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[wade]

AJWPS,

Can you post a link to this version of the Koran?

Wade.

 

[007]

... and then on Tuesday I packed a lunch because it was overcast. Yeah, and I only shit at home, never when I'm out.

The price of gas is going up again. I just put a new hitch on my truck. I haven't worked in over two years. Oh, and did I mention I hate fags?

Fuck the topic in this thread. I'm too stupid to start to start a new one on something else... just like the other morons here talking about the fucking kuran.

 

[Comrade]

Right die for Allah sake
If you raised up Allah words

But Allah words forbid killing children and women and ordinary civilian even in the war case

Can you post a link to this version of the Koran?

http://rbsche.people.wm.edu/koran.html

Surah 47

47: 1. In the name of ALLAH, the Gracious, the Merciful.

47: 2. Those who disbelieve and hinder men from the way of ALLAH - HE
renders their works vain.

47: 3. But as for those who believe and do righteous deeds and believe in
that which has been revealed to Muhammad - and it is the truth from their
Lord - HE removes from them their sins and sets right their affairs.

47: 4. That is because those who disbelieve follow falsehood while those who
believe follow the truth from their Lord. Thus does ALLAH set forth for men
their lessons by similitudes.

47: 5. And when you meet in regular battle those who disbelieve, smite their
necks; and, when you have overcome them, by causing great slaughter among
them, bind fast the fetters - then afterwards either release them as a
favour or by taking ransom - until the war lays down its burdens. That is
the ordinance. And if ALLAH had so pleased, HE could have punished them
Himself, but HE has willed that HE may try some of you by others. And those
who are killed in the way of ALLAH - HE will never render their works vain.

47: 6. HE will guide them to success and will improve their condition.

47: 7. And will admit them into the Garden which HE has made known to them.

47: 8. O ye who believe ! if you help the cause of ALLAH, HE will help you
and will make your steps firm.

47: 9. But those who disbelieve, perdition is their lot; and HE will make
their works vain.

 

[wade]

You have to put Muslims into the context that Islam orders them to do for the promise of paradise with Allah.

Sura 9:5

Refers to all unbelievers of Muhammad being the enemy and that mankind must convert to this peaceful religion or be slain from ambush in a terrorist war.

The Qur'an (not a bible according to Arabian) is not ambiguous but is clear as a bell about this edict from the prophet Muhammad to the religion of Islam.

Surah 9:5 - But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the (all non-Islam mankind) Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in ambush (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

Surah - 9:6 If one amongst the (all non-Islam mankind) Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.

Women are chattel of men and can be murdered for the slightest infraction of showing skin on their wrist or for going outside without a male family member walking ahead of them.

The children in that Russian school were examples of the Pagan enemies of Allah. Take a look at your Qur'an links to see the Russian children's perspective to live without becoming Muslims.

Here is one of Qur'an's rewards for those who commit suicide killing innocent children. See if you think that beside the dark-eyed virgins, the following is something to die for Allah.

Qur'an - The Mount
52:23 They shall there exchange, one with another, a (loving) cup free of frivolity, free of all taint of SIN.

The Mount
52:24 Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them. Boys (handsome) as Pearls well-guarded.

The Mount
52:25 They will advance to each other, engaging in mutual enquiry.

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Time, Man, (every) Man, This (day-and-)age
76:19 And round about them will (serve) BOYS of perpetual (freshness): If thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered Pearls.

Time, Man, (every) Man, This (day-and-)age
76:20 And when thou lookest, it is there thou wilt see a Bliss and a Realm Magnificent.

No, I mean where did you get the quotes listed above? I want to check them and see if they are legitimate translations or not.

Wade.

 

[007]

:arabia:

... and then on Tuesday I packed a lunch because it was overcast. Yeah, and I only shit at home, never when I'm out.

The price of gas is going up again. I just put a new hitch on my truck. I haven't worked in over two years. Oh, and did I mention I hate fags?

