Why People Don't Believe In Climate Science

[CrusaderFrank]

Your question illustrates the problem. Believing in something is a religious concept.

^ this

Beat me to it. I responded to Matty's OP

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Read AR5 and tell us it isn't science.

I read it, you didn't

You never explained their "Excess heat" concept and how they arrived at the conclusion that the oceans were retaining 93% of it

Climate "Science" 101: Excess Heat

The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that the oceans are "absorbing" 93% of "excess heat"

"Ocean warming dominates the global energy change inventory. Warming of the ocean accounts for about 93% of the increase in the Earth’s energy inventory between 1971 and 2010 (high confidence), with warming of the upper (0 to 700 m) ocean accounting for about 64% of the total.

It is likely that the ocean warmed between 700 and 2000 m from 1957 to 2009, based on 5-year averages. It is likely that the ocean warmed from 3000 m to the bottom from 1992 to 2005, while no significant trends in global average temperature were observed between 2000 and 3000 m depth during this period. Warming below 3000 m is largest in the Southern Ocean {3.2.4, 3.5.1, Figures 3.2b and 3.3, FAQ 3.1} ...

It is virtually certain that upper ocean (0 to 700 m) heat content increased during the relatively well-sampled 40-year period from 1971 to 2010."

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/WG1AR5_Chapter03_FINAL.pdf

Topic for discussion:

1. What is Excess Heat?
2. Where was this excess heat hiding before being absorbed by the oceans
3. Describe the mechanism by which the ocean absorbs excess heat. The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that this process occurs from the surface all the dow to the bottom of the Laurentian Abyss

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Read AR5 and tell us it isn't science.

I read it, you didn't

You never explained their "Excess heat" concept and how they arrived at the conclusion that the oceans were retaining 93% of it

Climate "Science" 101: Excess Heat

The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that the oceans are "absorbing" 93% of "excess heat"

"Ocean warming dominates the global energy change inventory. Warming of the ocean accounts for about 93% of the increase in the Earth’s energy inventory between 1971 and 2010 (high confidence), with warming of the upper (0 to 700 m) ocean accounting for about 64% of the total.

It is likely that the ocean warmed between 700 and 2000 m from 1957 to 2009, based on 5-year averages. It is likely that the ocean warmed from 3000 m to the bottom from 1992 to 2005, while no significant trends in global average temperature were observed between 2000 and 3000 m depth during this period. Warming below 3000 m is largest in the Southern Ocean {3.2.4, 3.5.1, Figures 3.2b and 3.3, FAQ 3.1} ...

It is virtually certain that upper ocean (0 to 700 m) heat content increased during the relatively well-sampled 40-year period from 1971 to 2010."

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/WG1AR5_Chapter03_FINAL.pdf

Topic for discussion:

1. What is Excess Heat?
2. Where was this excess heat hiding before being absorbed by the oceans
3. Describe the mechanism by which the ocean absorbs excess heat. The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that this process occurs from the surface all the dow to the bottom of the Laurentian Abyss

Here's Crick response inadvertently telling us "Excess heat" is total BS, just a made up concept to make the numbers work. If Bernie Madoff could to this he'd still be a fund manager

"Excess heat is a phrase. It has no official scientific definition in the world of physics or thermodynamics or climate science..."

Climate "Science" 101: Excess Heat

 

[Wyld Kard]

Is that your best argument? Do you, oh master of all science & IQ 158, believe that refutes AGW?

And yet you pretend to be an expert in the so-called science of AGW/CC, but what you really is just another master of regurgitated bullshit.

 

[Crick]

I don't pretend to be anything. If you think its bullshit, refute me.

 

[Crick]

Topic for discussion:

1. What is Excess Heat?
2. Where was this excess heat hiding before being absorbed by the oceans
3. Describe the mechanism by which the ocean absorbs excess heat. The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that this process occurs from the surface all the dow to the bottom of the Laurentian Abyss

Okay Frank, put on your thinking cap and listen up.

1) "Excess heat", as I and others have repeatedly told you, is no specific entitiy in the AGW process. It means nothing more than heat energy that is in excess of some level specified by some context. For instance, if you are making soup on the stove and the pot boils over, you have applied excess heat. If you are adjusting the temperature of your shower and you scald yourself, you have applied excess heat. If the world is at thermal equilibrium and some factor changes moving it away from there, warming could be said to be caused by excess heat. Whatever the fuck significance you think it has, it does not.

2) Nothing was hiding. The oceans have absorbed the vast majority of incoming heat energy since they came into existence. This is due to nothing more than the differences between the specific heat capacities of air and water. This is why they use water, vice air, to put out fires Frank.

3) Heat energy is transferred into the oceans by radiation, conduction and convection. The first is the transfer of heat via photons, the second, conduction, is the transfer of energy via the direct contact of molecules, the third is simply the second enhanced by fluid flow. Examples:
Radiation: the heat you feel on your face sitting in front of a roaring fire
Conduction: the transfer of heat from your stove's electric burner to the pot you've placed on top
Convection: drying your hair with your wife's Conair 10,000 Super Blower Hair Dryer

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Topic for discussion:

1. What is Excess Heat?
2. Where was this excess heat hiding before being absorbed by the oceans
3. Describe the mechanism by which the ocean absorbs excess heat. The IPCC (redistribute wealth by Climate change) alleges that this process occurs from the surface all the dow to the bottom of the Laurentian Abyss

Okay Frank, put on your thinking cap and listen up.

1) "Excess heat", as I and others have repeatedly told you, is no specific entitiy in the AGW process. It means nothing more than heat energy that is in excess of some level specified by some context. For instance, if you are making soup on the stove and the pot boils over, you have applied excess heat. If you are adjusting the temperature of your shower and you scald yourself, you have applied excess heat. If the world is at thermal equilibrium and some factor changes moving it away from there, warming could be said to be caused by excess heat. Whatever the fuck significance you think it has, it does not.

2) Nothing was hiding. The oceans have absorbed the vast majority of incoming heat energy since they came into existence. This is due to nothing more than the differences between the specific heat capacities of air and water. This is why they use water, vice air, to put out fires Frank.

3) Heat energy is transferred into the oceans by radiation, conduction and convection. The first is the transfer of heat via photons, the second, conduction, is the transfer of energy via the direct contact of molecules, the third is simply the second enhanced by fluid flow. Examples:
Radiation: the heat you feel on your face sitting in front of a roaring fire
Conduction: the transfer of heat from your stove's electric burner to the pot you've placed on top
Convection: drying your hair with your wife's Conair 10,000 Super Blower Hair Dryer

If excess heat is not a "Scientific entity" what is it doing in IPCC. That must mean that IPCC does not report actual science, correct?

You're on record stating that it takes 4,700 times the energy to heat water than to heat the atmosphere, do you stand by that contention? If so, how is it possible for the ocean to absorb that much "excess" heating? How can life on Earth even tolerate the "Excess heat" that must reside in the atmosphere before its magical transference to the deep oceans?

 

[jc456]

Read AR5 and tell us it isn't science.

already told you in a different set of threads it wasn't. Post something from it that is based on science.

 

[Crick]

Then I think you need to tell us what you believe to BE science. Because I can tell you that the world's scientists certainly believe the IPCC's assessment reports to qualify. Whose advising you otherwise? God? Glen Beck? Karl Rove? Senator Inhofe? Mark Steyn? Who?