Why the GOP should never rule Warshington

[sealybobo]

The economy is very well. IT is behaving EXACTLY as it SHOULD.

Oh, and we lost over 300 last week to traffic accidents. Afgahnistan is SAFER than our own highways....

Do you want to take this back or do you still say the economy is acting EXACTLY as it SHOULD.

And don't you dare blame anyone but the gop, because we've been screaming this was going to happen and the entire time you said things were fine. So you can't pretend to be right now.

So this story is about $500 bilion lost, not to mention another $500 billion debt and now we have to bail them out?

You do realize what the federal reserve and bush did was socialize our financial institutions, right? so much for free markets.

republicans privatize the profits and socialize the losses.

anyways, you said the economy was fine. makes you as wrong as mccain.

OBAMA 08!

 

[Zoomie1980]

Behaving like it should? What planet do you live on? Our economy should not in bombing in the manner that it is. There was a serious failure by the Bush Administration to stave off these problems before they occurred. Instead they are more worried about throwing billions at a "War on Terror" that has been utterly useless to date. Congratulations Bush and to the conservative lemmings that support him. Its been a hell of an eight years. Cant wait for them to be over.

No, it continues to behave EXACTLY as it should. When we have EXCESSES they have to be PURGED. What happens when governments try and prevent the pain? Japan from the 1980's through the early 2000's. Completely STAGNANT, low level recessionary economy for 15 years.

Recessions are HEALTHY. Got that? They are ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED in a free market system.

 

[Zoomie1980]

Do you want to take this back or do you still say the economy is acting EXACTLY as it SHOULD.

And don't you dare blame anyone but the gop, because we've been screaming this was going to happen and the entire time you said things were fine. So you can't pretend to be right now.

So this story is about $500 bilion lost, not to mention another $500 billion debt and now we have to bail them out?

You do realize what the federal reserve and bush did was socialize our financial institutions, right? so much for free markets.

republicans privatize the profits and socialize the losses.

anyways, you said the economy was fine. makes you as wrong as mccain.

OBAMA 08!

I believe it even more NOW!! The gov't should not have move a whit in this "crisis" Should have let Bear Stearns COLLAPSE back then and let anything else collapse as well. If we don't get our fingers burned badly when we do stupid things, we will keep doing them!

Recessions are HEALTHY and are a MANDATORY part of a free market system

 

[sealybobo]

I believe it even more NOW!! The gov't should not have move a whit in this "crisis" Should have let Bear Stearns COLLAPSE back then and let anything else collapse as well. If we don't get our fingers burned badly when we do stupid things, we will keep doing them!

Recessions are HEALTHY and are a MANDATORY part of a free market system

But that wouldn't have been a part of the grand heist this bailout actually is. Yes, we were robbed! They de-regulated so they could make as much as they possibly could off the sub prime market and the back half of the plan was to empty the banks reserves at just the right time so that they could DEMAND a bailout 2 month before an election, knowing the Democrats would have to cave.

So if you want to just give the banks $700K, vote Republican.

If you want to just let the banks die, vote for Nader.

Or, if you want the government to take over OWNERSHIP of the loans they are purchasing and make a profit off the good ones while we take it in the ass on the bad ones, again, rather than just giving the super rich $700 billion, then you should vote for Obama.

And if you never want this to happen again, vote for Obama.

 

[Bern80]

And if you never want this to happen again, vote for Obama.

You're aware that Obama only gets to be in office at most 8 years right?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Well we all know that the "rich" people who got all this special treatment were all repudlicans right? Surely there are no rich Dimocrats that's just not possible is it?

 

[Bern80]

Well we all know that the "rich" people who got all this special treatment were all repudlicans right? Surely there are no rich Dimocrats that's just not possible is it?

Of course there is. It's called Hollywood. A truly enlitened segement of society if ever there was one.

 

[editec]

Well we all know that the "rich" people who got all this special treatment were all repudlicans right? Surely there are no rich Dimocrats that's just not possible is it?

A point well taken, Skull.

Sadly, the partisans on either side still appear not to get it.

They have been so bamboozled into thinking that the R and D leadership are in some some titanic battle over basics, when in fact, our politics are no more real than TV wrasslin'.

Push comes to shove (as it so evidently has in this banking fiasco) and you find that those in charge in BOTH parties are absolutely on the same page.

Note that the Rs and Ds are NOT debating the basic structure of the PLAN?

What they ARE doing, however, is piling on the pork for THEIR constitutents to show us how very different they really are.