Fuck the topic in this thread. I'm too stupid to start to start a new one on something else... just like the other morons here talking about the fucking kuran.

 

[ajwps]

No, I mean where did you get the quotes listed above? I want to check them and see if they are legitimate translations or not.

Wade.

Wade if you want to check out any quote in the Qur'an verses (Sura) simply go the following site and type in the chapter and verses. (sample 52:23-25 or 76:19-20 or 9:5-6)

You will find multiple Islamic translators of the same chapter and verses.

http://quranbrowser.com/

 

[Arabian]

dear wade
you could get the translation from
www.fares.net

in this site you will see the qur'an in arabic and english

you will see that we have only one ver of qur'an not as ajwps says
but the translators translate it according to their studies and their knowledge about this language
but they all have the same meaning

 

[wade]

dear wade
you could get the translation from
www.fares.net

in this site you will see the qur'an in arabic and english

you will see that we have only one ver of qur'an not as ajwps says
but the translators translate it according to their studies and their knowledge about this language
but they all have the same meaning

When I was in college I had an Iranian professor who showed that there were some very different translations of the koran (or Qur'an - it's a translated word so I'm not sure there is any "correct" spelling). Some made the religion seem outright pacifistic, others much more agressive.

Thanks for the link,

Wade.

 

[ajwps]

dear wade
you could get the translation from
www.fares.net

in this site you will see the qur'an in arabic and english

you will see that we have only one ver of qur'an not as ajwps says
but the translators translate it according to their studies and their knowledge about this language
but they all have the same meaning

Dear Arabian,

It appears that your Islamic site retranslate the words into something entirely different than the words in Qur'an. It retranslates the Qur'an with words not in the Arabic language. The English spelling in your site is often incorrect, there is no reference as to who exactly translated the Arabic Qur'an to English and there are parenthesis that places false definitions into the text verses. For example:

Sura - 52:23-25

23. There they shall pass from hand to hand a (wine) cup, free from any Laghw (dirty, false, evil vague talk between them), and free from sin[] (because it will be legal for them to drink).

24. And there will go round boy-servants of theirs, to serve them as if they were preserved pearls.

25. And some of them draw near to others, questioning.

Note the last word in 23:25 "questioning" when the Arabic words are actually mutual inquiry. What exactly are the dead Muslim matrys doing by drawing near to each other boy without SIN and just what are they 'questioning each other about?' Are they asking about the time of the day or where are those dark-eyed virgins? What is your answer?

وَأَقْبَلَ بَعْضُهُمْ

Below is an Islamic Site that gives a translation and Arabic text for any verse. Click below and when you get the Muslim site just click the drop down box (search scope) upper left and choose 'Quran Search'. Put the exact verse (Sura) in the box and it will give you the English and Arabic verse.

http://www.islamicity.com/

 

[Arabian]

When I was in college I had an Iranian professor who showed that there were some very different translations of the koran (or Qur'an - it's a translated word so I'm not sure there is any "correct" spelling). Some made the religion seem outright pacifistic, others much more agressive.

Thanks for the link,

Wade.

dear wade
what your professor said is right
and this problem cameout because different of languages
but some time you should think and search to know the right translation
and i could be your refrence if you want
:$

 

[Arabian]

Dear Arabian,

It appears that your Islamic site retranslate the words into something entirely different than the words in Qur'an. It retranslates the Qur'an with words not in the Arabic language. The English spelling in your site is often incorrect, there is no reference as to who exactly translated the Arabic Qur'an to English and there are parenthesis that places false definitions into the text verses. For example:



Note the last word in 23:25 "questioning" when the Arabic words are actually mutual inquiry. What exactly are the dead Muslim matrys doing by drawing near to each other boy without SIN and just what are they 'questioning each other about?' Are they asking about the time of the day or where are those dark-eyed virgins? What is your answer?

