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AJWPS,
Can you post a link to this version of the Koran?
Wade.
Can you post a link to this version of the Koran?
Wade.
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Arabian said:Right die for Allah sake
If you raised up Allah words
But Allah words forbid killing children and women and ordinary civilian even in the war case
Wade said:Can you post a link to this version of the Koran?
ajwps said:You have to put Muslims into the context that Islam orders them to do for the promise of paradise with Allah.
Sura 9:5
Refers to all unbelievers of Muhammad being the enemy and that mankind must convert to this peaceful religion or be slain from ambush in a terrorist war.
The Qur'an (not a bible according to Arabian) is not ambiguous but is clear as a bell about this edict from the prophet Muhammad to the religion of Islam.
Surah 9:5 - But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the (all non-Islam mankind) Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in ambush (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Surah - 9:6 If one amongst the (all non-Islam mankind) Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.
Women are chattel of men and can be murdered for the slightest infraction of showing skin on their wrist or for going outside without a male family member walking ahead of them.
The children in that Russian school were examples of the Pagan enemies of Allah. Take a look at your Qur'an links to see the Russian children's perspective to live without becoming Muslims.
Here is one of Qur'an's rewards for those who commit suicide killing innocent children. See if you think that beside the dark-eyed virgins, the following is something to die for Allah.
Qur'an - The Mount
52:23 They shall there exchange, one with another, a (loving) cup free of frivolity, free of all taint of SIN.
The Mount
52:24 Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them. Boys (handsome) as Pearls well-guarded.
The Mount
52:25 They will advance to each other, engaging in mutual enquiry.
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Time, Man, (every) Man, This (day-and-)age
76:19 And round about them will (serve) BOYS of perpetual (freshness): If thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered Pearls.
Time, Man, (every) Man, This (day-and-)age
76:20 And when thou lookest, it is there thou wilt see a Bliss and a Realm Magnificent.
Pale Rider said:... and then on Tuesday I packed a lunch because it was overcast. Yeah, and I only shit at home, never when I'm out.
The price of gas is going up again. I just put a new hitch on my truck. I haven't worked in over two years. Oh, and did I mention I hate fags?
Fuck the topic in this thread. I'm too stupid to start to start a new one on something else... just like the other morons here talking about the fucking kuran.
wade said:No, I mean where did you get the quotes listed above? I want to check them and see if they are legitimate translations or not.
Wade.
Arabian said:dear wade
you could get the translation from
www.fares.net
in this site you will see the qur'an in arabic and english
you will see that we have only one ver of qur'an not as ajwps says
but the translators translate it according to their studies and their knowledge about this language
but they all have the same meaning
Arabian said:dear wade
you could get the translation from
www.fares.net
in this site you will see the qur'an in arabic and english
you will see that we have only one ver of qur'an not as ajwps says
but the translators translate it according to their studies and their knowledge about this language
but they all have the same meaning
Sura - 52:23-25
23. There they shall pass from hand to hand a (wine) cup, free from any Laghw (dirty, false, evil vague talk between them), and free from sin[] (because it will be legal for them to drink).
24. And there will go round boy-servants of theirs, to serve them as if they were preserved pearls.
25. And some of them draw near to others, questioning.
dear wadewade said:When I was in college I had an Iranian professor who showed that there were some very different translations of the koran (or Qur'an - it's a translated word so I'm not sure there is any "correct" spelling). Some made the religion seem outright pacifistic, others much more agressive.
Thanks for the link,
Wade.
ajwps said:Dear Arabian,
It appears that your Islamic site retranslate the words into something entirely different than the words in Qur'an. It retranslates the Qur'an with words not in the Arabic language. The English spelling in your site is often incorrect, there is no reference as to who exactly translated the Arabic Qur'an to English and there are parenthesis that places false definitions into the text verses. For example:
Note the last word in 23:25 "questioning" when the Arabic words are actually mutual inquiry. What exactly are the dead Muslim matrys doing by drawing near to each other boy without SIN and just what are they 'questioning each other about?' Are they asking about the time of the day or where are those dark-eyed virgins? What is your answer?
