Will the Senate scrap the filibuster?

[rightwinger]

The Constitution was written by Liberals

A lot of the founders were classical liberals. There is no comparison to that term and progressive/dems/liberals of today. They would laugh, jump on their clipper, and sail the hell away from this circus to start all over again.

"Classical Liberals" is a made up term by Conservatives. Liberalism is ever changing. It doesn't remain stuck in one era.

Classical Libers means that conservatives are finally catching up to what Liberals were doing 200 years ago

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The Constitution, which all Liberals love and respect, requires a majority vote in the Senate with the Vice President as the tie breaker

Requiring a 60% vote before you can actually vote on a bill is circumventing our beloved Constitution

You were already cited the Constitutional provision for a Filibuster. You can't help but lie. As I recall you are of the opinion that one need not submit and get passed an amendment any more either, just hire some Ju7dge to make a ruling.

You don't give a RATS ass about the Constitution.

It is the Conservatives with a wish list for changes to our beloved Constitution. I, like most Liberals, am happy with it as it is now

You area bald faced liar. You have already stated that No amendment ever be passed again because you just want Judges to arbitrarily CHANGE the meanings of what the articles say. By the way RETARD, the Constitution as it stands now has 27 AMENDMENTS.

Ad te Constitution SPECIFICALLY STATES that any change to it be done BY THE AMENDMENT PROCESS. Not by a judge.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The Constitution, which all Liberals love and respect, requires a majority vote in the Senate with the Vice President as the tie breaker
Requiring a 60% vote before you can actually vote on a bill is circumventing our beloved Constitution

Says he who apparently has not read the Constitution.

Article I, Section 5:
...Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings...

This includes requiring a super-majority vote to end debate.

...Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings...

Which means they can change the rules at the start of a session

It also means that requiring a 60% vote to end debate before you can actually vote on a bill is completely witnin the bounds of our beloved Constitution.

 

[daveman]

A lot of the founders were classical liberals. There is no comparison to that term and progressive/dems/liberals of today. They would laugh, jump on their clipper, and sail the hell away from this circus to start all over again.

"Classical Liberals" is a made up term by Conservatives. Liberalism is ever changing. It doesn't remain stuck in one era.

Classical Libers means that conservatives are finally catching up to what Liberals were doing 200 years ago

Yes. You guys have totally scrapped the "individual liberty" bit in exchange for "total government control".

How very "progressive".

 

[rightwinger]

Good stuff there, rw. Now that's funny.

The Constitution was written by Liberals

Yes. Classical liberals. Not Statists.

Liberals are still liberals

Just because you are finally coming on board with liberal thought from 200 years ago doesn't make them conservative...it only makes you behind the times

Conservatives have always been on the wrong side of history..

They were 200 years ago...they are today

 

[M14 Shooter]

"Classical Liberals" is a made up term by Conservatives. Liberalism is ever changing. It doesn't remain stuck in one era.

This is an indication of abject ignorance.
Willful or otherwise, is your call.

 

[daveman]

The Constitution was written by Liberals

Yes. Classical liberals. Not Statists.

Liberals are still liberals

All you share with the founders is a label. The current crop of Statists would have fought for King George.

Just because you are finally coming on board with liberal thought from 200 years ago doesn't make them conservative...it only makes you behind the times

Conservatives have always been on the wrong side of history..

They were 200 years ago...they are today

So you're saying betraying individual liberties in favor of government control of individual lives is the right side of history?

It never has been before. Why is it now?

 

[The T]

Yes. Classical liberals. Not Statists.

Liberals are still liberals

All you share with the founders is a label. The current crop of Statists would have fought for King George.

Just because you are finally coming on board with liberal thought from 200 years ago doesn't make them conservative...it only makes you behind the times

Conservatives have always been on the wrong side of history..

They were 200 years ago...they are today

So you're saying betraying individual liberties in favor of government control of individual lives is the right side of history?

It never has been before. Why is it now?

Why? Because this current crop of Statists are much smarter than those before them. Hell even RW'er will tell you thet the Founders had no idea of the future...

...but the Founders also knew the past and Tyrannies before them.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Will the Senate scrap the filibuster on January 5? - The Week

A large group of Democratic senators, led by Majority Leader Harry Reid, wants to reform the filibuster process on January 5, the first day of the new Congress — when, according to precedent, the incoming Senate majority can alter the rules by a simple majority vote without fear of the process itself being filibustered. Although Reid's exact plans are unknown, the changes would reportedly require legislators to be speaking on the Senate floor in order to block a proposed bill (see Jimmy Stewart in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington). Will this work, and is it constitutional for Democrats to even be trying?

if you're going to do it, you should at least actually do it.

