Wind Farm Seeks Permit to KILL GOLDEN EAGLES

[westwall]

There's quite a gap between your imagination and what progress is capable of.

DailyTech - 80 Percent of U.S. Electricity Demand Could be Met With Renewable Energy in 2050

What progress? Is solar power economically viable anywhere without government subsidies? Until it is, solar power is not progress. It's a burden on your fellow man, especially the poor.

What alternative do you offer?

Continued use of cheap fossil fuels with continued support of legitimate alternative energy research programs that do not reward friends of whatever admin is currently in power.

 

[orogenicman]

What analytical results?

How soon they forget:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/7925465-post182.html

No, I didn't forget I just didn't read all of your drivel. The point of the photo was to show that solar was polluting as well. As far as your order for me to do work,fuck you. I'm not your lackey olfraud. You want work from me, you pay me, I'll even give you a break and take 100 an hour, paid to the charity of my choice.

Except there is no indication whatsoever that that photograph is showing us pollution resulting from the production of solar cells. As for ordering you to work, red herring. It's your claim, and so it is your responsibility to back it up. If you can't be bothered to do that, no one is obligated to believe you have any credibility. That's on you, dude, and no one else.

 

[orogenicman]

Yep, that's the sort of thing I've been cleaning up for decades. The iron precipitates look bad but in the long run aren't truly dangerous. They do indicate other elements that ARE dangerous however. But, on an eyesore level this is far less than mile after mile of wind farm.

Tell that to the people who have to drink from the wells that get contaminated from that seepage. Tell that to the plant and animal life that gets impacted from the mine run off. Clue - if you have been cleaning that sort of thing for decades, you aren't doing a very good job of it. That is understandable since you don't see it as a problem.

 

[westwall]

Yep, that's the sort of thing I've been cleaning up for decades. The iron precipitates look bad but in the long run aren't truly dangerous. They do indicate other elements that ARE dangerous however. But, on an eyesore level this is far less than mile after mile of wind farm.

Tell that to the people who have to drink from the wells that get contaminated from that seepage. Tell that to the plant and animal life that gets impacted from the mine run off. Clue - if you have been cleaning that sort of thing for decades, you aren't doing a very good job of it. That is understandable since you don't see it as a problem.

Here's a hint dipshit, READ what I said!

 

[orogenicman]

Yep, that's the sort of thing I've been cleaning up for decades. The iron precipitates look bad but in the long run aren't truly dangerous. They do indicate other elements that ARE dangerous however. But, on an eyesore level this is far less than mile after mile of wind farm.

Tell that to the people who have to drink from the wells that get contaminated from that seepage. Tell that to the plant and animal life that gets impacted from the mine run off. Clue - if you have been cleaning that sort of thing for decades, you aren't doing a very good job of it. That is understandable since you don't see it as a problem.

Here's a hint dipshit, READ what I said!

I did, dipshit. The issue of eyesores is cosmetic, only. The real issue is the environmental impact, and there is no question that coal and other carbon energy sources are orders of magnitude more detrimental to the environment than wind farms will ever be.

 

[jon_berzerk]

There are other, much more important uses for oil than burning it. But you knew that. By the way,

Big Oil Says Solar Power Will Win Out

Big Oil Says Solar Power Will Win Out | Motherboard

Oil companies have been one of the most powerful opponents of renewable energy—but now, one of the biggest is predicting that it will dominate the world's power supply in a matter of decades.

Like the tobacco companies of yesteryear, oil companies have spent a veritable mountain of money fighting legislation that might promote alternative energy sources or threaten to make their product more expensive. They have done so both by funding psuedoscience that raises doubt climate change, and by lobbying the government directly to weaken or abandon laws that would penalize companies for polluting—which is necessary to make clean energy truly competitive.

For a point of reference, Exxon alone spent more money lobbying against the clean energy and climate change bill of 2009 than the entire clean energy industry combined. But apparently Big Oil has had a change of heart—or has made a slyly manipulative move. Either way, Shell's latest "New Lens" report about the future of energy comes with a somewhat surprising conclusion: Solar energy will provide the lion's share of the world's power by 2100.

Sun power will meet 37.7% of the world's demand, according to Shell's analysis.

Oil (10%) and biofuels (9.5%) are next up, followed by wind power (8.4%), natural gas (7.5%), and nuclear (6.3%). Coal is down to a piddling 4%, on the brink of extinction. Geothermal will produce a surprising, 4.4%, according to Shell.

The report predicts that oil prices will continue to rise, and will come to be considered as too volatile for investors and corporations. The fracking boom will peter out yielding less gas than expected, and governments will get their asses in gear and promote clean energy-friendly policies.