Good cop/bad cop. time and time again, it's the same old game.

How stupid do people have to be not to see it?

We'd rather quibble about the polls and what they mean than face the fact that in the final analysis, they don't mean a damned thing.

LOOK when it comes to issues involving serious money, the DNC and the RNC are the same. The FABULOUSLY WEALTHY are taken care of at every turn by both parties.

Of course, they are,

The fabulously wealthy pay for and own both parties.

Their plan is to STARVE THE BEAST.

The BEAST isn't government, folks, its the AMERICAN middle class, and our arrogant attitude that we are something other than beasts of burden meant to work for the benefit of the upper crust.

Our political faith is as absurd as any that of any savage praying to a stone idol.

My god! I think I've just talked myself back into being an anarchist.

Screw it, let it burn!

 

[sealybobo]

Whoa. Wait a minute here dingbat, are you serious?

You REALLY think gas going higher from hurricane effects in the gulf is the fault of republicans?

You're not able to comprehend how that is really just a typical market reaction?

Why all of the sudden is gas getting cheaper? Is it supply and demand or because an election is coming up?

Is it because the market is tanking?

I hope you can look back at what they did to us with gas prices and relate it to how they fucked us on the $700 billion dollar bailout.

Do you believe Bush's initial bailout proposal was anything more than bank robbery? Well then, why would you believe them about gas prices?

I hope you see now what a dip shit you were for defending $4 a gallon.

Vote for McCain and gas will be over $4 right after the election. Bet. By January they will jack it up to $4 if McCain wins. If he doesn't win, no bet. Wanna bet?

 

[sealybobo]

You're aware that Obama only gets to be in office at most 8 years right?

Doesn't matter. He, along with Congress, will pass laws and put in regulations so that it can't happen....that is of course unless America is dumb enough to ever put the GOP back into power ever again. We may have a Republican President, or one of the two houses might be GOP, but they should never be in charge again. They represent the top 1% so at best they should only be 10% of Washington.

So if there are 100 Senators, only 10 of them should be Republicans. And don't worry, because Democrats don't collude together. We have Blue Dog Democrats and Northern Democrats and San Francisco Democrats that will argue with each other.

That is unless Republicans one day start representing middle class conservatives. Don't just talk the talk, walk the walk.

 

[sealybobo]

I believe it even more NOW!! The gov't should not have move a whit in this "crisis" Should have let Bear Stearns COLLAPSE back then and let anything else collapse as well. If we don't get our fingers burned badly when we do stupid things, we will keep doing them!

Recessions are HEALTHY and are a MANDATORY part of a free market system

Unfortunately, the GOP government did some things that caused the problem, before this bailout. So yes, they should have not done those things that led us to this. But since they sort of caused this, they had to fix what they did.

Now the Government can recoup YOUR money if you want them too, but you are so brainwashed you'll see it as socialism and you'll fight it. So instead, the government will just buy up the bad debt and not the good. And they won't actually buy anything. They'll let the banks keep the bad debt. And some of the bad debt will pay itself off. But we won't see any of that money because god forbid YOU and YOUR GOVERNMENT get a return.

PS. This recession wasn't a normal recession caused by natural market trends. You'd like us to believe that. You'll pretend the GOP didn't do it on purpose. And that's why the GOP will never change. Dumb asses like you will vote for them no matter what. So they might lose this election, but the general publics memory is short. VERY short. Look how they forgot that HW Bush was a HORRIBLE president and then they elected his son.

So the GOP won't change. They don't have to. They just have to sit out 4 years and they'll be back, selling you their lies. And you'll swallow them like a frat house slut.

PPS. Why don't you listen to the Republicans when they say the government is part of the problem?

 

[Bern80]

Doesn't matter. He, along with Congress, will pass laws and put in regulations so that it can't happen....that is of course unless America is dumb enough to ever put the GOP back into power ever again. We may have a Republican President, or one of the two houses might be GOP, but they should never be in charge again. They represent the top 1% so at best they should only be 10% of Washington.

So if there are 100 Senators, only 10 of them should be Republicans. And don't worry, because Democrats don't collude together. We have Blue Dog Democrats and Northern Democrats and San Francisco Democrats that will argue with each other.

That is unless Republicans one day start representing middle class conservatives. Don't just talk the talk, walk the walk.

He will do what every compassionate to a fault liberal would do. He will pass legislation to protect people from their own stupidity and as a nother poster said, if you don't let people burn themselves they're just going to keep playing with the fire.

