Why Still High Speed Chases?

[Rigby5]

I have only lived in NM for about 5 years now, but everywhere else I have ever lived, high speed chases have been illegal for over 50 years. That is because regardless how they start, they almost always end up killing people. So high speed chases are almost always much worse than if there had not been a high speed chase.

So why are there still high speed chases in NM? Don’t they have radios, helicopters, etc., like everyone else? With high speed chases, the police endanger everyone, not just themselves. So they can’t be legal anywhere. They are just reckless endangerment. Why haven’t they stopped?

It is the media we count on to keep our gov doing the right thing. Lets do something before more are needlessly killed. High speed chases usually are incredibly foolish, reckless, dangerous, needless, and illegal. When you chase someone, it just stimulates their fear and flight instincts, and forces them to be less able to surrender. Everyone knows this.

In particular, there was a recent high speed chase near Santa Fe in NM, where 1 cop killed, 1 innocent driver killed, the car jacker escaped, and many other cops and motorists were injured, including the woman who was carjacked.

State Police arrest suspect in pursuit that killed police officer and retired firefighter

State Police arrested Jeannine Jaramillo and is being charged with two counts of murder

www.koat.com

If this link dies, search on "Officer Robert Duran", or "pursuit on I-25 near Santa Fe".

Here is the lead in:
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Santa Fe police officer and driver killed in crash after pursuit​

A City of Santa Fe police officer died in a crash during a pursuit on Interstate 25. Mar 3, 2022

A Santa Fe police officer and one other person died in a crash following a pursuit on I-25 near Santa Fe.
According to Santa Fe Police, a kidnapping was reported Wednesday morning where a male armed with a knife carjacked a female driver at the Rancho Vizcaya Apartments. Santa Fe Police later found the vehicle near Sawmill Road and St. Francis Drive. Police say they tried to stop the vehicle and that's when the vehicle fled.
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During the pursuit, a crash happened at Mile Marker 286 south of the exit at Old Pecos Trail. The crash involved four vehicles. Those vehicles included two Santa Fe Police patrol units, the fleeing vehicle, and another driver not involved in the chase.

One Santa Fe Police officer and the driver not involved in the chase died in the crash. ...}​

 

[rightwinger]

Unless it is a life or death situation, there should not be high speed chases

 

[Muhammed]

Unless it is a life or death situation, there should not be high speed chases

This was a kidnapping of a girl by a knife-wielding perp.

 

[Harry Dresden]

high speed chases in S.Cal just about every week....

 

[EvilCat Breath]

We have high speed chases in southern California and sometimes there isn't even a chase. There is little need for chasing because the car is followed by helicopter. The fools keep speeding, thinking they can outrun a helicopter. Police cars wait along the predicted route almost until the end. Then they folliow.

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

This is what needs to be done.

Stop your car or get a pit stop.

Best Pit Ever

12:31

 

[okfine]

high speed chases in S.Cal just about every week....

Everyday lately.

 

[Rigby5]

This was a kidnapping of a girl by a knife-wielding perp.

I saw nothing on the age of the driver, but she was injured enough by the high speed chase so that she ended up in the hospital.
So the high speed chase harmed her more than if there had been no high speed chase.
If the suspect had been pursued at low speed, then the victim could have been more safely served.
Low speed pursuit means using radios to get other police cars ahead of the fleeing suspect instead of speeding behind them.
Always much safer and more successful.
This is even more true when traffic is low and helicopters can easily follow from a distance.

 

[Rigby5]

high speed chases in S.Cal just about every week....

Police seem to be doing more illegal things all the time, like shooting unarmed suspects, etc.
That is the point.
Why the trend of police being more and more lawless?

 

[Rigby5]

We have high speed chases in southern California and sometimes there isn't even a chase. There is little need for chasing because the car is followed by helicopter. The fools keep speeding, thinking they can outrun a helicopter. Police cars wait along the predicted route almost until the end. Then they folliow.

