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I think this moral question was addressed in a great Documentary called "Frankenstein"
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I don't know the answer to those questions, and maybe that's my precautionary fear cause...Modern medicine, sanitation, housing, and other conforms of our modern society have already circumvented nature to the extent that natural selection is not making the human race stronger. The harshness of nature is not eliminating our weak as it did just a couple of hundred years ago. People with genetic defects and weaknesses are surviving and reproducing in the present that would have never survived and reproduced in the past.by manipulating the genes, we are not allowing Nature to run it's course by choosing what makes us stronger and better... the manipulation weakens the human race in the long run....Our medical tech is advancing rapidly and one of the things I have heard used to put the breaks on rolling this stuff out that could save literally millions of lives is how that tech can be abused. Even conservative doctors that are frequent guests on talk shows say that they support government regulation to prevent Designer babies.
Why?
From where does this fear that every parent will pick out perfect blonde haired Blue Eyed babies come from?
Whatever look that they want their kids to have is their choice, it seems to me, what is the harm of it?
Meanwhile we could have ZERO children born with defects or genetically prone to diseases.
Having more blond blue eyed kids running around seems like such a small price to pay, but I dont see what is wrong with that anyway.
Could someone explain this fear to me?
(to the point where in a thousand years from now, we'll all end up looking like the Grays....the us... of the future, and have to time travel back to abduct humans to harvest their sperm and eggs from those who had no manipulation done so the us, of the future can try to get themselves back to normal again)
Genetic engineering may very be the solution to our end run around natural selection. Care4all may be correct that Genetic manipulation will make us weaker, but that promise seems to be based on fiction not science. If advances in the human genome through natural selection make us stronger, why would advances through purposeful genetic engineering make us weaker?
The Earth is 25,000 miles in circumference. There's no way the increase the surface area of our planet.
Rather, we could miniaturise the human species over the course of a few generations.
Whether it's Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, the Greek story of Prometheus giving humans the secret of fire, the tree of knowledge, etc., we should not dismiss the cautionary lessons of mythology.
But what you're talking about seems inevitable. I can imagine a day when you'll be considered an abusive parent if you don't insert the approved and patented gene strain produced by corporation X.
Either some calamity sets us back to the pre-industrial age, or genetically modified humans will become the norm. This trajectory will eventually lead to a new species of humanoid, a bio machine which is superior to humans in many ways but lacking in many noble human qualities.
Homo sapiens will go the way of the Neanderthal
In the meta view, the universal view, there's no right or wrong in human replacement. I just happen to like humans. I'm biased
God doesn't want us to become gods Jim...
he didn't even want us to have knowledge....I have no idea why and can't even imagine why...but I guess we will find out some day!
Homo Sapiens will be replaced by Homo Perfectus!Homo sapiens will go the way of the Neanderthal
Because it is far more difficult to get people to donate to a movement that is based on optimism instead of fear.Modern medicine, sanitation, housing, and other conforms of our modern society have already circumvented nature to the extent that natural selection is not making the human race stronger. The harshness of nature is not eliminating our weak as it did just a couple of hundred years ago. People with genetic defects and weaknesses are surviving and reproducing in the present that would have never survived and reproduced in the past.
Genetic engineering may very be the solution to our end run around natural selection. Care4all may be correct that Genetic manipulation will make us weaker, but that promise seems to be based on fiction not science. If advances in the human genome through natural selection make us stronger, why would advances through purposeful genetic engineering make us weaker?
I'll throw in that I think the theory of evolution as it stands now is a total crock and absurd, given the probabilities involved, not to mention the lack of any evidence worth citing for such an eons long string of 'happy accidents' happening.
I think this would just be the beginning of the end of God's creation....God doesn't want us to become gods Jim...
There is more to being God than merely immortality and omniscience, which I was of course exaggerating.
There is also that pesky thing about creating space and time that I doubt we will ever measure up to.
he didn't even want us to have knowledge....I have no idea why and can't even imagine why...but I guess we will find out some day!
As I understand it, God did not want us ignorant in general, but only ignorant of the knowledge of morality, which brings with it moral responsibility and the possibility of sin. Had we never come to understand right from wrong we would have never lost our innocence and would have never become capable of sin.
I dont think God really likes sin.
Art?What noble qualities would those be?....
I think this would just be the beginning of the end of God's creation....
We humans will mess this technology up some day, beware of us....we are too greedy and sinful and boastful...we WILL mess this up.
The Earth is 25,000 miles in circumference. There's no way the increase the surface area of our planet.
Rather, we could miniaturise the human species over the course of a few generations.
No one suggested any particular group would do that. Why do you have to drag race baiting into the discussion.I'm trying to get my head around the suggestion that Asians, Blacks and Middle Easterners would want blue eyed, blond haired designer babies.
I mean, since they make up the bulk of human population like they do........
This is why Jim...Our medical tech is advancing rapidly and one of the things I have heard used to put the breaks on rolling this stuff out that could save literally millions of lives is how that tech can be abused. Even conservative doctors that are frequent guests on talk shows say that they support government regulation to prevent Designer babies.
Why?
From where does this fear that every parent will pick out perfect blonde haired Blue Eyed babies come from?
Whatever look that they want their kids to have is their choice, it seems to me, what is the harm of it?
Meanwhile we could have ZERO children born with defects or genetically prone to diseases.
Having more blond blue eyed kids running around seems like such a small price to pay, but I dont see what is wrong with that anyway.
Could someone explain this fear to me?
This is why Jim...Our medical tech is advancing rapidly and one of the things I have heard used to put the breaks on rolling this stuff out that could save literally millions of lives is how that tech can be abused. Even conservative doctors that are frequent guests on talk shows say that they support government regulation to prevent Designer babies.
Why?
From where does this fear that every parent will pick out perfect blonde haired Blue Eyed babies come from?
Whatever look that they want their kids to have is their choice, it seems to me, what is the harm of it?
Meanwhile we could have ZERO children born with defects or genetically prone to diseases.
Having more blond blue eyed kids running around seems like such a small price to pay, but I dont see what is wrong with that anyway.
Could someone explain this fear to me?
No one suggested any particular group would do that. Why do you have to drag race baiting into the discussion.I'm trying to get my head around the suggestion that Asians, Blacks and Middle Easterners would want blue eyed, blond haired designer babies.
I mean, since they make up the bulk of human population like they do........
Do you realize that there are blond, red hedded and blue eyed people across all races? It is not just a white thing. Malcolm X, for example, was a red head.
The topic is why the fear of Designer Babies, and the phrase "blonde haried blued eyed babies" seems to be the banner of dread that most of the yahoos drag out to use as proof that this should not be allowed.
I am wondering why that is.
So that would make the fear of so many who object o Designer Babies essentially delusional, no?The title of the thread says quite clearly "blond haired, blue eyed designer babies" . I was merely pointing out the obvious -- that most people in the world are neither, and so are unlikely to want hose features in their baby.