koshergrl
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You presented a link that stated that the photos were from the social media. That means those photos could be from anywhere. And there are plenty of cattle chutes on BLM land. Those photos could have been taken in Argentina for all the proof you have of there origin.Link? You do realize that the Bundy's had very little land?
Bundy and BLM: 10 things to know
2. The Bundy family has owned its ranch since the 1870s. The ranch is only about 160 acres, which isn’t enough space to sustain the hundreds of cattle that Bundy owns. He insists the disputed land around his ranch belongs to the state of Nevada, rather than the federal government, and he says the feds have no authority in the area. He told the Sun the government is trying to sabotage his plans to someday turn the ranch over to his son.
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The Bundy's owe more in back grazing fees than all of the rest of the ranchers in the US put together.
Permits[edit]
Under Bureau of Land Management permits that had first been issued in 1954, Bundy grazed his cattle legally and paid his grazing fees on the Bunkerville Allotment until 1993. In that year, as a protest, Bundy did not pay renewal fees. His permit was canceled in 1994.[8][9] Although the agency made several attempts to have Bundy renew the permit, the rancher declared that he no longer recognized the BLM's authority to regulate his grazing, and he asserted that he had "vested rights" to graze cattle on the land.[3] Federal courts consistently ruled against Bundy, concluding that he was a trespasser with no right to graze on federal land. The courts authorized the BLM to remove Bundy's cattle and to levy damages for unauthorized use.[3][10]
Bundy accumulated more than $1 million of unpaid grazing fees and court-ordered fines.[11][12] The Portland Oregoniannewspaper reported in May 2014 that the amount that Bundy owed stood in "stark contrast" to the situation in Oregon, where just 45 of the state's roughly 1,100 grazing permit holders collectively owed $18,759 in past-due payments to the BLM.[13]Excluding Bundy's unpaid fees, the total of all late grazing fees owed nationwide to the BLM was only $237,000.[14]
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Yes, I understand that. However there are plenty of pictures that show dead cows on Bundy land. I have presented one of those in a link above.
Yes, part of what you say is true. However the whole BLM raid is stupid. A tax lien gets the feds everything they want, and there is no need for bloodshed. cliven bundy is an asshole, a moron, and a liar. Their claim to have been there since the 1870's is patently false. Records show his father buying the property from Raoul Leavitt in 1948. He relied on government complacency, and ineptitude, to cover his not paying the grazing fees. That worked for a long time, but now the government has finally woken up and want the money owed to them.
I think the amount claimed is absurd, but the bundy's clearly owe the feds tons of money. Probably more than they have in cash, and maybe even more than what they have in total property. I simply don't know. What I do know is the BLM was stupid in launching the assault. Stupid, stupid, stupid. They had everything to lose, and unless we are living in a dictatorship where fear of government is desired, nothing to gain.
The Bundy's had threatened lawmen before with guns. What they should have done was rounded up the family, put them in jail for assault with a deadly, then rounded up the cows and sold them. Then leased the grazing rights out to a real rancher.
I haven't seen evidence of them threatening anyone. Do you have a link for that? And, yes, rounded up the right way I have no problem with. Felony stop on the highway leading in to town, go for it. Launching a large scale assault.......ummmm. Nope. Not unless you are trying make EVERYONE fear government. The bundy's aren't the Mongols or the Hells Angels who WOULD warrant a show of force like that. They are a bunch of country dumbshits in way over their heads.
Still waiting for you to present where in the constitution it gives the blm authority to do anything even remotely like property seizure or maintaining an armed presence on public lands.
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