Exactly.
The helicopter and roadblock routine has been known for decades to be much safer than high speed pursuit.

 

[Rigby5]

The point is that police have no authority to endanger everyone like this.
That is because no one can give them that authority.
Legislators have never given them that authority, because they can't, since they do not have that authority to give.
For that authority to exist, then we would have to have it first, and then second to delegate it to the police.
Neither of those are true.

 

[Rigby5]

Here is a PIT maneuver on a pregnant driver who did nothing wrong.
She correctly slowed, signaled, and was looking for the first exit.

Lawsuit: Arkansas state trooper causes pregnant woman's car to flip over using PIT maneuver

The woman alleges that she was trying to find a safe place to pull over before officer Rodney Dunn flipped her car.

abc7.com

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LAWSUIT

Lawsuit: Arkansas state trooper causes pregnant woman's car to flip over using PIT maneuver​

Video shows the moment officer Rodney Dunn flipped Janice Harper's car on an Arkansas highway.

By Alex Meier
Friday, June 11, 2021
https://abc7.com/watch/
A father was shot and killed by deputies following a "street takeover" event and car crash in Bellflower overnight, family members tell Eyewitness News.


LITTLE ROCK, Ark. -- A lawsuit alleges that an Arkansas state trooper caused a pregnant woman's SUV to flip over by performing a PIT maneuver, a tactic used to stop high-speed chases, in an attempt to pull her over for speeding.

According to the suit, Officer Rodney Dunn allegedly clocked Janice Nicole Harper's SUV for driving 84 miles per hour -- 14 mph over the speed limit -- along U.S. Highway 167 in Pulaski County, Arkansas, on July 9, 2020.

Dashcam video shows Harper slow down and turn on her hazard lights as Dunn's patrol car tails hers with emergency lights and sirens. Harper was seeking a safe place to stop her vehicle, according to the suit.

Two minutes later, Dunn initiated a precision immobilization technique, or PIT maneuver, by matching the SUV's speed and nudging the rear corner behind the back wheel.
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The suit called Dunn's decision to execute the PIT maneuver "negligent," placing her life and the life of her unborn child at risk. She "suffered severe bodily [injuries]," according to the suit.
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[Turtlesoup]

I saw nothing on the age of the driver, but she was injured enough by the high speed chase so that she ended up in the hospital.
So the high speed chase harmed her more than if there had been no high speed chase.
If the suspect had been pursued at low speed, then the victim could have been more safely served.
Low speed pursuit means using radios to get other police cars ahead of the fleeing suspect instead of speeding behind them.
Always much safer and more successful.
This is even more true when traffic is low and helicopters can easily follow from a distance.

It also means that a criminal need only run away at high speed to avoid being arrested which btw LEADS to more crime.

Do the high speed chase--start shooting fleeing drivers again. If the driver survives--make him wish he was dead.

 

[Muhammed]

I saw nothing on the age of the driver, but she was injured enough by the high speed chase so that she ended up in the hospital.
So the high speed chase harmed her more than if there had been no high speed chase.
If the suspect had been pursued at low speed, then the victim could have been more safely served.
Low speed pursuit means using radios to get other police cars ahead of the fleeing suspect instead of speeding behind them.
Always much safer and more successful.
This is even more true when traffic is low and helicopters can easily follow from a distance.

It's really hard to judge this type of situation without knowing the details. How do you know that the crazy perp wouldn't have stabbed her to death and many more victims if the cops would not have chased him down??

You kinda gotta trust the professionals in these sort of situations. Monday morning quarterbacking is leftist bullshit.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Here is a PIT maneuver on a pregnant driver who did nothing wrong.
She correctly slowed, signaled, and was looking for the first exit.

Lawsuit: Arkansas state trooper causes pregnant woman's car to flip over using PIT maneuver

The woman alleges that she was trying to find a safe place to pull over before officer Rodney Dunn flipped her car.

abc7.com

{...
LAWSUIT

Lawsuit: Arkansas state trooper causes pregnant woman's car to flip over using PIT maneuver​

Video shows the moment officer Rodney Dunn flipped Janice Harper's car on an Arkansas highway.