Specifically, "distributed" solar like rooftop or community arrays, will see a boom.

"These conditions favour distributed solar pv becoming a leading source of primary energy in the global economy," the report claims. "From its position today as the 13th largest energy source worldwide, it grows rapidly, reaching fourth place behind oil, gas, and coal by 2040, and continuing to the number one position in 2100."

The report however, stops short of giving renewable energy its full due—it claims at highest, clean energy can create just 60-70% of the world's energy. We'll still need oil, see, says the oil company. There are, of course, plenty of very smart scientists who would beg to differ. These Stanford researchers, after all, found that we could get pretty close to 100% renewables in just twenty years if we found the political will to do so. Other more cautious scientists have found that 95 percent clean energy by 2050 is entirely possible.

So Shell's projections are clearly pretty conservative, but seeing as how they're being made by an oil company factoring in its own interests highly in the mix, they're still worth noting. And the fact that the percentage of oil in the energy mix does shrink—in the US, right now, oil accounts for 34 percent of energy use. That number is a percent or two lower worldwide. That it dwindles relatively dramatically in this outlook—electric cars, perhaps—means Shell is at least semi-cognizant of peak oil.

2100 is a long ways off. It may well be that Shell is hailing the rise of solar from this grand distance in an effort to highlight its progressive bona fides while kicking the can as far down the road as could be credible.

Still, there's something encouraging about the fact that this report is essentially Big Oil admitting the future—hedging, sure, but admitting that its lifeblood is mired in the past. It's only a matter of time, Shell says: Solar power is going to win out.

There are other, much more important uses for oil than burning it. But you knew that. By the way,

certainly

but then what are you going to do with the 85 percent waste

namely the gas and diesel

How about different refinement techniques that eliminate making waste when there's no use for it anymore?

what

gasoline is a by product of distillation

 

[orogenicman]

There are other, much more important uses for oil than burning it. But you knew that. By the way,

certainly

but then what are you going to do with the 85 percent waste

namely the gas and diesel

How about different refinement techniques that eliminate making waste when there's no use for it anymore?

what

gasoline is a by product of distillation

Gasoline is a blend of compounds (such as benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene, and toluene - BTEX) that result from the refining process. It isn't simply a by product of distillation.

 

[jon_berzerk]

How about different refinement techniques that eliminate making waste when there's no use for it anymore?

what

gasoline is a by product of distillation

Gasoline is a blend of compounds (such as benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene, and toluene - BTEX) that result from the refining process. It isn't simply a by product of distillation.

Gasoline /ˈɡæsəliːn/, or petrol /ˈpɛtrəl/, is a transparent, petroleum-derived oil that is used primarily as a fuel in internal combustion engines. It consists mostly of organic compounds obtained by the fractional distillation of petroleum

go try again

 

[gallantwarrior]

Yep, that's the sort of thing I've been cleaning up for decades. The iron precipitates look bad but in the long run aren't truly dangerous. They do indicate other elements that ARE dangerous however. But, on an eyesore level this is far less than mile after mile of wind farm.

Tell that to the people who have to drink from the wells that get contaminated from that seepage. Tell that to the plant and animal life that gets impacted from the mine run off. Clue - if you have been cleaning that sort of thing for decades, you aren't doing a very good job of it. That is understandable since you don't see it as a problem.

Wow! Let's tell that to the birds that get whacked by your windmills. No, no "impact" there, right?

 

[PMZ]

Yep, that's the sort of thing I've been cleaning up for decades. The iron precipitates look bad but in the long run aren't truly dangerous. They do indicate other elements that ARE dangerous however. But, on an eyesore level this is far less than mile after mile of wind farm.

Tell that to the people who have to drink from the wells that get contaminated from that seepage. Tell that to the plant and animal life that gets impacted from the mine run off. Clue - if you have been cleaning that sort of thing for decades, you aren't doing a very good job of it. That is understandable since you don't see it as a problem.

Wow! Let's tell that to the birds that get whacked by your windmills. No, no "impact" there, right?

I think the sudden concern by conservatives for birds is hilarious.

The thing most notable is that one minute they all have no concern at all for any wildlife, the next minute they're all concerned.

Who pulled what string to make that sudden switch?

 

[orogenicman]

what

gasoline is a by product of distillation

Gasoline is a blend of compounds (such as benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene, and toluene - BTEX) that result from the refining process. It isn't simply a by product of distillation.

