Why was the Plane flying over a war zone?

[blackhawk]

Maybe they were looking for flight 370.

 

[skye]

Maybe they were looking for flight 370.

Better not fly Malaysia Airlines for a little while huh?

(unless you have a deathwish)

 

[dilloduck]

fwiw

CNN reports that MH17 had diverted from its usual path, possibly due to weather.

Read more: Malaysia Airlines MH17 shot out of sky by surface-to-air missile in what Ukrainian president calls ?terrorist act? - NY Daily News

 

[blackhawk]

Maybe they were looking for flight 370.

Better not fly Malaysia Airlines for a little while huh?

(unless you have a deathwish)

If you own any stock in them sell ASAP.

 

[tinydancer]

This was without a doubt a no fly zone according to DM. The International Civil Aviation Organization. Check this out.

Malaysia Airlines MH17 'shot down' over Ukraine carrying 295 people | Mail Online

 

[thereisnospoon]

DANVILLE (CBS SF) – During a phone interview with CBS News Thursday morning, Captain Capt. Chesley “Sully” Sullenberger was questioned why Malaysia Airlines flight 17 would be flying over Ukraine’s border with Russia despite ongoing political unrest in the area.
Sullenberger, the veteran of the 2009 Miracle on the Hudson landing, is an aviation expert for CBS News, and was asked by Anchor Scott Pelley why a commercial plane would be flying over an area where two aircraft have been shot down just this week.
“That is one of the big questions right now,” said Sully. “The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration has barred U.S. Airlines from flying over this area for some time.”
“It’s up to each individual nation, each individual airline how much risk they are going to accept,” he continued.
The Danville resident said that, if air traffic control personnel were using both primary and secondary radar, it’s possible that an image of a missile could have been captured on screen, if in fact that is what took down the plane.

If this is indeed a pilot that thought saving time and fuel could be achieved by flying over the Ukraine it would have to be one of the biggest miscalculations since the Titanic.

According to an AP story:
" the flight route was declared safe by the International Civil Aviation Organization."
Nevertheless. Because the rules of aviation state the Captain has absolute discretion regarding the operation of his aircraft, I believe any Captain left to his own good judgement would have chosen a different route. That's in a perfect world.
While the ICAO declared the air space safe, it is entirely possible that the air carriers had great influence on the decision to permit commercial flights in this air space. The reasons are simple economics. To choose a different route means A) more fuel usage and B) more time to complete the route.
Airlines would prefer to spend as little as possible to operate.
From that, one may draw their own inclusions.

 

[tinydancer]

Apparently despite two planes being downed earlier, planes kept flying this route to save money on fuel.

Unfreaking real.

 

[tinydancer]

DANVILLE (CBS SF) – During a phone interview with CBS News Thursday morning, Captain Capt. Chesley “Sully” Sullenberger was questioned why Malaysia Airlines flight 17 would be flying over Ukraine’s border with Russia despite ongoing political unrest in the area.
Sullenberger, the veteran of the 2009 Miracle on the Hudson landing, is an aviation expert for CBS News, and was asked by Anchor Scott Pelley why a commercial plane would be flying over an area where two aircraft have been shot down just this week.
“That is one of the big questions right now,” said Sully. “The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration has barred U.S. Airlines from flying over this area for some time.”
“It’s up to each individual nation, each individual airline how much risk they are going to accept,” he continued.
The Danville resident said that, if air traffic control personnel were using both primary and secondary radar, it’s possible that an image of a missile could have been captured on screen, if in fact that is what took down the plane.

If this is indeed a pilot that thought saving time and fuel could be achieved by flying over the Ukraine it would have to be one of the biggest miscalculations since the Titanic.

According to an AP story:
" the flight route was declared safe by the International Civil Aviation Organization."
Nevertheless. Because the rules of aviation state the Captain has absolute discretion regarding the operation of his aircraft, I believe any Captain left to his own good judgement would have chosen a different route. That's in a perfect world.
While the ICAO declared the air space safe, it is entirely possible that the air carriers had great influence on the decision to permit commercial flights in this air space. The reasons are simple economics. To choose a different route means A) more fuel usage and B) more time to complete the route.
Airlines would prefer to spend as little as possible to operate.
From that, one may draw their own inclusions.

