Why the concept of "individual rights" is in direct opposition the the rights of the people

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"For us, human rights are contradictory to the rights of the people, because we base rights in man as a social product, not man as an abstract with innate rights. "Human rights" do not exist except for the bourgeois man, a position that was at the forefront of feudalism, like liberty, equality, and fraternity were advanced for the bourgeoisie of the past. Our position is very clear. We reject and condemn human rights because they are bourgeois, reactionary, counterrevolutionary rights, and are today a weapon of revisionists and imperialists, principally Yankee imperialists." — Communist Party of Peru, Sobre las Dos Colinas. 1991

Document which this quote is taken from: Cedema.org - Viendo: Sobre las dos colinas (Documento de estudio para el balance de la III Campaña)

The bottom line of this paragraph, which I wholeheartedly agree with, is that human rights for individuals are contradictory to the rights of the people as a whole. Human beings receive their rights from the government, not just because they were born with them. For example, is you are naked and alone in the arctic, and a polar bear comes up and attacks you. Can you fend it off with your "innate right to life and liberty?" NO! There is no such thing as innate rights, and the only rights a person has is what the government provides.

The right wing uses the concept of "individual rights" to silence and oppress the working classes. The "right to free speech" has been used to allow right wing hate groups and media such as Fox news to continue to slander people of color and the poor, keeping those groups from being treated as equal in society. "The right to protest" simply means that the right wing can stage neo-nazi rallies without fear of punishment, further oppressing the victims of racist violence in this country. "The right of free movement" simply allows rich white people to move into the neighborhoods of poor people of color and gentrify the area, thereby pricing the original residents out of their own homes.

Don't get me wrong, there are certain rights which are necessary in society. But these rights must be applied to the people as a WHOLE, not to individuals. For example, the people as a whole must have the right to speak the truth, meaning that all media which is honest and truthful should be allowed, but that individuals who slander and spew hate can be and should be silenced. The right to vote must be applied to the people as a whole, not to individuals. This means that the people who will vote in the best interests of the country as a whole must be allowed to elect those in charge, but those who vote against the best interests of the people must not be allowed to influence the elections, either by voting or through any other means such as running for office or advertizing.

Simply put, individual rights do not exist. They are a creation of the right wing used to encourage and enforce the oppression of minorities, of women, and the proletariat while covering it under the guise of freedom. The only rights which exist in a truly free and democratic society are the rights of the people as a whole, granted to the people by the government, not any bullsheet "human rights" applied to the individual.
 
Yes! fuck individual liberty! Collectivism is the answer!
Who wants to be themselves? We should all be alike! Especially like you!
Go Mao!
 
Isnt it weird how leftists always talk about "let people be themselves" and then grovel in this bullshit?
Morons.
 
Only government can grant a right and their are no individual rights. Yet, who is here exercising those very things? If we want to know your individual opinion, we'll give you one to spout okay?
 
Yes! fuck individual liberty! Collectivism is the answer!
Who wants to be themselves? We should all be alike! Especially like you!
Go Mao!

All i'm saying is the the "right" to vote for Donald Trump or to insult people of color on Fox news is in direct contradiction with the rights of society to be free of racism, bigotry, and hate speech.

The "right" to donate a million dollars to a political campaign goes against the right of society to have free and fair elections

The "right" to sell Mein Kampf or the Turner Diaries undermines the right of society to be free of violence and genocide against ethnic minorities

get my point?
 
Yes! fuck individual liberty! Collectivism is the answer!
Who wants to be themselves? We should all be alike! Especially like you!
Go Mao!

All i'm saying is the the "right" to vote for Donald Trump or to insult people of color on Fox news is in direct contradiction with the rights of society to be free of racism, bigotry, and hate speech

Rights of society? You mean like the right to determine what offends others? What a person can do with their income?
 
individuals who slander and spew hate can be and should be silenced.

Let me guess. You get to define what hate is. We've seen this show before.

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Yes! fuck individual liberty! Collectivism is the answer!
Who wants to be themselves? We should all be alike! Especially like you!
Go Mao!