وَأَقْبَلَ بَعْضُهُمْ

Below is an Islamic Site that gives a translation and Arabic text for any verse. Click below and when you get the Muslim site just click the drop down box (search scope) upper left and choose 'Quran Search'. Put the exact verse (Sura) in the box and it will give you the English and Arabic verse.

http://www.islamicity.com/

IF YOU complete you will see
ajwp

26. Saying: "Aforetime, we were afraid with our families (from the punishment of Allâh).

27. "But Allâh has been gracious to us, and has saved us from the torment of the Fire.

that means that the life in paradise more beautiful and great from other any live
and they ment by those boys that they look great and you would like to look at them (kids are the sign of innocence), so you will feel happy if thy serve you

and as i said to wade this problem came out because the different in languages

 

[wade]

dear wade
what your professor said is right
and this problem cameout because different of languages
but some time you should think and search to know the right translation
and i could be your refrence if you want
:$

Arabian - I already have several different translations in my collection, along with several texts which discuss the interpretation. What I'd really like to know is how do the Moslim's read the material? But I suspect this also varies from group to group and is highly situational - those that want it to read as a declaration of peace find a way to make it so, and those that want to read it as a call to violent action can also find a way interpret it as such.

I fear the truth is that like the Bible, it can all to easily be used to rationalize just about any act of evil one wishes to commit and justify it as "Gods will".

Wade.

 

[ajwps]

IF YOU complete you will see ajwp

26. Saying: "Aforetime, we were afraid with our families (from the punishment of Allâh).

27. "But Allâh has been gracious to us, and has saved us from the torment of the Fire.

that means that the life in paradise more beautiful and great from other any live and they ment by those boys that they look great and you would like to look at them (kids are the sign of innocence), so you will feel happy if thy serve you and as i said to wade this problem came out because the different in languages

Are servants in Muhammad's paradise not good to be full grown Jewish men and women infidels? Why must there be sinless mutual inquiry with little boys, innocent and pure as pearls? What kind of place is Pbuh Muhammad running in his paradise?

What does all this have to do with Muhammad's paradise where the martrys have 72 dark-eyed virgins and smooth skined BOYS who are also virgins for SINELSS sex for eternity?

a poem in 'Perfumed Garden' by Abu Nuwas:

O the joy of sodomy!
So now be sodomites, you Arabs.
Turn not away from it--
therein is wondrous pleasure.
Take some coy lad with kiss-curls
twisting on his temple
and ride as he stands like some gazelle
standing to her mate.
A lad whom all can see girt with sword
and belt not like your whore who has
to go veiled.
Make for smooth-faced boys and do your
very best to mount them, for women are
the mounts of the devils

وَأَقْبَلَ بَعْضُهُمْ

Need I say anything more after this colorful rendition by Abu Nuwas ?

Abu Nuwas
Born c760, in Al-Ahwaz; died 815.
Poet at the court of the Abbassid caliph of Baghdad, Harun al-Rashid (786-808).

His full name was Abu Nuwas al-Hasan ibn Hani al-Hakami.

Homosexuality in Islamic Paradise

Also remember that Islam does not forget the fact that hetrosexuality is not the complete source of carnal gratification because some people have different tastes. So, it adds a stunning dimension to the paradisiacal pleasures.

 

[Said1]

Quote:
a poem in 'Perfumed Garden' by Abu Nuwas:

O the joy of sodomy!
So now be sodomites, you Arabs.
Turn not away from it--
therein is wondrous pleasure.
Take some coy lad with kiss-curls
twisting on his temple
and ride as he stands like some gazelle
standing to her mate.
A lad whom all can see girt with sword
and belt not like your whore who has
to go veiled.
Make for smooth-faced boys and do your
very best to mount them, for women are
the mounts of the devils

Where on earth did you find that translation. I want to print it and bring it to one of my profs to translate for me.

 

[ajwps]

Where on earth did you find that translation. I want to print it and bring it to one of my profs to translate for me.