By Alex Meier
Friday, June 11, 2021
ABC7 Live Stream | Los Angeles News on KABC
A father was shot and killed by deputies following a "street takeover" event and car crash in Bellflower overnight, family members tell Eyewitness News.


LITTLE ROCK, Ark. -- A lawsuit alleges that an Arkansas state trooper caused a pregnant woman's SUV to flip over by performing a PIT maneuver, a tactic used to stop high-speed chases, in an attempt to pull her over for speeding.

According to the suit, Officer Rodney Dunn allegedly clocked Janice Nicole Harper's SUV for driving 84 miles per hour -- 14 mph over the speed limit -- along U.S. Highway 167 in Pulaski County, Arkansas, on July 9, 2020.

Dashcam video shows Harper slow down and turn on her hazard lights as Dunn's patrol car tails hers with emergency lights and sirens. Harper was seeking a safe place to stop her vehicle, according to the suit.

Two minutes later, Dunn initiated a precision immobilization technique, or PIT maneuver, by matching the SUV's speed and nudging the rear corner behind the back wheel.
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The suit called Dunn's decision to execute the PIT maneuver "negligent," placing her life and the life of her unborn child at risk. She "suffered severe bodily [injuries]," according to the suit.
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The cop was correct.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Exactly.
The helicopter and roadblock routine has been known for decades to be much safer than high speed pursuit.

The point I was making is that helicopters and roadblocks have no effect on the driver of a speeding car. They will speed and drive recklessly without being chased at all. The helicopter is all they need.

 

[jbrownson0831]

Police seem to be doing more illegal things all the time, like shooting unarmed suspects, etc.
That is the point.
Why the trend of police being more and more lawless?

Where are your statistics to show such a "trend"?

 

[Rigby5]

It also means that a criminal need only run away at high speed to avoid being arrested which btw LEADS to more crime.

Do the high speed chase--start shooting fleeing drivers again. If the driver survives--make him wish he was dead.

I disagree.
If you do not conduct a high speed chase, but instead radio for roadblocks ahead of the fleeing suspect, then you ensure arrest because they will stop driving so fast and they won't get as far away.
Since high speed chases kill more, it almost always increases crime.
Most high speed chases are not over serious crimes that would even warrant a high speed chase.
Most are juveniles joy riding.
They are forced into speeding by the adrenaline caused by the police pursuit.
They have no choice.
Police pursuit always results in strong emotional chemicals.

 

[Rigby5]

It's really hard to judge this type of situation without knowing the details. How do you know that the crazy perp wouldn't have stabbed her to death and many more victims if the cops would not have chased him down??

You kinda gotta trust the professionals in these sort of situations. Monday morning quarterbacking is leftist bullshit.

No determined criminal would do something this stupid.
It likely was an irrational act, but had no indications of violence necessarily.
What possible motive would this car jacker have to murder?
And it is was the cops who sent her to the hospital, not the car jacker.

I totally disagree with the idea of "trusting the professionals", since cops are NOT at all professional when it comes to things like this that they WANT to do. Racing is fun. But we should not allow it, because WE KNOW BETTER.
The police are always inherently corrupt because power and bureaucracy always corrupts.
Both the right and left should know that.

 

[jbrownson0831]

No determined criminal would do something this stupid.
It likely was an irrational act, but had no indications of violence necessarily.
What possible motive would this car jacker have to murder?
And it is was the cops who sent her to the hospital, not the car jacker.

I totally disagree with the idea of "trusting the professionals", since cops are NOT at all professional when it comes to things like this that they WANT to do. Racing is fun. But we should not allow it, because WE KNOW BETTER.
The police are always inherently corrupt because power and bureaucracy always corrupts.
Both the right and left should know that.

Wow. No cops necessary.....those poor mistreated criminals.