Why "privatizing" our Post Office would be a mistake:

[Harry Dresden]

The reason why Fed Ex is more expensive is because they're allowed to be.

No, the reasons that they're more expensive are:

A) The USPS has a monopoly on first class letter service.

and

2) FedEx can't push their losses off onto the taxpayer.

why not?.....GM did......just sayin....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Private companies are more apt to do what it takes to please customers because they won't stay in business if they don't. The government doesn't have that limitation. They can be as bad as they want. When they don't stay in a budget, they just confiscate more money from the tax payers. If people aren't happy with how they run things, too bad. If the post office destroys your package by rough handling, you're out of luck if you didn't purchase insurance. Even when you do, you have to jump through hoops. If you're not happy or have a complaint about how they handled things, then don't expect that you have another avenue to pursue. The post office can be slow, mishandle packages or be as rude as can be when you walk into the post office. Private business know that will hurt business and they can't just take money when they need it, so they concern themselves more with customer service.

oh fucking bullshit......we can not be as bad as we want.......we dont take tax money......and if UPS destroys your package your not out of luck?......they got a replacement for you?.....you just sound like a disgruntled Customer......and you probably call in every week just to complain about something......every PO has a few like you.....the constant complainers......you probably complain when its pouring rain and your mail gets wet.......

 

[Harry Dresden]

Never any guarantees with government and no recourse when they screw you over.

sure there is.....

 

[thereisnospoon]

^^^^^

why taking any rdipscitt post seriously is a mistake and demonstrated daily. .

he's right. Postal workers would never mishandle packages.

never!!!!

 

[thereisnospoon]

I don't think the venerable USPO should be privatized. Just look at Kevin Costner's movie "the postman" for inspiration. The Post Office is an icon and a symbol of what made America great. What needs to be done is ...gasp...streamline the bloated bureaucracy. Stop delivering mail on Saturday if that's what it takes. I got a Christmas card from a friend who lives about 12 miles away and it was postmarked about 100 miles in the other direction. Sooner or later the smart people in the private sector will do it better than the zombies who don't care about spending the taxpayers money and I think it's sad to let that happen.

What needs to be done is to increase postal rates.

44 cents to pick up a letter at my house and take it to California?

Try asking UPS or Fed Ex to do that!

And not just one letter either... over half a billion letters daily.

The people wanting a privatized fedex would totally bitch at the four or five times increase in mailing price per letter... unless of course they were shareholders.

Plus, you would have to PAY for fedex or USPS to make a pickup to your residence to receive letters, unlike the USPS which comes for free.

Right. And that's why the USPS is so fucking broke and dysfunctional..
It is not logical to set rates for a piece of mail the same if it travels one mile as 3000 miles.
The USPS business model is a loser.

 

[Cowman]

There's a reason they offer insurance. Because shit happens.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I hate to think how many times my
credit card payments ended up late
or lost in the mail thanks to the
USPS.How many bills never made it to me
so I ended up missing a payment altogether
or mailing it in late.

I try to use online payments
as much as possible.

I wouldn't mind a private
for profit company taking over.

And thus the reason why companies must accept the date of the postmark as the date received.
Too often, payments to credit card issuers and other creditors were considered "late" because of processing delays.
Many consumers were being hit with late fees even though their payment was in the building but staff had just not gotten around to doing their jobs.
I once had it out with a long distance telco ( no longer in business) that tried hitting me with a late fee.
I mailed the payment a bout a week before it was due. The bill went from NC to OH...
No way it should take a week.
I pointed this out to the representative. She tried this nonsense that it was MY fault for waiting to mail the payment. I told her it was THEIR problem if they could not motivate their people to move faster and get their jobs done.
It went up the flagpole and the late fee was waived. I cancelled the LD service and went with another company.
Fuck me?... No bitch, fuck YOU!
Oh, nine days to from my post office to one 17 miles away. NINE DAYS..
I hate the USPS.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Bull-SHIT!

I just got tagged with a late fee because it took the postal "service" (I've been served quite enough, thankyouverymuch) took TEN FUCKING DAYS to get last month's MC payment delivered....Fortunately, my credit and payment histories are spotless and the charge was reversed.

First class mail my ass.

Mailed a bunch of bills once.
Gave the Citi Card payment 8 fucking days to get there.
The payment arrived one day late....Late is late the lady told me.
All the other payments arrived on time,early even.
You would think 8 days would be enough time....
They jacked up my interest rate,charged a late fee....

The Postal System blows for the most part.

Boo hoo, you've had a bad experience. Most businesses rely on the USPS to reliably receive their invoices and deliver their payroll checks... pretty much all without a hitch.

And now you want to dismantle a big bad organization because you think being charged more for the same service is going to be an improvement. Let me tell you, I've had issues with UPS and FedEx too, but that doesn't turn me into a little bitch wanting them to be shut down... because I'm realistic and I know that for the most part they get things right.

If you keep laying down more and more sob stories about the USPS, I'm gonna think you're lying out of your ass just to try and prove a point.

I think you are a partisan hack interested only in protecting union jobs.