Doing it means that you actually are making and actual stand to stop what's going on. Just saying it then grabbing coffee and dontnuts on our dime, is just wrong.

I do wonder; Why know?

 

[daveman]

Liberals are still liberals

All you share with the founders is a label. The current crop of Statists would have fought for King George.

Just because you are finally coming on board with liberal thought from 200 years ago doesn't make them conservative...it only makes you behind the times

Conservatives have always been on the wrong side of history..

They were 200 years ago...they are today

So you're saying betraying individual liberties in favor of government control of individual lives is the right side of history?

It never has been before. Why is it now?

Why? Because this current crop of Statists are much smarter than those before them. Hell even RW'er will tell you thet the Founders had no idea of the future...

...but the Founders also knew the past and Tyrannies before them.

 

[The T]

All you share with the founders is a label. The current crop of Statists would have fought for King George.

So you're saying betraying individual liberties in favor of government control of individual lives is the right side of history?

It never has been before. Why is it now?

Why? Because this current crop of Statists are much smarter than those before them. Hell even RW'er will tell you thet the Founders had no idea of the future...

...but the Founders also knew the past and Tyrannies before them.

Board, Rules, REP, Prohibition...

 

[The T]

Will the Senate scrap the filibuster on January 5? - The Week

A large group of Democratic senators, led by Majority Leader Harry Reid, wants to reform the filibuster process on January 5, the first day of the new Congress — when, according to precedent, the incoming Senate majority can alter the rules by a simple majority vote without fear of the process itself being filibustered. Although Reid's exact plans are unknown, the changes would reportedly require legislators to be speaking on the Senate floor in order to block a proposed bill (see Jimmy Stewart in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington). Will this work, and is it constitutional for Democrats to even be trying?

if you're going to do it, you should at least actually do it.

Doing it means that you actually are making and actual stand to stop what's going on. Just saying it then grabbing coffee and dontnuts on our dime, is just wrong.

I do wonder; Why know?

It's better known as a fussfit from petulant whiners.

 

[rightwinger]

Yes. Classical liberals. Not Statists.

Liberals are still liberals

Just because you are finally coming on board with liberal thought from 200 years ago doesn't make them conservative...it only makes you behind the times

Conservatives have always been on the wrong side of history..
They were 200 years ago...they are today

So you're saying betraying individual liberties in favor of government control of individual lives is the right side of history?

It never has been before. Why is it now?

And liberals would contend that it is conservatives who are taking away individual liberties and instilling government control. Guess it depends on which side of the fence you are on

 

[Trajan]

so I guess something like obama care rates as what? extending individual liberties?

 

[rightwinger]

so I guess something like obama care rates as what? extending individual liberties?

No it involves taking care of American citizens who need it

It is the conservatives who insist on getting into your bedroom, telling you who you can marry, deny homosexuals from serving their country, deny Muslims the right to worship

I would rather have affordable healthcare

 

[LordBrownTrout]

I don't think its too hard to comprehend that the founders would not approve of our massive social nanny state along with our military ops around the world.

 

[rightwinger]

I don't think its too hard to comprehend that the founders would not approve of our massive social nanny state along with our military ops around the world.

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness

 

[Revere]

Happiness is not a government program.

 

[Trajan]

so I guess something like obama care rates as what? extending individual liberties?

No it involves taking care of American citizens who need it

classic. denial aint a river you know?

It is the conservatives who insist on getting into your bedroom, telling you who you can marry, deny homosexuals from serving their country, deny Muslims the right to worship

I would rather have affordable healthcare

Obama isn't down with homosexual marriage either, be careful throwing around your who hit johns, Clinton he signed dadt, who denied Muslims the right to worship?

 

[Intense]

Liberals are still liberals

All you share with the founders is a label. The current crop of Statists would have fought for King George.

Just because you are finally coming on board with liberal thought from 200 years ago doesn't make them conservative...it only makes you behind the times

Conservatives have always been on the wrong side of history..

They were 200 years ago...they are today

So you're saying betraying individual liberties in favor of government control of individual lives is the right side of history?

It never has been before. Why is it now?

Why? Because this current crop of Statists are much smarter than those before them. Hell even RW'er will tell you thet the Founders had no idea of the future...

...but the Founders also knew the past and Tyrannies before them.

The Founders knew Human Nature, and saw Tyranny for what it was. Human Nature has not changed so much.