What is The Difference Between Religion and a Cult

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    Do These Definitions Sound Familiar

    What is the difference between a cult and a religion? Most people define the term cult so vaguely that anyone with strong opinions could be classified as a cult follower.

    The best working definition I have heard is this:

    A religion is a movement in which people find themselves; a cult is a movement in which people lose themselves.

    A cult hijacks your identity and makes you into someone you aren't. A true religion should enhance and deepen your identity, to make you a better you.

    People who find religion go through changes. They learn to explore parts to their personality that they never knew existed, and have to re-evaluate themselves and their lives. All growth is accompanied by some upheaval and instability, so they may go through a short period where they seem a bit weird to their friends and family. They may even missionise a bit, and try to "convert" everyone around them. They mean well; they just want to share their newfound inspiration with those they love. This is normal, and the family should try to be patient.

    However, if they start to turn into someone else altogether, if they seem unrecognisable, then there could be cause for concern. If they lose their personality, their sense of humour, their interest in others, or their ability to think, then they may have lost themselves. If these symptoms persist, seek a minister, rabbi or priest's advice. They may have fallen prey to a cult - or are using religion as a cult.

    Cults demand that you jump in unquestioningly. But when you make such sudden changes, you will have to leave your self behind. This is not the basic religion ways. Most honest religions encourages questioning, even honest skepticism. Spiritual development is done gradually and with thought. That way, the changes will be real, as they integrate and harmonise with your personality rather than overwhelm it.

    Give your friend some time. If he or she is indeed brainwashed, it probably won't last - they will jump out as quickly as they jumped in. Most mainstream religions can't be used as a cult for long. But more likely they will settle to a balanced medium, where their old self will come back again, but with a depth and direction that they never had before. Sometimes, you have to lose yourself to find yourself again.
     
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    SO does that mean the practitioners of Islam will evnetually hang up their turbans and come back to civilization?

    Oooooooooops, sounds like a death cult to me :rolleyes:
     
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    Unfortunately most of Islam has never been with civilization and ISLAM in general fits my definition of a real CULT.

    Does Islam encourage questioning or honest skepticism? Some Muslims have done so but they are either dead or have a fatwa death sentence placed on them.

    CULT!!!!
     
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    Hi every body
    I wonder y every body is attacking the Islam and say it doesn’t work with this time or why they always say that Muslims are ignorant and don’t have mind to think with

    1st some of u say that Islam is a cult and it doesn’t use brains
    u say that cult doesn’t courage questioning ,, on the contrary Islam courage questioning , but in reasonable question our prophets ordered us to ask for education and learning tell the end of the world.

    Does the appearance care or tell what in your heart, that mean that the not good looking guy should die coz no one will talk to him
    And am Muslim and I live in Egypt and I've never wear turbans " I think that there lots of thing u don’t know about Arabian now coz of this silly advertisement that come on T.V"
    And we don’t call practitioners of Islam we called them Muslim or if u mean "alsheikh" (rabbi and priest's have a special uniform is all of Jewish or Christian wear like him)

    Right we aren't now have lots of scientist as previous coz most of them travel abroad to get their chance to use the updated machine in their field or get some kind of partner ship, and some times if they refused to work in this country after finishing there partner ship they get killed like "Nabaweya Mousa" ,, I wont get through this
    But this is the life ups and downs
    Ones we had the greatest scientist like as I said befire "Ebn khaldon "in sociality", Abou bakr al razy, Ebn sinai " in medicine" , Ebn albaitar" in pharmacy", Alkhwarezmy " in math", Ebn al haitham" in physics and he the one who invented the science optical"' Ebn Alnaphis the one who discovered the miner blood circuital"
    Ebn batota "the greatest geography and the tradition of countries(traveling allover the world)" Ebn roshd , AlFaraby, Al Kondy, Al Khasaly'in philosophy" Gaber edn haian " in chemistry" , Muhammad ebn Senan Al Bantaly, Ebrahim al Zarqualy (Arzachel) "in astronomy " and finally Aledrisy " the 1st one who made a graph of the map of the whole world and the earth"
    And Arab was the 1st one who invented the "0"

    And the books of these scientist is translated to thousand language and its still teaching tell now,
    And we have now Ahmed Zowail and he is Muslim
    So when we hanged with our religion we made a great civilization but now unfortunate we aren’t hanged well with our religion as previous and we "Muslims" aren’t one country as previous
    This just a hint of what u assumed

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    I think this religion u talk about is al Islam
    Lets give an example
    Lets take Spain or Andalusia previous it was destructed and it was living in ignorant and poor
    What Muslims made from it , it become the light of science in the whole Europe all people all over Europe was visiting it to see how beautiful it was and to get the science from it they were teaching student and make them travel allover the world to spread the learn they get , they wanted to spread culture and education allover the world this what our religion asked us to do spread peace and education , and read the history book if u don’t believe me , and what the Europe done when they attack Andalusia they destroyed all this culture and transferred the greatest civilization to destructions and they didn’t do this only (as we know Andalusia all religion lived in it "democracy") the Europe took all Muslims (even Spanish Muslims)who lived in Andalusia" even unarmed (normal citizen)" and harmed them badly then they killed them (the one who had a qur'an on his house was get killed) even more when British soldier came to Spain and saw the tools that the Muslims were humiliated and harmed by the Europe's they didn’t believe that any one could bear such humiliated and harmed
    C what we done and what they done
     
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    Is it a religion when you can be a member only if your mother was a member? Is that religion or a race cult?
     