 

[mskafka]

What needs to be done is to increase postal rates.

44 cents to pick up a letter at my house and take it to California?

Try asking UPS or Fed Ex to do that!

They aren't allowed to do it by law, you fucking dumbass.

Dumbass, dumbfuck....seriously? I would crap and fall back into it, if you were to post something that wasn't insulting someone else-with the vocabulary of an alcoholic tying one on at the local honky tonk pool hall.

Anger management, man.....anger management seems to be the key. You really seem to have a deep-seated hatred for others; especially those who don't agree with you about something. A revelation for you: You seem to think that everyone else in the world is stupid, but yourself.....they aren't.

 

[thereisnospoon]

No privatizing. Self supported institution that delivers a good ( Not Perfect ) service at a great price. Too many good paying jobs would be vanquished and replaced with jobs that pay less with less benefits. This is another fine example of if it is not broken we must break it. To further understand the lies about the post office why not read the laws that were written to screw the postal workers and put money in the private big money pockets. They are as follows. H.R. 22 and H.R. 1351. Here is the catch. The private company will not have a retirement fund and if they did they would not be required to fund it 75 years in advance as the only company in America is required to, and that is the post office and here is the cherry on top. The government will hold the money for the postal retirement fund now in the general revenue grab bag. It is a scam. A betrayal of all we hold as fair. If you support the cutting of 120.000 to 200,000 good paying jobs and replacing them with minimum wage workers then I just would like to say. You are anti American as this will effect families of all parties and put less revenue into the economy causing more job loss. Come on lets stick together on this at least.

Ya know what? WE DON'T CARE!!!
We just want a company that gives good customer service, does what it is supposed to do under budget and on time.
I don't care who or what it is. Just get the fucking job done correctly.
BTW, the vast majority of letter carriers are private contractors. They use their own vehicles and provide their own insurance.
Who cares if the USPS jobs with benefits disappear. They'd be replaced with people who work for wages and benefits too.
Oh...wait a minute, this is about saving UNION jobs...Yeah, I get it.
Look, workers in the real world are paid based on many factors. The primary factor the employer looks at is "does this worker help my company turn a profit"...If the answer is yes, the worker gets to keep his job and probably will be compensated better than a worker who is not so productive. If the answer is no, the employer takes corrective measures. SO what. That's real world stuff. The way it should be.

 

[mskafka]

No privatizing. Self supported institution that delivers a good ( Not Perfect ) service at a great price. Too many good paying jobs would be vanquished and replaced with jobs that pay less with less benefits. This is another fine example of if it is not broken we must break it. To further understand the lies about the post office why not read the laws that were written to screw the postal workers and put money in the private big money pockets. They are as follows. H.R. 22 and H.R. 1351. Here is the catch. The private company will not have a retirement fund and if they did they would not be required to fund it 75 years in advance as the only company in America is required to, and that is the post office and here is the cherry on top. The government will hold the money for the postal retirement fund now in the general revenue grab bag. It is a scam. A betrayal of all we hold as fair. If you support the cutting of 120.000 to 200,000 good paying jobs and replacing them with minimum wage workers then I just would like to say. You are anti American as this will effect families of all parties and put less revenue into the economy causing more job loss. Come on lets stick together on this at least.

Ya know what? WE DON'T CARE!!!
We just want a company that gives good customer service, does what it is supposed to do under budget and on time.
I don't care who or what it is. Just get the fucking job done correctly.
BTW, the vast majority of letter carriers are private contractors. They use their own vehicles and provide their own insurance.
Who cares if the USPS jobs with benefits disappear. They'd be replaced with people who work for wages and benefits too.
Oh...wait a minute, this is about saving UNION jobs...Yeah, I get it.
Look, workers in the real world are paid based on many factors. The primary factor the employer looks at is "does this worker help my company turn a profit"...If the answer is yes, the worker gets to keep his job and probably will be compensated better than a worker who is not so productive. If the answer is no, the employer takes corrective measures. SO what. That's real world stuff. The way it should be.

I will be the first to agree that the USPS's future looks pretty bleak. We try to use them as often as we can; but the reality is that most business can be handled electronically. Feeling some empathy for the MANY who will lose their jobs and benefits would be appropriate.

Spoon...if I may ask, are you still working, or are you retired? Are you in a job that has no chance of being replaced with someone, or something that is more efficient? I'm just advocating empathy for the many who work in the postal svc. We all have to get used to change. We usually never want it, but it is reality.

 

[FactFinder]

Why "privatizing" our Post Office would be a mistake:

Unless you are actually willing to support your Post Office, privatizing may be it's only means of survival. If you pay bills online, send emails rather than letters. Order shit delivered by UPS, FedEx, etc then you are hammering the nails of the coffin. If that is the way it is so be it, but remember we all are a party to it.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Cheaper in what way? Our tax money isnt subsizing Fed Ex or UPS. If you include the tax money involved, im willing to bet that Fed Ex and UPS are significantly cheaper.

Good point. And if the post office ceased to exist, Fed Ex and UPS would start services for mailing simple letters.