Wow, I've got a complete opposite report than the AP's story.

In April, the International Civil Aviation Organisation advised carriers to consider alternative routes after outlining ‘the possible existence of serious risks to the safety of international civil flights’.

On Monday, Eurocontrol – the body that coordinates all traffic across European airspace – sent out an official note to airmen, known as a Notam, repeating the warning and saying it ‘strongly advises’ avoiding the airspace.

But many carriers continued to use the route because it was shorter and therefore cheaper.


Malaysia Airlines MH17 'shot down' over Ukraine carrying 295 people | Mail Online

 

[skye]

I hope the people inside the plane didn't suffer. Is it a quick death to be killed like that?

Hope so.

 

[thereisnospoon]

DANVILLE (CBS SF) – During a phone interview with CBS News Thursday morning, Captain Capt. Chesley “Sully” Sullenberger was questioned why Malaysia Airlines flight 17 would be flying over Ukraine’s border with Russia despite ongoing political unrest in the area.
Sullenberger, the veteran of the 2009 Miracle on the Hudson landing, is an aviation expert for CBS News, and was asked by Anchor Scott Pelley why a commercial plane would be flying over an area where two aircraft have been shot down just this week.
“That is one of the big questions right now,” said Sully. “The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration has barred U.S. Airlines from flying over this area for some time.”
“It’s up to each individual nation, each individual airline how much risk they are going to accept,” he continued.
The Danville resident said that, if air traffic control personnel were using both primary and secondary radar, it’s possible that an image of a missile could have been captured on screen, if in fact that is what took down the plane.

If this is indeed a pilot that thought saving time and fuel could be achieved by flying over the Ukraine it would have to be one of the biggest miscalculations since the Titanic.

According to an AP story:
" the flight route was declared safe by the International Civil Aviation Organization."
Nevertheless. Because the rules of aviation state the Captain has absolute discretion regarding the operation of his aircraft, I believe any Captain left to his own good judgement would have chosen a different route. That's in a perfect world.
While the ICAO declared the air space safe, it is entirely possible that the air carriers had great influence on the decision to permit commercial flights in this air space. The reasons are simple economics. To choose a different route means A) more fuel usage and B) more time to complete the route.
Airlines would prefer to spend as little as possible to operate.
From that, one may draw their own inclusions.

Wow, I've got a complete opposite report than the AP's story.

In April, the International Civil Aviation Organisation advised carriers to consider alternative routes after outlining ‘the possible existence of serious risks to the safety of international civil flights’.

On Monday, Eurocontrol – the body that coordinates all traffic across European airspace – sent out an official note to airmen, known as a Notam, repeating the warning and saying it ‘strongly advises’ avoiding the airspace.

But many carriers continued to use the route because it was shorter and therefore cheaper.


Malaysia Airlines MH17 'shot down' over Ukraine carrying 295 people | Mail Online

Thanks...I think that because the situation is liquid right now, we're going to see information trickle in for a period of time. With each new piece of info, old stories may be contradicted by newer information.

 

[MarcATL]

DANVILLE (CBS SF) – During a phone interview with CBS News Thursday morning, Captain Capt. Chesley “Sully” Sullenberger was questioned why Malaysia Airlines flight 17 would be flying over Ukraine’s border with Russia despite ongoing political unrest in the area.
Sullenberger, the veteran of the 2009 Miracle on the Hudson landing, is an aviation expert for CBS News, and was asked by Anchor Scott Pelley why a commercial plane would be flying over an area where two aircraft have been shot down just this week.
“That is one of the big questions right now,” said Sully. “The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration has barred U.S. Airlines from flying over this area for some time.”
“It’s up to each individual nation, each individual airline how much risk they are going to accept,” he continued.
The Danville resident said that, if air traffic control personnel were using both primary and secondary radar, it’s possible that an image of a missile could have been captured on screen, if in fact that is what took down the plane.

If this is indeed a pilot that thought saving time and fuel could be achieved by flying over the Ukraine it would have to be one of the biggest miscalculations since the Titanic.

Save money on fuel...and prevent climate change.

The short answer to the OP...capitalism.

 

[MarcATL]

Apparently despite two planes being downed earlier, planes kept flying this route to save money on fuel.