Said,

I did not find this poet's work in Arabic but in the English translation. Here is the site.

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00C2VZ

 

[nakedemperor]

The Bible also tells slaves that, if they can get their freedom, they should, and instructs slaveowners not to treat their slaves inhumanely.

Strip them of their inalienable rights but...don't treat them inhumanely? Aren't these contradictory statements? Isn't telling (forcing) someone to do something with no financial recompense inhumane?

I think that this "at the time it was wide-accepted" thing is a good jumping off point in realizing that some of what the bible says is dated, arcane, and shouldn't be taken literally (some, in fact very little...most of the bible is excellent!).

 

[Said1]

... and then on Tuesday I packed a lunch because it was overcast. Yeah, and I only shit at home, never when I'm out.

The price of gas is going up again. I just put a new hitch on my truck. I haven't worked in over two years. Oh, and did I mention I hate fags?

Fuck the topic in this thread. I'm too stupid to start to start a new one on something else... just like the other morons here talking about the fucking kuran.

Nakedemperor:

This is the post I was talking about - woohooo.

 

[Arabian]

Are servants in Muhammad's paradise not good to be full grown Jewish men and women infidels? Why must there be sinless mutual inquiry with little boys, innocent and pure as pearls? What kind of place is Pbuh Muhammad running in his paradise?

What does all this have to do with Muhammad's paradise where the martrys have 72 dark-eyed virgins and smooth skined BOYS who are also virgins for SINELSS sex for eternity?



وَأَقْبَلَ بَعْضُهُمْ

Need I say anything more after this colorful rendition by Abu Nuwas ?

Abu Nuwas
Born c760, in Al-Ahwaz; died 815.
Poet at the court of the Abbassid caliph of Baghdad, Harun al-Rashid (786-808).

His full name was Abu Nuwas al-Hasan ibn Hani al-Hakami.

Homosexuality in Islamic Paradise

Also remember that Islam does not forget the fact that hetrosexuality is not the complete source of carnal gratification because some people have different tastes. So, it adds a stunning dimension to the paradisiacal pleasures.

Actually I've never read something like this but to tell you something all you both say is untrue
Let me say 1st in the Qur'an Allah says

Sura 026. Ash-Shu'arâ'
222. They descend on every lying (one who tells lies), sinful person.
223. Who gives ear (to the devils and they pour what they may have heard of the unseen from the angels), and most of them are liars.
224. As for the poets, the erring follow them,
225. See you not that they speak about every subject (praising others right or wrong) in their poetry?
226. And that they say what they do not do.
227. Except those who believe (in the Oneness of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism), and do righteous deeds, and remember Allâh much, and reply back (in poetry) to the unjust poetry (which the pagan poets utter against the Muslims). And those who do wrong will come to know by what overturning they will be overturned.



So what abou nawas says we don’t admit it
"not all type of it" let me explain when you wrote a story of lie and hate and inappropriate things
its all come from your imagination so you could play with the feelings of the people who hear you so you could make them feel that you are an angel, where in the truth you are a devil , its some kind of lies you say to make people pay attention to you, and the story is from your imagination not all people imagination, so its from your view of point only

And blue Allah forbid sodomy
cuz we all know what Allah done with LOT peoples cuz they were practicing sodomy
When our prophet Lot peace on him had visitors (they were actually angles) and his wife new about those visitors and told the village to take them but Lot refused
And Allah said in his book al Qur'an

Sura al-araf
80. And (remember) Lout (Lot), when he said to his people: "Do you commit the worst sin such as none preceding you has committed in the 'Alamîn (mankind and jinns)?
81. "Verily, you practise your lusts on men instead of women. Nay, but you are a people transgressing beyond bounds (by committing great sins)."
82. And the answer of his people was only that they said: "Drive them out of your town, these are indeed men who want to be pure (from sins)!"
83. Then We saved him and his family, except his wife; she was of those who remained behind (in the torment).
84. And We rained down on them a rain (of stones). Then see what was the end of the Mujrimûn (criminals, polytheists, sinners, etc.).