I don't know exactley what you think Obama would do to prevent this, but any legislative measure runs counter to how people effectively learn. You teach people how to behave and Obama would attempt to do for the middle class exactley what the government has done with this bailout. You have essentially taught them that there is no negative consequence to them for their screw ups.

I also encourage you to read the following that RGS posted as you continute to insist that this is the fault of Republicans.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/who_caused_the_economic_crisis.html

 

[sealybobo]

He will do what every compassionate to a fault liberal would do. He will pass legislation to protect people from their own stupidity and as a nother poster said, if you don't let people burn themselves they're just going to keep playing with the fire.

I don't know exactley what you think Obama would do to prevent this, but any legislative measure runs counter to how people effectively learn. You teach people how to behave and Obama would attempt to do for the middle class exactley what the government has done with this bailout. You have essentially taught them that there is no negative consequence to them for their screw ups.

I also encourage you to read the following that RGS posted as you continute to insist that this is the fault of Republicans.

FactCheck.org: Who Caused the Economic Crisis?

I'm not buying it. If you look at what the GOP did from 1999-2006, they set this up to happen.

Don't think so? Then just look back at how they lied us into Iraq so they could bleed the treasury dry $20 billion a month for 5 straight years.

Get your head out of your ass man!!!

Clinton made it easier for poor people to buy homes. Wow, I guess that's just as bad as passing laws that say the banks don't have to keep sufficient reserve money in their kitties so this kind of mess couldn't happen.

Or deregulating so predatory lenders could con people.

So I guess the GOP went into 2000 knowing they were going to do this and of course they had to have an alibi. So of course they turned to Carter, Clinton, and then that bullshit fix that McCain supposedly tried to pass. And that's just fucking hysterical.

Anyways, seems to me the Democrats have very little responsibility for this.

And you are going to vote for who? The GOP, who are MOSTLY to blame.

So I guess if you don't care that the GOP are 90% to blame, I won't care that the Democrats are 10% at fault.

 

[sealybobo]

He will do what every compassionate to a fault liberal would do. He will pass legislation to protect people from their own stupidity and as a nother poster said, if you don't let people burn themselves they're just going to keep playing with the fire.

I don't know exactley what you think Obama would do to prevent this, but any legislative measure runs counter to how people effectively learn. You teach people how to behave and Obama would attempt to do for the middle class exactley what the government has done with this bailout. You have essentially taught them that there is no negative consequence to them for their screw ups.

I also encourage you to read the following that RGS posted as you continute to insist that this is the fault of Republicans.

FactCheck.org: Who Caused the Economic Crisis?

So you want car companies and mortgage brokers to be able to con us? Have you ever purchased a home? Remember how many forms there were? They will fuck you hard if the government doesn't regulate them. They will write stuff in with such small writing you won't even know it is there.

But I guess it is up to you to get a lawyer to figure it all out.

But hey, that's great for lawyers.

 

[Bern80]

So you want car companies and mortgage brokers to be able to con us? Have you ever purchased a home? Remember how many forms there were? They will fuck you hard if the government doesn't regulate them. They will write stuff in with such small writing you won't even know it is there.

But I guess it is up to you to get a lawyer to figure it all out.

But hey, that's great for lawyers.

I want people to be responsible and recognize the things they control rathering than pissing and moaning like you endlessly do about being a victim when at least half the reason you were 'victimized' is your own damn fault.

 

[Bern80]

I'm not buying it. If you look at what the GOP did from 1999-2006, they set this up to happen.

Don't think so? Then just look back at how they lied us into Iraq so they could bleed the treasury dry $20 billion a month for 5 straight years.

Get your head out of your ass man!!!

Pull your head out of Obama's ass. I'm pretty sure you don't have the economic smarts to credibly say whether he's wrong or not. The one thing you can always be fairly certain of is that when there's a dumbass like you that is so sure only one entity is fully to blame, they are probably wrong and don't have the objectivity to see otherwise. It isn't just that article. No economist worth his salt is saying what you're saying and as far as I know you're no economist. Forgive me for taking the more objective word of some mildly educated folk over a biased puppet like yourself.

Clinton made it easier for poor people to buy homes. Wow, I guess that's just as bad as passing laws that say the banks don't have to keep sufficient reserve money in their kitties so this kind of mess couldn't happen.

Or deregulating so predatory lenders could con people.

So I guess the GOP went into 2000 knowing they were going to do this and of course they had to have an alibi. So of course they turned to Carter, Clinton, and then that bullshit fix that McCain supposedly tried to pass. And that's just fucking hysterical.