وَأَقْبَلَ بَعْضُهُمْ
Below is an Islamic Site that gives a translation and Arabic text for any verse. Click below and when you get the Muslim site just click the drop down box (search scope) upper left and choose 'Quran Search'. Put the exact verse (Sura) in the box and it will give you the English and Arabic verse.
http://www.islamicity.com/
Arabian said:dear wade
what your professor said is right
and this problem cameout because different of languages
but some time you should think and search to know the right translation
and i could be your refrence if you want
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Arabian said:IF YOU complete you will see ajwp
26. Saying: "Aforetime, we were afraid with our families (from the punishment of Allâh).
27. "But Allâh has been gracious to us, and has saved us from the torment of the Fire.
that means that the life in paradise more beautiful and great from other any live and they ment by those boys that they look great and you would like to look at them (kids are the sign of innocence), so you will feel happy if thy serve you and as i said to wade this problem came out because the different in languages
a poem in 'Perfumed Garden' by Abu Nuwas:
O the joy of sodomy!
So now be sodomites, you Arabs.
Turn not away from it--
therein is wondrous pleasure.
Take some coy lad with kiss-curls
twisting on his temple
and ride as he stands like some gazelle
standing to her mate.
A lad whom all can see girt with sword
and belt not like your whore who has
to go veiled.
Make for smooth-faced boys and do your
very best to mount them, for women are
the mounts of the devils
Quote:
a poem in 'Perfumed Garden' by Abu Nuwas:
O the joy of sodomy!
So now be sodomites, you Arabs.
Turn not away from it--
therein is wondrous pleasure.
Take some coy lad with kiss-curls
twisting on his temple
and ride as he stands like some gazelle
standing to her mate.
A lad whom all can see girt with sword
and belt not like your whore who has
to go veiled.
Make for smooth-faced boys and do your
very best to mount them, for women are
the mounts of the devils
Said1 said:Where on earth did you find that translation. I want to print it and bring it to one of my profs to translate for me.
gop_jeff said:The Bible also tells slaves that, if they can get their freedom, they should, and instructs slaveowners not to treat their slaves inhumanely.
Pale Rider said:... and then on Tuesday I packed a lunch because it was overcast. Yeah, and I only shit at home, never when I'm out.
The price of gas is going up again. I just put a new hitch on my truck. I haven't worked in over two years. Oh, and did I mention I hate fags?
Fuck the topic in this thread. I'm too stupid to start to start a new one on something else... just like the other morons here talking about the fucking kuran.
ajwps said:Are servants in Muhammad's paradise not good to be full grown Jewish men and women infidels? Why must there be sinless mutual inquiry with little boys, innocent and pure as pearls? What kind of place is Pbuh Muhammad running in his paradise?
What does all this have to do with Muhammad's paradise where the martrys have 72 dark-eyed virgins and smooth skined BOYS who are also virgins for SINELSS sex for eternity?
وَأَقْبَلَ بَعْضُهُمْ
Need I say anything more after this colorful rendition by Abu Nuwas ?
Abu Nuwas
Born c760, in Al-Ahwaz; died 815.
Poet at the court of the Abbassid caliph of Baghdad, Harun al-Rashid (786-808).
His full name was Abu Nuwas al-Hasan ibn Hani al-Hakami.
Homosexuality in Islamic Paradise
Also remember that Islam does not forget the fact that hetrosexuality is not the complete source of carnal gratification because some people have different tastes. So, it adds a stunning dimension to the paradisiacal pleasures.
Pale Rider said:... and then on Tuesday I packed a lunch because it was overcast. Yeah, and I only shit at home, never when I'm out.
The price of gas is going up again. I just put a new hitch on my truck. I haven't worked in over two years. Oh, and did I mention I hate fags?
Fuck the topic in this thread. I'm too stupid to start to start a new one on something else... just like the other morons here talking about the fucking kuran.