Unfreaking real.

Yes, it's unreal what has been allowed to occur under than guise of CAPITALISM.

It is INDEED "unfreaking real."

 

[Kosh]

Apparently despite two planes being downed earlier, planes kept flying this route to save money on fuel.

Unfreaking real.

Yes, it's unreal what has been allowed to occur under than guise of CAPITALISM.

It is INDEED "unfreaking real."

Then why do you live in the US if you hate capitalism so much?

 

[jon_berzerk]

When people fly on long range international flights, they frequently fly over areas of conflict and unrest.

Remember the U.S. Navy cruiser shooting down the Iranian airliner in 1988 (or was it 87?) and killing 290 people?

My Fiancee's flight from JFK to Dubai flew over Iraq with no issues. It was an Emirates flight, but at 35k feet its probably hard to ID an airplane's airline.

Also planes just don't fly willy nilly. They fly in air corridors, like highways in the air. This appears to be this flights normal air corridor.

You have to REALLLY want to shoot at a plane flying at 33k feet.

This appears to be this flights normal air corridor.

it was

many airlines flew that same leg

the FAA banned American airlines from flying through there

after it was learned that the rebels got a hold of missiles

capable of hitting targets to seventy thousand feet

many countries joined that list today

 

[DigitalDrifter]

I hope the people inside the plane didn't suffer. Is it a quick death to be killed like that?

Hope so.

Likely for some at least.

 

[Freewill]

DANVILLE (CBS SF) – During a phone interview with CBS News Thursday morning, Captain Capt. Chesley “Sully” Sullenberger was questioned why Malaysia Airlines flight 17 would be flying over Ukraine’s border with Russia despite ongoing political unrest in the area.
Sullenberger, the veteran of the 2009 Miracle on the Hudson landing, is an aviation expert for CBS News, and was asked by Anchor Scott Pelley why a commercial plane would be flying over an area where two aircraft have been shot down just this week.
“That is one of the big questions right now,” said Sully. “The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration has barred U.S. Airlines from flying over this area for some time.”
“It’s up to each individual nation, each individual airline how much risk they are going to accept,” he continued.
The Danville resident said that, if air traffic control personnel were using both primary and secondary radar, it’s possible that an image of a missile could have been captured on screen, if in fact that is what took down the plane.

If this is indeed a pilot that thought saving time and fuel could be achieved by flying over the Ukraine it would have to be one of the biggest miscalculations since the Titanic.

I would think that firing a missile at a plane at 33 thousand feet would actually be number one but that is just me.

 

[Desperado]

This appears to be this flights normal air corridor.

it was

many airlines flew that same leg

the FAA banned American airlines from flying through there

after it was learned that the rebels got a hold of missiles

capable of hitting targets to seventy thousand feet

many countries joined that list today

I ask again, If they knew months ago that the rebels got a hold of missiles
capable of hitting targets to seventy thousand feet, why was that plane still in that air corridor? If the FAA issued a ban from that air corridor, why was that air corridor still active? That is the question.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

DANVILLE (CBS SF) – During a phone interview with CBS News Thursday morning, Captain Capt. Chesley “Sully” Sullenberger was questioned why Malaysia Airlines flight 17 would be flying over Ukraine’s border with Russia despite ongoing political unrest in the area.
Sullenberger, the veteran of the 2009 Miracle on the Hudson landing, is an aviation expert for CBS News, and was asked by Anchor Scott Pelley why a commercial plane would be flying over an area where two aircraft have been shot down just this week.
“That is one of the big questions right now,” said Sully. “The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration has barred U.S. Airlines from flying over this area for some time.”
“It’s up to each individual nation, each individual airline how much risk they are going to accept,” he continued.
The Danville resident said that, if air traffic control personnel were using both primary and secondary radar, it’s possible that an image of a missile could have been captured on screen, if in fact that is what took down the plane.

If this is indeed a pilot that thought saving time and fuel could be achieved by flying over the Ukraine it would have to be one of the biggest miscalculations since the Titanic.

Save money on fuel...and prevent climate change.

The short answer to the OP...capitalism.

Nope, wasn't caused by capitalism. It was caused by either russia or ukraine.