Tax payers foot the bill for the post office, salaries, supplies, etc.

No, they don't.

The USPS would be completely self-sufficient if they weren't required by law to pre-fund 75 years of health benefits for their retirees - a law that applies ONLY to the Post Office.

Oh please stop with the pension nonsense.
Newsflash, the defined benefit pension should be abolished. Each worker should have a portion of their pay withheld and placed into an interest bearing account or better, in US Savings Bonds. The taxpayers should not be funding it. Problem solved.

 

[bripat9643]

Never any guarantees with government and no recourse when they screw you over.

sure there is.....

what recourse is there, vote them out 4 years from now? What if they get reelected anyway? Then where is your recourse?

 

[mskafka]

Why "privatizing" our Post Office would be a mistake:

Unless you are actually willing to support your Post Office, privatizing may be it's only means of survival. If you pay bills online, send emails rather than letters. Order shit delivered by UPS, FedEx, etc then you are hammering the nails of the coffin. If that is the way it is so be it, but remember we all are a party to it.

This is absolutely true.

 

[bripat9643]

Dumbass, dumbfuck....seriously? I would crap and fall back into it, if you were to post something that wasn't insulting someone else-with the vocabulary of an alcoholic tying one on at the local honky tonk pool hall.

Anger management, man.....anger management seems to be the key. You really seem to have a deep-seated hatred for others; especially those who don't agree with you about something. A revelation for you: You seem to think that everyone else in the world is stupid, but yourself.....they aren't.

Nah, I just hate libturds because they are fucking dumbasses and they are fucking up the world. You have to be positively retarded to believe the stuff that libturds believe. Allowing libturds to vote is like putting a graduate from Special Ed at the controls of a 747.

I will never treat libturds with respect because they don't deserve it. Some of them are smart enough to know they are destroying this country, but they don't even care. That's how despicable they are. If there was a button I could push that would vaporize every liberal in the world, I wouldn't hesitate to push it. I would claw my way to it just so I could push it.

Ptuii!

 

[Harry Dresden]

Good point. And if the post office ceased to exist, Fed Ex and UPS would start services for mailing simple letters.

Tax payers foot the bill for the post office, salaries, supplies, etc.

prove this.....

They were just bailed out a few years ago. Does that count?

the PO was?.....show me the link....

 

[mskafka]

Dumbass, dumbfuck....seriously? I would crap and fall back into it, if you were to post something that wasn't insulting someone else-with the vocabulary of an alcoholic tying one on at the local honky tonk pool hall.

Anger management, man.....anger management seems to be the key. You really seem to have a deep-seated hatred for others; especially those who don't agree with you about something. A revelation for you: You seem to think that everyone else in the world is stupid, but yourself.....they aren't.

Nah, I just hate libturds because they are fucking dumbasses and they are fucking up the world.

Not a very convincing answer, my man. People who use crude words do not have the vocabulary to convey what's on their minds.

You have to be positively retarded to believe the stuff that libturds believe. Allowing libturds to vote is like putting a graduate from Special Ed at the controls of a 747.

Interesting analogy. With your vocabulary level, I wonder how you are capable of filling out voter registration. (If this is how you speak everyday.)

I will never treat libturds with respect because they don't deserve it.

Fair enough. Don't expect "libturds" to treat you with respect in turn. If this is how you generally speak to others face-to-face, I would have tuned you out, five minutes into the conversation.

Some of them are smart enough to know they are destroying this country, but they don't even care.

Who are these apathetic people?

That's how despicable they are. If there was a button I could push that would vaporize every liberal in the world, I wouldn't hesitate to push it. I would claw my way to it just so I could push it.

Well, Hitler felt the same way. Perhaps you can plan your own genocide, if you hate others so much. Please sober up before you plan it, though. You don't seem to be thinking clearly at this moment.

Ptuii!

Classy there, bripat.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Ya know what? WE DON'T CARE!!!
We just want a company that gives good customer service, does what it is supposed to do under budget and on time.
I don't care who or what it is. Just get the fucking job done correctly.
BTW, the vast majority of letter carriers are private contractors. They use their own vehicles and provide their own insurance.
Who cares if the USPS jobs with benefits disappear. They'd be replaced with people who work for wages and benefits too.
Oh...wait a minute, this is about saving UNION jobs...Yeah, I get it.
Look, workers in the real world are paid based on many factors. The primary factor the employer looks at is "does this worker help my company turn a profit"...If the answer is yes, the worker gets to keep his job and probably will be compensated better than a worker who is not so productive. If the answer is no, the employer takes corrective measures. SO what. That's real world stuff. The way it should be.

BTW, the vast majority of letter carriers are private contractors. They use their own vehicles and provide their own insurance.

no we are not.....were the hell did you get this bullshit?...........the vast majority are employees of the Postal Service.......and a hell of a lot of Rural Carriers use a postal LLV....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Never any guarantees with government and no recourse when they screw you over.

sure there is.....

what recourse is there, vote them out 4 years from now? What if they get reelected anyway? Then where is your recourse?

are we talking about the Post Office or Politicians?....