All i'm saying is the the "right" to vote for Donald Trump or to insult people of color on Fox news is in direct contradiction with the rights of society to be free of racism, bigotry, and hate speech.

The "right" to donate a million dollars to a political campaign goes against the right of society to have free and fair elections

The "right" to sell Mein Kampf or the Turner Diaries undermines the right of society to be free of violence and genocide against ethnic minorities

get my point?
No it isn't. That is EXACTLY what it means. People are assholes. That's life. Delusion doesn't help anyone.
And don't give me any bullshit about violence or genocide. Could you at least TRY to be consistent?
 
"For us, human rights are contradictory to the rights of the people, because we base rights in man as a social product, not man as an abstract with innate rights. "Human rights" do not exist except for the bourgeois man, a position that was at the forefront of feudalism, like liberty, equality, and fraternity were advanced for the bourgeoisie of the past. Our position is very clear. We reject and condemn human rights because they are bourgeois, reactionary, counterrevolutionary rights, and are today a weapon of revisionists and imperialists, principally Yankee imperialists." — Communist Party of Peru, Sobre las Dos Colinas. 1991

Document which this quote is taken from: Cedema.org - Viendo: Sobre las dos colinas (Documento de estudio para el balance de la III Campaña)

The bottom line of this paragraph, which I wholeheartedly agree with, is that human rights for individuals are contradictory to the rights of the people as a whole. Human beings receive their rights from the government, not just because they were born with them. For example, is you are naked and alone in the arctic, and a polar bear comes up and attacks you. Can you fend it off with your "innate right to life and liberty?" NO! There is no such thing as innate rights, and the only rights a person has is what the government provides.

The right wing uses the concept of "individual rights" to silence and oppress the working classes. The "right to free speech" has been used to allow right wing hate groups and media such as Fox news to continue to slander people of color and the poor, keeping those groups from being treated as equal in society. "The right to protest" simply means that the right wing can stage neo-nazi rallies without fear of punishment, further oppressing the victims of racist violence in this country. "The right of free movement" simply allows rich white people to move into the neighborhoods of poor people of color and gentrify the area, thereby pricing the original residents out of their own homes.

Don't get me wrong, there are certain rights which are necessary in society. But these rights must be applied to the people as a WHOLE, not to individuals. For example, the people as a whole must have the right to speak the truth, meaning that all media which is honest and truthful should be allowed, but that individuals who slander and spew hate can be and should be silenced. The right to vote must be applied to the people as a whole, not to individuals. This means that the people who will vote in the best interests of the country as a whole must be allowed to elect those in charge, but those who vote against the best interests of the people must not be allowed to influence the elections, either by voting or through any other means such as running for office or advertizing.

Simply put, individual rights do not exist. They are a creation of the right wing used to encourage and enforce the oppression of minorities, of women, and the proletariat while covering it under the guise of freedom. The only rights which exist in a truly free and democratic society are the rights of the people as a whole, granted to the people by the government, not any bullsheet "human rights" applied to the individual.

When you are chained in a dungeon for pointing out how the government is corrupt, inept, and dangerously unresponsive to NATURAL INDIVIDUAL rights, you come back and brag about how this COLLECTIVE right determined by politicians is working out for ya.. M'kay??? :uhoh3:

When rights are recognized for ALL individuals equally -- it IS a collective right. You're very confused.
 
All i'm saying is the the "right" to vote for Donald Trump or to insult people of color on Fox news is in direct contradiction with the rights of society to be free of racism, bigotry, and hate speech.
You're getting dumber with each spam thread you start. How does a society speak? Everyone votes on what to say?
 
Yes! fuck individual liberty! Collectivism is the answer!
Who wants to be themselves? We should all be alike! Especially like you!
Go Mao!

All i'm saying is the the "right" to vote for Donald Trump or to insult people of color on Fox news is in direct contradiction with the rights of society to be free of racism, bigotry, and hate speech.

