Darwin
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Seriously?...you want the difference between evidence and proof? Evidence is something which supports the claim that something is true...proof is when you have enough evidence to fully and reasonably believe something is true.
What is and what is not support is then very subjective is it not? To me eyewitness accounts from people who might very well be lying or hallucinating is not evidence. It sounds more like evidence of some kind of mass-psychosis to me.
I don't know any nation that relies solely on religious charity, so if this is the discussion you wish, it will be a short and very theoretical one.
Was not talking about relying on religious charity 100%, my point was that it should not have to be part of the equation or something you rely on. We have lots of non-religious charity too btw, so religion is not a necessity for charity.
Actually what you said was "In my country we pay taxes and take care of eachother with the tax money, instead of slaughtering innocent people on the other side of the planet in places we have no business being in. Imagine that."
Unless you think that slaughtering innocent people on the other side of the planet is "charity", then no, thats not what I was criticizing you for.
Oh yea, you mean I felt pride in the fact that we are peaceful? Yeah, that I can agree with. I'm proud if we can peacefully coexist with the rest of the world. Sue me
In part through the indocrination of millions. It was also possible through advances in science. Shall we think those things are "bad" as well?
The advances in military science were bad. The so called science Dr Mengele represented was also an abomination and we would have done just fine without that.
How the hell did you get from my statement about you to this?
If you are going to base your beliefs on laymen who you happen to come across and talk with, than of course that will be your belief. Most people, religious folk included, have little critical thinking, argumentative, or debate skills. You want to give something a real chance at persuading you? Read the experts, read people who have devoted their lives to proving these things.
Most people who believe in something strongly, would probably do best to think about it too, don't you think? That is how I think you best fight racism, nationalism and such ruining a society. Bring the ideas up for discussion and analyze them thoroughly so we can try to see them for what they are. If religious people refuse to discuss religion, they are certainly free not to discuss it. A first step in the process that could be good is NOT TO DISCUSS IT ON MESSAGEBOARDS THEN, DON'T YOU THINK?
You were telling me that I should not try to discuss religion with the religious people on this board as they are are too common to actually discuss their beliefs, as far as I could tell. Then I responded to it? Or did I misunderstand:
"Most people, religious folk included, have little critical thinking, argumentative, or debate skills. You want to give something a real chance at persuading you? Read the experts, read people who have devoted their lives to proving these things."