Anyways, seems to me the Democrats have very little responsibility for this.

And you are going to vote for who? The GOP, who are MOSTLY to blame.

So I guess if you don't care that the GOP are 90% to blame, I won't care that the Democrats are 10% at fault.

You will note that I am not taking the opposite role in stating that dems are mostly to blame. As the article notes, there is plenty of blame to go around and little of it has to with one party or the other. What is for certain about your postion is that if you keep playing the victim you will continue to be one. How convenient for you.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Pull your head out of Obama's ass. I'm pretty sure you don't have the economic smarts to credibly say whether he's wrong or not. The one thing you can always be fairly certain of is that when there's a dumbass like you that is so sure only one entity is fully to blame, they are probably wrong and don't have the objectivity to see otherwise. It isn't just that article. No economist worth his salt is saying what you're saying and as far as I know you're no economist. Forgive me for taking the more objective word of some mildly educated folk over a biased puppet like yourself.



You will note that I am not taking the opposite role in stating that dems are mostly to blame. As the article notes, there is plenty of blame to go around and little of it has to with one party or the other. What is for certain about your postion is that if you keep playing the victim you will continue to be one. How convenient for you.

Bern, you should know not to bother a moonbat with the facts.

 

[sealybobo]

Pull your head out of Obama's ass. I'm pretty sure you don't have the economic smarts to credibly say whether he's wrong or not. The one thing you can always be fairly certain of is that when there's a dumbass like you that is so sure only one entity is fully to blame, they are probably wrong and don't have the objectivity to see otherwise. It isn't just that article. No economist worth his salt is saying what you're saying and as far as I know you're no economist. Forgive me for taking the more objective word of some mildly educated folk over a biased puppet like yourself.



You will note that I am not taking the opposite role in stating that dems are mostly to blame. As the article notes, there is plenty of blame to go around and little of it has to with one party or the other. What is for certain about your postion is that if you keep playing the victim you will continue to be one. How convenient for you.

It's just really funny to me that for the past 8 years we've been screaming that the Bush/Delay policies were fucking up America and you guys were telling us to go fuck ourselves. Now you want us to share the blame? Forgive me if I laugh.

The economy sucks. You guys didn't even admit it until February 08. One reason is that jobs are going oveseas. We've been screaming that too many good jobs are going overseas. When that becomes the hot issue, are you going to tell us that Carter shares the blame because of some obscure law that was passed 30 years ago?

Here is another great example. Democrats have their share of bleeding heart liberals, no doubt. But the illegal immigration problem is more an illegal employer problem. But, you guys will try to blame the bleeding heart liberals for our illegal immigration problem rather than where it really lies, with the small business' and companies like Tyson Chicken who benefitted the past 20 years by exploiting illegals. They win, the company wins, but the US worker loses. Those bleeding heart liberals didn't have any power to stop you from 2000-2006 if you decide to deport all the illegals and fix the problem, but you saw in 06 that the "true conservatives" in the GOP were fighting with the Bush Republicans who want to hire and use illegal workers.

I could go on and on about what the GOP did from 2000-2006 to put us in this mess. I hardly am going to listen to you or your bullshit economists who are no fucking doubt republicans. Or stupid.

Again, you didn't admit there was a problem even though you were warned. Now you want to pass the blame around? That is very untypical of the Republican party. This is as close as they ever come to admitting guilt and saying sorry.

And next year when your minority party in both houses obstruct progress and filabuster until the 2010 elections, you can have them share the blame in anything the all Democratic government does. Deal? I fucking doubt it dude!!!

 

[Bern80]

It's just really funny to me that for the past 8 years we've been screaming that the Bush/Delay policies were fucking up America and you guys were telling us to go fuck ourselves. Now you want us to share the blame? Forgive me if I laugh.

The economy sucks. You guys didn't even admit it until February 08. One reason is that jobs are going oveseas. We've been screaming that too many good jobs are going overseas. When that becomes the hot issue, are you going to tell us that Carter shares the blame because of some obscure law that was passed 30 years ago?

Here is another great example. Democrats have their share of bleeding heart liberals, no doubt. But the illegal immigration problem is more an illegal employer problem. But, you guys will try to blame the bleeding heart liberals for our illegal immigration problem rather than where it really lies, with the small business' and companies like Tyson Chicken who benefitted the past 20 years by exploiting illegals. They win, the company wins, but the US worker loses. Those bleeding heart liberals didn't have any power to stop you from 2000-2006 if you decide to deport all the illegals and fix the problem, but you saw in 06 that the "true conservatives" in the GOP were fighting with the Bush Republicans who want to hire and use illegal workers.