The "right" to donate a million dollars to a political campaign goes against the right of society to have free and fair elections

The "right" to sell Mein Kampf or the Turner Diaries undermines the right of society to be free of violence and genocide against ethnic minorities

get my point?
Wow....

Guess if you can tell where we think you stand....:lol:

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Yes! fuck individual liberty! Collectivism is the answer!
Who wants to be themselves? We should all be alike! Especially like you!
Go Mao!

All i'm saying is the the "right" to vote for Donald Trump or to insult people of color on Fox news is in direct contradiction with the rights of society to be free of racism, bigotry, and hate speech.

The "right" to donate a million dollars to a political campaign goes against the right of society to have free and fair elections

The "right" to sell Mein Kampf or the Turner Diaries undermines the right of society to be free of violence and genocide against ethnic minorities

get my point?
Wow....

Guess if you can tell where we think you stand....:lol:

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your chart is a bs lie. Fascism is far RIGHT WING. Fascism is characterized by extreme militarism, misogyny, and a focus on religion in society. Sounds VERY similar to the gop, doesn't it?

And yes, the Nazis called themselves "national socialists." Guess what? the republicans call themselves "republican," implying that they support a republic, when in reality they support an oligarchy ruled by big business and christian fundamentalism, with tons of voter suppression. Never trust the right wing when they call themselves anything besides for "losers"
 
Yes! fuck individual liberty! Collectivism is the answer!
Who wants to be themselves? We should all be alike! Especially like you!
Go Mao!

All i'm saying is the the "right" to vote for Donald Trump or to insult people of color on Fox news is in direct contradiction with the rights of society to be free of racism, bigotry, and hate speech.

The "right" to donate a million dollars to a political campaign goes against the right of society to have free and fair elections

The "right" to sell Mein Kampf or the Turner Diaries undermines the right of society to be free of violence and genocide against ethnic minorities

get my point?
Wow....

Guess if you can tell where we think you stand....:lol:

View attachment 92364

your chart is a bs lie. Fascism is far RIGHT WING. Fascism is characterized by extreme militarism, misogyny, and a focus on religion in society. Sounds VERY similar to the gop, doesn't it?

And yes, the Nazis called themselves "national socialists." Guess what? the republicans call themselves "republican," implying that they support a republic, when in reality they support an oligarchy ruled by big business and christian fundamentalism, with tons of voter suppression. Never trust the right wing when they call themselves anything besides for "losers"

We live in a Democratic Republic Chairman Moron.
 
"For us, human rights are contradictory to the rights of the people, because we base rights in man as a social product, not man as an abstract with innate rights. "Human rights" do not exist except for the bourgeois man, a position that was at the forefront of feudalism, like liberty, equality, and fraternity were advanced for the bourgeoisie of the past. Our position is very clear. We reject and condemn human rights because they are bourgeois, reactionary, counterrevolutionary rights, and are today a weapon of revisionists and imperialists, principally Yankee imperialists." — Communist Party of Peru, Sobre las Dos Colinas. 1991

Document which this quote is taken from: Cedema.org - Viendo: Sobre las dos colinas (Documento de estudio para el balance de la III Campaña)

The bottom line of this paragraph, which I wholeheartedly agree with, is that human rights for individuals are contradictory to the rights of the people as a whole. Human beings receive their rights from the government, not just because they were born with them. For example, is you are naked and alone in the arctic, and a polar bear comes up and attacks you. Can you fend it off with your "innate right to life and liberty?" NO! There is no such thing as innate rights, and the only rights a person has is what the government provides.

The right wing uses the concept of "individual rights" to silence and oppress the working classes. The "right to free speech" has been used to allow right wing hate groups and media such as Fox news to continue to slander people of color and the poor, keeping those groups from being treated as equal in society. "The right to protest" simply means that the right wing can stage neo-nazi rallies without fear of punishment, further oppressing the victims of racist violence in this country. "The right of free movement" simply allows rich white people to move into the neighborhoods of poor people of color and gentrify the area, thereby pricing the original residents out of their own homes.