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    Correct. All anyone has to do is look at Muslims around the world. Except for the few with oil money, they live exactly like they did in the time of Pbuh Mohammad. Islam has always been more interested in destroying the unbelievers of the earth than living like human beings.

    You say it best: "on the contrary Islam courage questioning , but in reasonable question our prophets ordered us ...."

    In other words if you question the prophet Muhammad, you are not reasonable and therefore should have your head severed from your body. In other words, question nothing as Pbuh Muhammad has already given you the answers in Qur'an. What else is there to question?

    So yor live in Egypt Mr. Arabian Muslim. Did you choose to vote for Mubarak for president of Egypt?

    Here is the love of Muhammad in Qur'an:

    This is your Islam love for the unbeliever creations of Allah. How nice for you who believe in Muhammad Pbuh but for all of mankind, the prophet had other plans.

    Who cares what Muslim Clerics a or Mullahs wear on their bodies. They preach hate, death and destruction of ALL UNBELIEVERS in Allah.

    Why do Muslims who have any intelligence desire never to return to Islam? What is wrong with living among a religion of death and slaughter.

    This is NOT lifes up and downs but the fear of Islamic Mullahs deciding who shall live and who shall die. This Islam is EVIL in its purest form.

    Do you have any proof of these so called muslims scientists? No one has ever heard of them in the west or in any of the Muslim countries. Long before there was ONE MUSLIM on earth, all the things you mentioned were already discovered by UNBELIEVERS. Maybe you know something that NO ONE ELSE ON THE ENTIRE PLANET EARTH KNOWS......

    An Arab not invented the 0 but was one large ZERO himself. Everything else that you claim for Islam you cannot prove as there is no evidence of any Muslims inventing anything else.

    Show me one Muslim in the following list of those who actually were the inventors? JUST ONE....

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    The only Muslim Nobel Peace Prize winner is Chairman Yassar Arafat. A really great scientist thinker.

    Are you a comedian. You really think that Islam brought knowledge and learning and culture to anything but the graveyards of the world?

    You have to believe everything you have been fed to you on the banks of the Nile River. A Nile crocodile must have swallowed your parents before you were born. A guess that is why you have swallowed all those Islamic fairtales.
     
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    hey--maybe it was the same one that sir evil posted!
     
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    Do you really care?
     
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    you bet! you've got the most creative insults on the board---
     
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    Actually its u who don’t understand


    U said
    Yeah right this is my Qur'an but actually u who don’t understand okay let us make it obvious

    Who is speaking in those verses ????

    Allah who is speaking in these verses and he warning those people who don’t believe in his prophet Muhammad to go to the hell ( sure we all believe in the other life "hell, paradise") and he describe what is going on in the hell
    Actually u r so pathetic coz somebody or anybody who explained this verse 4 u don’t know anything 2

    And now a question
    WHY ESPECIALLY Muhammad?
    Okay here we go
    • 1st Allah ordered his Muslims 2 believe in all prophets and messenger he sent
    Then if we believed that there were a Christ peace be on him "bible"
    And mussa peace be on him "torah" and other prophets like Ibrahim, Ismail, ya'cob and Eshak and other
    Then why we don’t believe of Muhammad Qur'an
    Allah says in his Qur'an
    "We sent this book and we will keep it away from harm"
    then Allah will keep his book al qur'an

    • Muhammad is his last messenger that’s mean that al Islam is the religion came from Allah on the earth ,
    Now let me ask isn’t the last version of any software solved some problem in the previous ver of it but its still the same product right it's just an example

    islam is the only religion who believe of other religion coz allah who get all those religion to earth and the religion for allah is al Islam " all prophet was asking for Islam "peace" coz Islam Mean PEACE and only allah could make peace

    if we took bible

    I believe in bible but the write bible there are thousand of bible and all of them isn’t the right one coz all prophets knew that there will last prophet and they was calling him the prophets of the end of ages ,,
    And now how many bibles in the world although there is only one Christ ,, doesn’t this make u think all even believe that it isn’t right

    But how many qur'an there is only one qur'an then the promise Allah made is true no harm will touch his book al qur'an al karim doesn’t that mean something
    Doesn’t that mean that although years past and there still the qur'an as it is nothing change in it doesn’t that mena that it is the only truth that still exist without any harm
    Didn’t u read the old story about the moon ,, no one could deny its truth



    An Arab not invented the 0 but was one large ZERO himself. Everything else that you claim for Islam you cannot prove as there is no evidence of any Muslims inventing anything else.

    If u don’t read in science it isn’t my problem or may there is different in language like u call youssef Joseph


    Why do Muslims who have any intelligence desire never to return to Islam? What is wrong with living among a religion of death and slaughter.