Gasoline /ˈɡæsəliːn/, or petrol /ˈpɛtrəl/, is a transparent, petroleum-derived oil that is used primarily as a fuel in internal combustion engines. It consists mostly of organic compounds obtained by the fractional distillation of petroleum

go try again

Obviously you don't know anything about organic chemistry, nor do you understand the definition. Fractional distillation separates the product (oil) into its many constituent compounds based on their specific gravity, some of which are then BLENDED into gasoline. The gasoline itself is not the result of the distillation. Its constituents are. The gasoline is a result of blending specific organic compounds (such as BTEX - benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene, and xylene) obtained from the fractional distillation process.

 

[orogenicman]

Yep, that's the sort of thing I've been cleaning up for decades. The iron precipitates look bad but in the long run aren't truly dangerous. They do indicate other elements that ARE dangerous however. But, on an eyesore level this is far less than mile after mile of wind farm.

Tell that to the people who have to drink from the wells that get contaminated from that seepage. Tell that to the plant and animal life that gets impacted from the mine run off. Clue - if you have been cleaning that sort of thing for decades, you aren't doing a very good job of it. That is understandable since you don't see it as a problem.

Wow! Let's tell that to the birds that get whacked by your windmills. No, no "impact" there, right?

No one here has ever said that wind farms don't kill birds. Perhaps you should review the thread.

 

[PMZ]

Tell that to the people who have to drink from the wells that get contaminated from that seepage. Tell that to the plant and animal life that gets impacted from the mine run off. Clue - if you have been cleaning that sort of thing for decades, you aren't doing a very good job of it. That is understandable since you don't see it as a problem.

Wow! Let's tell that to the birds that get whacked by your windmills. No, no "impact" there, right?

No one here has ever said that wind farms don't kill birds. Perhaps you should review the thread.

Apparently conservatives value raptors over people.

 

[PMZ]

Gasoline is a blend of compounds (such as benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene, and toluene - BTEX) that result from the refining process. It isn't simply a by product of distillation.

Gasoline /ˈɡæsəliːn/, or petrol /ˈpɛtrəl/, is a transparent, petroleum-derived oil that is used primarily as a fuel in internal combustion engines. It consists mostly of organic compounds obtained by the fractional distillation of petroleum

go try again

Obviously you don't know anything about organic chemistry, nor do you understand the definition. Fractional distillation separates the product (oil) into its many constituent compounds based on their specific gravity, some of which are then BLENDED into gasoline. The gasoline itself is not the result of the distillation. Its constituents are. The gasoline is a result of blending specific organic compounds (such as BTEX - benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene, and xylene) obtained from the fractional distillation process.

Learning opportunity.

http://www.docbrown.info/page04/OilProducts02.htm

 

[bripat9643]

Wow! Let's tell that to the birds that get whacked by your windmills. No, no "impact" there, right?

No one here has ever said that wind farms don't kill birds. Perhaps you should review the thread.

Apparently conservatives value raptors over people.

Where's the evidence that windmills benefit people?

 

[PMZ]

No one here has ever said that wind farms don't kill birds. Perhaps you should review the thread.

Apparently conservatives value raptors over people.

Where's the evidence that windmills benefit people?

No fuel, no waste, energy only benefits those who use energy.

 

[bripat9643]

Apparently conservatives value raptors over people.

Where's the evidence that windmills benefit people?

No fuel, no waste,

Energy that costs multiple times what energy from a coal fired power plants cost, and it's not dependable. What are you going to do if the doctors are performing an operation on your heart and the wind stops blowing? How you going to keep your children from freezing to death if there's no wind for a week during a cold spell in the middle of winter?

energy only benefits those who use energy.

You mean like everyone, right?

 

[PMZ]

Where's the evidence that windmills benefit people?

No fuel, no waste,

Energy that costs multiple times what energy from a coal fired power plants cost, and it's not dependable. What are you going to do if the doctors are performing an operation on your heart and the wind stops blowing? How you going to keep your children from freezing to death if there's no wind for a week during a cold spell in the middle of winter?

energy only benefits those who use energy.

You mean like everyone, right?

You're kidding, right?

We have a grid. Nobody ever knows where any energy comes from.

 

[flacaltenn]

There's quite a gap between your imagination and what progress is capable of.

DailyTech - 80 Percent of U.S. Electricity Demand Could be Met With Renewable Energy in 2050

What progress? Is solar power economically viable anywhere without government subsidies? Until it is, solar power is not progress. It's a burden on your fellow man, especially the poor.

What alternative do you offer?

A hydrogen infrastructure for transportation powered by OFF GRID renewables.

And a Nuclear infrastructure for electrical generation using all the newest available technology that we've ignored out of ignorance..

What you got troll???

 

[flacaltenn]

No one here has ever said that wind farms don't kill birds. Perhaps you should review the thread.

Apparently conservatives value raptors over people.

Where's the evidence that windmills benefit people?

Shhhhhusss. You'll ruin the ramblings with your pesky question...