Don't get me wrong, there are certain rights which are necessary in society. But these rights must be applied to the people as a WHOLE, not to individuals. For example, the people as a whole must have the right to speak the truth, meaning that all media which is honest and truthful should be allowed, but that individuals who slander and spew hate can be and should be silenced. The right to vote must be applied to the people as a whole, not to individuals. This means that the people who will vote in the best interests of the country as a whole must be allowed to elect those in charge, but those who vote against the best interests of the people must not be allowed to influence the elections, either by voting or through any other means such as running for office or advertizing.

Simply put, individual rights do not exist. They are a creation of the right wing used to encourage and enforce the oppression of minorities, of women, and the proletariat while covering it under the guise of freedom. The only rights which exist in a truly free and democratic society are the rights of the people as a whole, granted to the people by the government, not any bullsheet "human rights" applied to the individual.


Stay in school, kid. You've got a lot to learn.
 
Yes! fuck individual liberty! Collectivism is the answer!
Who wants to be themselves? We should all be alike! Especially like you!
Go Mao!

All i'm saying is the the "right" to vote for Donald Trump or to insult people of color on Fox news is in direct contradiction with the rights of society to be free of racism, bigotry, and hate speech.

The "right" to donate a million dollars to a political campaign goes against the right of society to have free and fair elections

The "right" to sell Mein Kampf or the Turner Diaries undermines the right of society to be free of violence and genocide against ethnic minorities

get my point?
Wow....

Guess if you can tell where we think you stand....:lol:

View attachment 92364

your chart is a bs lie. Fascism is far RIGHT WING. Fascism is characterized by extreme militarism, misogyny, and a focus on religion in society. Sounds VERY similar to the gop, doesn't it?

And yes, the Nazis called themselves "national socialists." Guess what? the republicans call themselves "republican," implying that they support a republic, when in reality they support an oligarchy ruled by big business and christian fundamentalism, with tons of voter suppression. Never trust the right wing when they call themselves anything besides for "losers"
Our current American left wing is enveloped by corporatism. Got anything from this century?
 
Yes! fuck individual liberty! Collectivism is the answer!
Who wants to be themselves? We should all be alike! Especially like you!
Go Mao!

All i'm saying is the the "right" to vote for Donald Trump or to insult people of color on Fox news is in direct contradiction with the rights of society to be free of racism, bigotry, and hate speech.

The "right" to donate a million dollars to a political campaign goes against the right of society to have free and fair elections

The "right" to sell Mein Kampf or the Turner Diaries undermines the right of society to be free of violence and genocide against ethnic minorities

get my point?
Wow....

Guess if you can tell where we think you stand....:lol:

View attachment 92364

your chart is a bs lie. Fascism is far RIGHT WING. Fascism is characterized by extreme militarism, misogyny, and a focus on religion in society. Sounds VERY similar to the gop, doesn't it?

And yes, the Nazis called themselves "national socialists." Guess what? the republicans call themselves "republican," implying that they support a republic, when in reality they support an oligarchy ruled by big business and christian fundamentalism, with tons of voter suppression. Never trust the right wing when they call themselves anything besides for "losers"
Yes, we thought so....

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Yes! fuck individual liberty! Collectivism is the answer!
Who wants to be themselves? We should all be alike! Especially like you!
Go Mao!

All i'm saying is the the "right" to vote for Donald Trump or to insult people of color on Fox news is in direct contradiction with the rights of society to be free of racism, bigotry, and hate speech.

The "right" to donate a million dollars to a political campaign goes against the right of society to have free and fair elections

The "right" to sell Mein Kampf or the Turner Diaries undermines the right of society to be free of violence and genocide against ethnic minorities

get my point?
Wow....

Guess if you can tell where we think you stand....:lol:

View attachment 92364

your chart is a bs lie. Fascism is far RIGHT WING. Fascism is characterized by extreme militarism, misogyny, and a focus on religion in society. Sounds VERY similar to the gop, doesn't it?