    Nabaweya mousa was assassinated while she was making her research in nuclear power in the US haa

    Who cares what Muslim Clerics a or Mullahs wear on their bodies. They preach hate, death and destruction of ALL UNBELIEVERS in Allah.

    Who told u soo
    Our mullahs travel allover world to spread Islam even there are mullahs in US , COZ Allah asked them to do so ,, let me ask why one leave his family and home to spread the right religion allover world if he only believe in what he do and spread love

    And as I explained the verses u came with from qur'an, then u don’t have clue coz u aslant misunderstand or didn’t understand


    8. Those who are faithfully true to their Amanât (all the duties which Allâh has ordained, honesty, moral responsibility and trusts etc.)[] and to their covenants;
    9. And those who strictly guard their (five compulsory congregational) Salawât (prayers) (at their fixed stated hours).[]
    10. These are indeed the inheritors.
    11. Who shall inherit the Firdaus (Paradise). They shall dwell therein forever.
    Sura almo'menon

    This god asked us to do to be honest

    Dear ajwp y u r keeping talking without evidence


    An Arab not invented the 0 but was one large ZERO himself. Everything else that you claim for Islam you cannot prove as there is no evidence of any Muslims inventing anything else.

    Actually I didn’t insult u coz god asked us never to insult any one , but Arab really invented 0 and we aren’t zero our self I told u were previous living in ignorant while we had the greatest civilization no u had great civilization in ur view of point but who know what's going next , when we had this civilization we didn’t forced every one by our power to destroy y u cant see what's going on in Iraq did they found any weapon ?? nooooooooo
    Did they found benladen in Afghanistan other big nooooooo


    You say it best: "on the contrary Islam courage questioning , but in reasonable question

    I meant not to ask for example about why I wasn’t god ? like what u say
    Why we cant see god ?
    But u know what this is also have an answer
    We know that our prophet muss spoke to god right
    And he asked to see him but when he saw his light only he couldn’t bear his light and and the mountain shaked from his greatest light and then our prophets fall down
    We call mussa "kalim Allah"
    And has there come to you the story of Mûsa (Moses)?
    10. When he saw a fire, he said to his family: "Wait! Verily, I have seen a fire, perhaps I can bring you some burning brand therefrom, or find some guidance at the fire."
    11. And when he came to it (the fire), he was called by name: "O Mûsa (Moses)!
    12. "Verily! I am your Lord! So take off your shoes, you are in the sacred valley, Tuwa.
    13. "And I have chosen you. So listen to that which is inspired to you.
    14. "Verily! I am Allâh! Lâ ilâha illa Ana (none has the right to be worshipped but I), so worship Me, and perform AsSalât (Iqâmat-as-Salât) for My Remembrance.
    15. "Verily, the Hour is coming and My Will is to keep it hidden that every person may be rewarded for that which he strives.
    16. "Therefore, let not the one who believes not therein (i.e. in the Day of Resurrection, Reckoning, Paradise and Hell, etc.), but follows his own lusts,[] divert you therefrom, lest you perish.
    17. "And what is that in your right hand, O Mûsa (Moses)?"
    18. He said: "This is my stick, whereon I lean, and wherewith I beat down branches for my sheep, and wherein I find other uses."
    19. (Allâh) said: "Cast it down, O Mûsa (Moses)!"
    20. He cast it down, and behold! It was a snake, moving quickly.
    21. Allâh said:"Grasp it, and fear not, We shall return it to its former state,
    22. "And press your (right) hand to your (left) side, it will come forth white (and shining), without any disease as another sign,
    23. "That We may show you (some) of Our Greater Signs.
    24. "Go to Fir'aun (Pharaoh)! Verily, he has transgressed (all bounds in disbelief and disobedience, and has behaved as an arrogant, and as a tyrant)."
    Surat Taha 20

    Then how come Allah is as u say is the Hazor stone u talking about

    If he is so the world will stop working and u will die coz Allah move every thing in this world?

    And u again misunderstand we all know that acient Egyptian had lots of gods like romans
    They prayed for sun and the story of the god ozoris and his wife auzoris and his brother and son ,,, its all just legion



    The only Muslim Nobel Peace Prize winner is Chairman Yassar Arafat. A really great scientist thinker.

    No sir and u forget ahmed Zowail, Nageib Mahfouze, Alsadat,….
    Wakeup dear

    Are you a comedian. You really think that Islam brought knowledge and learning and culture to anything but the graveyards of the world?
    Yeah I do as I said about Andalusia
    I believe that Allah who made all of this civilization by his creation of human being allover the world, coz who create u create me, and all have goods and bads and I discovered ur good and bads, and he create brain and different thoughts, didn’t u thought how he create all of these different thumb and different eyes don’t u think that he is great enough to believe in him , and he also create those scientist u talk about and gave them those gift

    I swear I like u , I like every one on this board and I want only good for them
    And if anyone wanna speake deeply in this he could add me on his Msn messenger and I will be so happy for that
     

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