Why Water will not allow LWIR energy beyond the skin layer...

[Fort Fun Indiana]

More from NOAA:

Ocean Heat Reveals More About Climate

 

[Billy_Bob]

More from NOAA:

Ocean Heat Reveals More About Climate

From the same work of fiction....

Has their model pass empirical review? Nope, it has not. So your whole assumption is based on a fantasy that has no basis in reality...

Good Work! You've shown just how gullible you are...

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

"That paper, which I was fortunate to be involved with, looked at three different ocean temperature measurements made by three different groups. We found that regardless of whose data was used or where the data was gathered, the oceans are warming."

New study confirms the oceans are warming rapidly | John Abraham

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Has their model pass empirical review? Nope, it has not.

Shameless lie by uneducated slob.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Has their model pass empirical review? Nope, it has not.

Shameless lie by uneducated slob.

And yet you have not provided proof of empirical verification... Not one thing showing empirically observed and verified science... Now why would that be?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Oops, look like whoever scrubbed the EPA site missed some of the science on ocean warming:

Climate Change Indicators: Ocean Heat | US EPA

 

[Billy_Bob]

"That paper, which I was fortunate to be involved with, looked at three different ocean temperature measurements made by three different groups. We found that regardless of whose data was used or where the data was gathered, the oceans are warming."

New study confirms the oceans are warming rapidly | John Abraham

Amazing admission! You then should be well versed in the fact your margin of error is 100 times larger than warming found(suspected)... Now what does that do to your potential findings?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Oops! It looks like oceanographers haven't gotten your memo, professor!:

Ocean Warming

 

[Billy_Bob]

Oops, look like whoever scrubbed the EPA site missed some of the science on ocean warming:

Climate Change Indicators: Ocean Heat | US EPA

Interesting.... All Models... And not one verified by empirical evidence..

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Looks like the US Geological Society hasn't gotten your memo yet, either! What are you doing here, dummy? get on your horse and deliver your important science to these scientific societies!:

Warmer Ocean Waters Seen to Spur Drought in Africa

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Dang, now the U.S. National Academy of Sciences is in on it, too! Who would have thunk that so many brilliant people would waste their time conspiring to fool everyone in the US living within 5 miles of a trailer park????:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...nge-full.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1aK6_B8Z4LpCSdNilYw3-Y

 

[Billy_Bob]

Everyone is so focused on modeling that they miss the very basics of the dynamics and miss the target by miles.. Such is the state of what is called climate science and is nothing more than Climastrology. All of the un-testable mathematical constructs are hailed to be true but when placed up against empirical review they fail.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Looks like the US Geological Society hasn't gotten your memo yet, either! What are you doing here, dummy? get on your horse and deliver your important science to these scientific societies!:

Warmer Ocean Waters Seen to Spur Drought in Africa

Dang, now the U.S. National Academy of Sciences is in on it, too! Who would have thunk that so many brilliant people would waste their time conspiring to fool everyone in the US living within 5 miles of a trailer park????:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj9v-LYhqbYAhUlct8KHaSmBZ8QFghBMAQ&url=http://dels.nas.edu/resources/static-assets/exec-office-other/climate-change-full.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1aK6_B8Z4LpCSdNilYw3-Y

We have ourselves either a Crick or Old Fraud sock puppet... same failed BS every time. And each time I ask for the empirical verification phase of their modeling, they produce none. They simply produce more fantasy models saying their model is right... How many times must I remind you idiots that MODELS ARE NOT EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING.

Funnier still; its a google search and not even a paper.... Desperation is priceless..

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So, let's review:

Uneducated slobs who deny accepted climate theories? they can be found here, shouting into an empty bag, doing no science, ever: US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

The brilliant scientists who have documented the ocean warming? They can be found here:

The Oceanography Society | The Oceanography Society
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
USGS.gov | Science for a changing world

 

[Billy_Bob]

So, let's review:

Uneducated slobs who deny accepted climate theories? they can be found here, shouting into an empty bag, doing no science, ever: US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

The brilliant scientists who have documented the ocean warming? They can be found here:

The Oceanography Society | The Oceanography Society
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
USGS.gov | Science for a changing world

If they are so brilliant why cant you verify their findings with empirical review of their models? Their heads are so far up their asses and the BROKEN models they play with, that they cant see they fail empirical review without question or they know and are complicit in the lie.

I really don't give a shit about you and your appeals to failed authorities. Until you can produce empirical evidence and verify the modeling you have nothing but fantasy.

 

[Old Rocks]

Poor Silly Billy, his lies have zero backing, and he constantly demonstrates what a burger flipper trying to imitate a scientist looks like. And that is damned silly. LOL Silly Billy, every Scientific Society in the world says you are full of shit. Go on quacking, it makes no difference to the real world.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Poor Silly Billy, his lies have zero backing, and he constantly demonstrates what a burger flipper trying to imitate a scientist looks like. And that is damned silly. LOL Silly Billy, every Scientific Society in the world says you are full of shit. Go on quacking, it makes no difference to the real world.

Same bulls shit from the same people all the time... Come on Old Fraud.. post up the empirical reviews for their modeling... I dare you too.... But you cant because they have NEVER DONE THEM. When its done by others however, they show the massive failures.. Then you all scream about your authorities being right but you cant prove it, as all you have are failed models, predictive of nothing..

 

[IanC]

LOL

100ths of joules....

More precisely 0.001 deg C... at over 700m in depth...

You idiots are so funny... Accuracy that no physical measuring device has... Your MOE (margin of error) is +/- 1 deg C making your whole graph a subjective crap assumption....

Here is yet another example of your stupidity.

You took a valid point and mangled it with your lack of scientific knowledge. Zettajoules are 10^23, not hundreds of joules or hundredths of joules, whichever you were trying to say.

OHC stands for ocean heat content. Heat is an actual amount energy, temperature is a description of how much energy is present per volume.

The OHC graph is somewhat misleading because it uses large numbers of joules but because the the oceans contain a huge amount of water the change in temperature for the whole is very small when averaged out. Perhaps on the order of hundredths of a degree. Which does call into question our ability to measure it with any certainty.

So you have ruined a perfectly good skeptical counterpoint with your uneducated babbling.

You're a fucking idiot, and I wish you weren't nominally on my side because you do more damage than good with your gobbledygook.

 

[IanC]

Evaporation causes the skin of the ocean to be cooler than the water just below it. IR keeps the skin warmer than it would have been, therefore less energy moves up from below it.

Wrong!

You using "smart photons" now?

How exactly am I wrong? If IR is absorbed that means energy has been absorbed. It doesn't matter what happens to it afterwards. Heat moves according to temperature gradients. If the skin of the ocean has cooled less because atmospheric IR is replacing some of the energy being lost then the gradient is smaller and less heat is moving up from below.

 

[mamooth]

Billy's crank theory is that the skin of the ocean is constantly evaporating away at a very high rate, so the heat that enters the skin immediately leaves.

However, direct temperature measurements of the ocean skin layer have demonstrated that the ocean skin is not boiling. It's only a few degrees warmer than the ocean directly below, which has very little effect on evaporation.

So, as is always the case, the hard data contradicts Billy.

Billy, here's a thought. If you think you're correct, show us the hard data that backs up your claim. The reference that you did give us had nothing to do with your claim.