And yes, the Nazis called themselves "national socialists." Guess what? the republicans call themselves "republican," implying that they support a republic, when in reality they support an oligarchy ruled by big business and christian fundamentalism, with tons of voter suppression. Never trust the right wing when they call themselves anything besides for "losers"
Yes, we thought so....

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You know that Mrs. Clinton, while by no means a reputable and honest person, is NOWHERE as bad as a crazy man who killed 12 million people out of pure racism and bigotry. Geez, you right wingers can;t be taken fucking seriously when you compare a sometimes dishonest politician to a mass murderer, right?
 
"For us, human rights are contradictory to the rights of the people, because we base rights in man as a social product, not man as an abstract with innate rights. "Human rights" do not exist except for the bourgeois man, a position that was at the forefront of feudalism, like liberty, equality, and fraternity were advanced for the bourgeoisie of the past. Our position is very clear. We reject and condemn human rights because they are bourgeois, reactionary, counterrevolutionary rights, and are today a weapon of revisionists and imperialists, principally Yankee imperialists." — Communist Party of Peru, Sobre las Dos Colinas. 1991

Document which this quote is taken from: Cedema.org - Viendo: Sobre las dos colinas (Documento de estudio para el balance de la III Campaña)

The bottom line of this paragraph, which I wholeheartedly agree with, is that human rights for individuals are contradictory to the rights of the people as a whole. Human beings receive their rights from the government, not just because they were born with them. For example, is you are naked and alone in the arctic, and a polar bear comes up and attacks you. Can you fend it off with your "innate right to life and liberty?" NO! There is no such thing as innate rights, and the only rights a person has is what the government provides.

The right wing uses the concept of "individual rights" to silence and oppress the working classes. The "right to free speech" has been used to allow right wing hate groups and media such as Fox news to continue to slander people of color and the poor, keeping those groups from being treated as equal in society. "The right to protest" simply means that the right wing can stage neo-nazi rallies without fear of punishment, further oppressing the victims of racist violence in this country. "The right of free movement" simply allows rich white people to move into the neighborhoods of poor people of color and gentrify the area, thereby pricing the original residents out of their own homes.

Don't get me wrong, there are certain rights which are necessary in society. But these rights must be applied to the people as a WHOLE, not to individuals. For example, the people as a whole must have the right to speak the truth, meaning that all media which is honest and truthful should be allowed, but that individuals who slander and spew hate can be and should be silenced. The right to vote must be applied to the people as a whole, not to individuals. This means that the people who will vote in the best interests of the country as a whole must be allowed to elect those in charge, but those who vote against the best interests of the people must not be allowed to influence the elections, either by voting or through any other means such as running for office or advertizing.

Simply put, individual rights do not exist. They are a creation of the right wing used to encourage and enforce the oppression of minorities, of women, and the proletariat while covering it under the guise of freedom. The only rights which exist in a truly free and democratic society are the rights of the people as a whole, granted to the people by the government, not any bullsheet "human rights" applied to the individual.
I've never seen such obvious totalitarian slave mentality in my life. The concept of group rights is an oxymoron.
 
All i'm saying is the the "right" to vote for Donald Trump or to insult people of color on Fox news is in direct contradiction with the rights of society to be free of racism, bigotry, and hate speech.
You're getting dumber with each spam thread you start. How does a society speak? Everyone votes on what to say?
Demagogues like CHAIRMANGONZALO think they speak for society.
 
Yes! fuck individual liberty! Collectivism is the answer!
Who wants to be themselves? We should all be alike! Especially like you!
Go Mao!

All i'm saying is the the "right" to vote for Donald Trump or to insult people of color on Fox news is in direct contradiction with the rights of society to be free of racism, bigotry, and hate speech.

The "right" to donate a million dollars to a political campaign goes against the right of society to have free and fair elections

The "right" to sell Mein Kampf or the Turner Diaries undermines the right of society to be free of violence and genocide against ethnic minorities

get my point?
You have no right to be free of racism, bigotry or hate speech. Selling Mein Kampf isn't the cause of violence or genocide. Servile bootlicking morons who despise freedom are the cause of violence and genocide. You're the kind that put Hitler in office.
 

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