sura 029. Al-'Ankabût
25. And [Ibrâhim (Abraham)] said: "You have taken (for worship) idols instead of Allâh, and the love between you is only in the life of this world, but on the Day of Resurrection, you shall disown each other, and curse each other, and your abode will be the Fire, and you shall have no helper."
26. So Lout (Lot) believed in him [Ibrâhim's (Abraham) Message of Islâmic Monotheism]. He [Ibrâhim (Abraham)] said: "I will emigrate for the sake of my Lord. Verily, He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise[]."
27. And We bestowed on him [Ibrâhim (Abraham)], Ishâque (Isaac) and Ya'qûb (Jacob), and ordained among his offspring Prophethood and the Book [i.e. the Taurât (Torah) (to Mûsa Moses), the Injeel (Gospel) (to 'Iesa Jesus), the Qur'ân (to Muhammad SAW), all from the offspring of Ibrâhim (Abraham)], and We granted him his reward in this world, and verily, in the Hereafter he is indeed among the righteous.
28. And (remember) Lout (Lot), when he said to his people: "You commit Al-Fâhishah (sodomy the worst sin) which none has preceded you in (committing) it in the 'Alamîn (mankind and jinns)."
29. "Verily, you do sodomy with men, and rob the wayfarer (travellers, etc.)! And practise Al-Munkar (disbelief and polytheism and every kind of evil wicked deed) in your meetings." But his people gave no answer except, that they said: "Bring Allâh's Torment upon us if you are one of the truthful."
30. He said: "My Lord! Give me victory over the people who are Mufsidûn (those who commit great crimes and sins, oppressors, tyrants, mischief-makers, corrupts).
31. And when Our Messengers came to Ibrâhim (Abraham) with the glad tidings they said: "Verily, we are going to destroy the people of this [Lout's (Lot's)] town (i.e. the town of Sodom in Palestine) truly, its people have been Zâlimûn [wrong-doers, polytheists and disobedient to Allâh, and have also belied their Messenger Lout (Lot)]."
32. Ibrâhim (Abraham) said: "But there is Lout (Lot) in it." They said:"We know better who is there, we will verily save him [Lout (Lot)] and his family, except his wife, she will be of those who remain behind (i.e. she will be destroyed along with those who will be destroyed from her folk)."
33. And when Our Messengers came to Lout (Lot), he was grieved because of them, and felt straitened on their account. They said: "Have no fear, and do not grieve! Truly, we shall save you and your family, except your wife, she will be of those who remain behind (i.e. she will be destroyed along with those who will be destroyed from her folk).
34. Verily, we are about to bring down on the people of this town a great torment from the sky, because they have been rebellious (against Allâh's Command)."
35. And indeed We have left thereof an evident Ayâh (a lesson and a warning and a sign the place where the Dead Sea is now in Palestine)[] for a folk who understand.

And by these too we can say that all prophets was preaching to the Islam and that there is no god but Allah and that the religion is a mercy for the world to regular the mankind doing and acts and every thing Allah forbid is only for the sake of the mankind cuz he create us and he know what is good and what is bad for us

 

[Bullypulpit]

... and then on Tuesday I packed a lunch because it was overcast. Yeah, and I only shit at home, never when I'm out.

The price of gas is going up again. I just put a new hitch on my truck. I haven't worked in over two years. Oh, and did I mention I hate fags?

Fuck the topic in this thread. I'm too stupid to start to start a new one on something else... just like the other morons here talking about the fucking kuran.

Hmmm...Somebody forgot to take his meds again. Pale, old son, you have to keep to a consistent schedule for your anti-psychotics to be effective. :teeth:

 

[Bullypulpit]

The only good news that Sweet William can have for us is that he's had himself sterilized and put his children, if he has any, up for adoption.