I could go on and on about what the GOP did from 2000-2006 to put us in this mess. I hardly am going to listen to you or your bullshit economists who are no fucking doubt republicans. Or stupid.

Again, you didn't admit there was a problem even though you were warned. Now you want to pass the blame around? That is very untypical of the Republican party. This is as close as they ever come to admitting guilt and saying sorry.

And next year when your minority party in both houses obstruct progress and filabuster until the 2010 elections, you can have them share the blame in anything the all Democratic government does. Deal? I fucking doubt it dude!!!

I'm sure you could go on and on. But this post proof that it isn't me that needs to pull his head out of his ass. It's you. You had the opporrunity to give yourself some semblance of credibility by showing that you have the ability to be mildly objective. But the fact that you called the write of that piece a Republican when you A) have zero evidence to support it and B) the fact that the author whether factually right or wrong, passed blame out equally, pretty much shatters what small shred of credibility that you have.

You are one of those people that most people reach an impass with in conversation because you don't have th ability to recognize or acknowledge your own bias and see it at just that. Any reasonable person can see that it would be hard to carry on a rationale conversation with somene who makes accussations that they not only have no evidence for, but can't even be reasonably inferred.

 

[sealybobo]

I'm sure you could go on and on. But this post proof that it isn't me that needs to pull his head out of his ass. It's you. You had the opporrunity to give yourself some semblance of credibility by showing that you have the ability to be mildly objective. But the fact that you called the write of that piece a Republican when you A) have zero evidence to support it and B) the fact that the author whether factually right or wrong, passed blame out equally, pretty much shatters what small shred of credibility that you have.

You are one of those people that most people reach an impass with in conversation because you don't have th ability to recognize or acknowledge your own bias and see it at just that. Any reasonable person can see that it would be hard to carry on a rationale conversation with somene who makes accussations that they not only have no evidence for, but can't even be reasonably inferred.

Show me once in the last 8 years where the Republicans accepted responsibility for anything? They even tried to get the Democrats to "share" blame for the Iraq invasion because people like Biden were lied into voting for it. The fact is, occupying and invading was the GOP's idea. If you don't know all the facts, maybe you would swallow that pill, but I must know more than you.

And Factcheck didn't pass out blame EQUALLY. He may have suggested that some of the poor people that got loans under Clinton and Carter lost their jobs recently and got foreclosed. But why did they lose their jobs? Who's fault is this piss poor economy? Jobs goin overseas, the dollar being weak, high unemployment, competing with illegals for work, companies paying workers less and ceo's more. Who's agenda is that?

I understand that the mortgage industry inflated the values of their home. So you want them to share blame. Good, so do I. But I also blame the GOP for this, because they didn't regulate them enough. It happened on the GOP's watch. Plain and simple.

If you want me to say the Dems have SOME blame, I will, but not enough that any of you should be voting for McCain next month. Is that where you are going with this?

And I have all the evidence I need. 8 years worth of it.

I should ask the guy at work to email me the folder he has for me. Before I found this site, I used to tell him and a few others what the GOP were doing from 2004-2006. He has 2000 emails from me. All with links provided. Giving tax breaks to companies when they go overseas, proof they stole the florida election, then Ohio, proof they politicized the justice department, they spied, they tortured, they lied, they should be impeached. The list goes on and on. It's easy to forget how corrupt the GOP was for the last 8 years because they did corrupt shit every day/week. Hell, I can hardly remember what the last scandal was. Was it Ted Stevens?

Think about it. Carter and Clinton wanted poor people to own homes. So did Bush. But the deregulations done in the 2000's are why the economy collapsed and why the banks didn't have enough money in reserve.

Here:

"In 2004, for example, Bush told a group of carpenters in Phoenix that 'the housing industry is booming, which means more people own their home. And that's positive.'

"'We want more people owning their own home. There's nothing like saying this home is my home,' Bush said, adding: 'I've called on private-sector mortgage banks and banks to be more aggressive about lending money to first-time home buyers. And the response has been really good.'

"During an October 2004 speech to the National Association of Home Builders, Bush talked about his administration's record on encouraging homeownership -- including a proposal to allow first-time buyers to make no down payment. He cast the effort as part of an 'ownership society' that would also include health-care and retirement accounts."