of nuclear power. The lack of carbon emission makes the cost and risk of dealing with the fuel worthwhile.

Plutonium doesn't get sold at Costco and the supermarket and end up in unintended waste streams... The RELATIVE danger is largely in your head..

Tell that to the people working at the Fukushima power plant.

 

[flacaltenn]

Those folks are sainted heroes. THeir mgt --- maybe not...
When that level of devastation arrives -- then maybe NOTHING should be ever built there again anyway.

BTW:: Tell Abe that if I'm forced to -- I'm willing to subject plutonium buyers to a background check and 5 day waiting period.

 

[Abraham3]

BTW:: Tell Abe that if I'm forced to -- I'm willing to subject plutonium buyers to a background check and 5 day waiting period.

So you admit your disingenuousness. Good.

 

[bripat9643]

You're being disingenuous. You KNOW (as do we) that plutonium is far, far more dangerous than arsenic, mercury or lead.

Be that as it may, I support the use of nuclear power. The lack of carbon emission makes the cost and risk of dealing with the fuel worthwhile.

Plutonium doesn't get sold at Costco and the supermarket and end up in unintended waste streams... The RELATIVE danger is largely in your head..

Tell that to the people working at the Fukushima power plant.

That plant is Uranium powered, numskull.