Why Obama's connection to Wright is troubling

[jreeves]

so it's racist of Obama to feel like by "advertising" his mother's race he was someone trying to "sell himself to whites"?



okay....

you see racists comments BECAUSE that's what you WANT to see, not because that is what he meant.

You have no idea what kind of struggles he went through as a bi-racial young man (before it was common) struggling to find himself and where he belonged in this world.

and WHY have you read his book if you have no use for him? Do you waste a lot of time reading the books of people you have no respect for? That seems like such a waste of energy and time on your part. But then, when you are fuels by hate and have nothing else to hold onto...that's what gets you through every day.

Don't have such a shallow definition of advertise....
advertising definition |Dictionary.com
ad·ver·tise-to call attention to, in a boastful or ostentatious manner: Stop advertising yourself!

I see what is right in front of my nose, just because you fail to see it isn't my fault....

 

[WillowTree]

you one of those people who round robbins aren't you? you say something and then say something else and then act all confused when someone calls you out on the things you've said.

I put the quote into context for you willow. if you can read that quote and still see a racist comment then my opinion that you're a disingenuous fuck holds true.

here are some other made up quotes from Obama's book that apparently paint him as a racist:

These went out in an email and were debunked by factcheck.org



let the debunking begin:



Misleading e-mail: From Dreams of My Father : "I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."

Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father": Nothing like this quote appears in Obama's books.



Misleading e-mail: From Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Actual quote from "The Audacity of Hope" [pg. 261]: Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.



Misleading e-mail: From Dreams of My Father: "I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela."

Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father" [pg. 220]: Yes, I'd seen weakness in other men - Gramps and his disappointments, Lolo and his compromise. But these men had become object lessons for me, men I might love but never emulate, white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela. And if later I saw that the black men I knew - Frank or Ray or Will or Rafiq - fell short of such lofty standards; if I had learned to respect these men for the struggles they went through, recognizing them as my own - my father's voice had nevertheless remained untainted, inspiring, rebuking, granting or withholding approval. You do not work hard enough, Barry. You must help in your people's struggle. Wake up, black man!



Misleading e-mail: From Dreams of My Father: "There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."

Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father" [pgs. 141-142]: Now he was trying to pull urban blacks and suburban whites together around a plan to save manufacturing jobs in metropolitan Chicago. He needed somebody to work with him, he said. Somebody black. ...

He offered to start me off at ten thousand dollars the first year, with a two-thousand-dollar travel allowance to buy a car; the salary would go up if things worked out. After he was gone, I took the long way home, along the East River promenade, and tried to figure out what to make of the man. He was smart, I decided. He seemed committed to his work. Still, there was something about him that made me wary. A little too sure of himself, maybe. And white - he'd said himself that that was a problem.



this is the quote from jreeves:

Misleading e-mail: From Dreams of My Father: "I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father" [pg. xv]: When people who don't know me well, black or white, discover my background (and it is usually a discovery, for I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of twelve or thirteen, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites), I see the split-second adjustments they have to make, the searching of my eyes for some telltale sign. They no longer know who I am. Privately, they guess at my troubled heart, I suppose - the mixed blood, the divided soul, the ghostly image of the tragic mulatto trapped between two worlds. And if I were to explain that no, the tragedy is not mine, or at least not mine alone, it is yours, sons and daughters of Plymouth Rock and Ellis Island, it is yours, children of Africa, it is the tragedy of both my wife's six-year-old cousin and his white first grade classmates, so that you need not guess at what troubles me, it's on the nightly news for all to see, and that if we could acknowledge at least that much then the tragic cycle begins to break down...well, I suspect that I sound incurably naive, wedded to lost hopes, like those Communists who peddle their newspapers on the fringes of various college towns. Or worse, I sound like I'm trying to hide from myself.



Misleading e-mail: From Dreams of My Father : ; "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father" [pg. 100-101]: To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. At night, in the dorms, we discussed necolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism, and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling constraints. We weren't indifferent or careless or insecure. We were alienated. But this strategy alone couldn't provide the distance I wanted, from Joyce or my past. After all, there were thousands of so-called campus radicals, most of them white and tenured and happily tolerated. No, it remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.




* these were quoted and provided for those who refuse to follow links and/or acknowledge that people like jreeves lie as easily as they breath and providing a "quote" and a page number doesn't mean shit when you can take things our of context or make them up as you please!

you have no idea how many people are getting a chuckle out of your idiocy.





Kerry on!

 

[jreeves]

you one of those people who round robbins aren't you? you say something and then say something else and then act all confused when someone calls you out on the things you've said.

I put the quote into context for you willow. if you can read that quote and still see a racist comment then my opinion that you're a disingenuous fuck holds true.

here are some other made up quotes from Obama's book that apparently paint him as a racist:

These went out in an email and were debunked by factcheck.org



let the debunking begin:



Misleading e-mail: From Dreams of My Father : "I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."

Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father": Nothing like this quote appears in Obama's books.



Misleading e-mail: From Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Actual quote from "The Audacity of Hope" [pg. 261]: Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.



Misleading e-mail: From Dreams of My Father: "I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela."

Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father" [pg. 220]: Yes, I'd seen weakness in other men - Gramps and his disappointments, Lolo and his compromise. But these men had become object lessons for me, men I might love but never emulate, white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela. And if later I saw that the black men I knew - Frank or Ray or Will or Rafiq - fell short of such lofty standards; if I had learned to respect these men for the struggles they went through, recognizing them as my own - my father's voice had nevertheless remained untainted, inspiring, rebuking, granting or withholding approval. You do not work hard enough, Barry. You must help in your people's struggle. Wake up, black man!



Misleading e-mail: From Dreams of My Father: "There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."

Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father" [pgs. 141-142]: Now he was trying to pull urban blacks and suburban whites together around a plan to save manufacturing jobs in metropolitan Chicago. He needed somebody to work with him, he said. Somebody black. ...

He offered to start me off at ten thousand dollars the first year, with a two-thousand-dollar travel allowance to buy a car; the salary would go up if things worked out. After he was gone, I took the long way home, along the East River promenade, and tried to figure out what to make of the man. He was smart, I decided. He seemed committed to his work. Still, there was something about him that made me wary. A little too sure of himself, maybe. And white - he'd said himself that that was a problem.



this is the quote from jreeves:

Misleading e-mail: From Dreams of My Father: "I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father" [pg. xv]: When people who don't know me well, black or white, discover my background (and it is usually a discovery, for I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of twelve or thirteen, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites), I see the split-second adjustments they have to make, the searching of my eyes for some telltale sign. They no longer know who I am. Privately, they guess at my troubled heart, I suppose - the mixed blood, the divided soul, the ghostly image of the tragic mulatto trapped between two worlds. And if I were to explain that no, the tragedy is not mine, or at least not mine alone, it is yours, sons and daughters of Plymouth Rock and Ellis Island, it is yours, children of Africa, it is the tragedy of both my wife's six-year-old cousin and his white first grade classmates, so that you need not guess at what troubles me, it's on the nightly news for all to see, and that if we could acknowledge at least that much then the tragic cycle begins to break down...well, I suspect that I sound incurably naive, wedded to lost hopes, like those Communists who peddle their newspapers on the fringes of various college towns. Or worse, I sound like I'm trying to hide from myself.



Misleading e-mail: From Dreams of My Father : ; "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father" [pg. 100-101]: To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. At night, in the dorms, we discussed necolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism, and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling constraints. We weren't indifferent or careless or insecure. We were alienated. But this strategy alone couldn't provide the distance I wanted, from Joyce or my past. After all, there were thousands of so-called campus radicals, most of them white and tenured and happily tolerated. No, it remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.




* these were quoted and provided for those who refuse to follow links and/or acknowledge that people like jreeves lie as easily as they breath and providing a "quote" and a page number doesn't mean shit when you can take things our of context or make them up as you please!

Where is your link?

 

[WillowTree]

Where is your link?

she didn't listen to the tape, she just went and copied and pasted. Too funny.


As Huckabee says all you need to know about Obama is in three A's

Ayers
Alinsky
ACORN

 

[jreeves]

Where is your link?

Silence I am still waiting for a link to your 'Factcheck.org material'? Anyway this article should shed some light on his comments.....

I suppose this was a right wing smear campaign too?
I have read the book, anyone who is going to vote for Obama should read the book for themselves, 'Dreams from my Father'. Make your own conclusions. In my opinion, the man is a racist, nothing in the book provides context for these inflammatory comments.
?Trapped between two worlds? - Examiner.com

Sen. Barack Obama, the only major black candidate in the 2008 presidential race, has spent much of his life anguishing over his mixed-race heritage and self-described “racial obsessions.”

Descended from a white American mother and black Kenyan father, the Illinois Democrat once wrote: “He was black as pitch, my mother white as milk.”

In his first memoir, “Dreams from My Father,” Obama observed that when people discover his mixed-race heritage, they make assumptions about “the mixed blood, the divided soul, the ghostly image of the tragic mulatto trapped between two worlds.”

Indeed, Obama acknowledges feeling tormented for much of his life by “the constant, crippling fear that I didn't belong somehow, that unless I dodged and hid and pretended to be something I wasn't, I would forever remain an outsider, with the rest of the world, black and white, always standing in judgment.”

Obama's views on race are certain to be an issue in the upcoming presidential campaign, according to Princeton University professor Melissa Harris-Lacewell, who specializes in African-American politics.

“There’s no question that race and all the permutations that it’s going to take for Obama are going to be central issues,” she predicted.

Although Obama was raised by his mother, he identified more closely with the race of his father, who left the family when Obama was 2.

“I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites,” he wrote.
Yet, even through high school, he continued to vacillate between the twin strands of his racial identity.

“I learned to slip back and forth between my black and white worlds,” he wrote in “Dreams.” “One of those tricks I had learned: People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves. They were more than satisfied; they were relieved — such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn't seem angry all the time.”

Although Obama spent various portions of his youth living with his white maternal grandfather and Indonesian stepfather, he vowed that he would “never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.”

Obama wrote that in high school, he and a black friend would sometimes speak disparagingly “about white folks this or white folks that, and I would suddenly remember my mother's smile, and the words that I spoke would seem awkward and false.”

As a result, he concluded that “certain whites could be excluded from the general category of our distrust.”

Donna Brazile, who managed former Vice President Al Gore’s presidential campaign in 2000, said Obama's feelings of distrust toward most whites and doubts about himself are fairly typical for black Americans.

“He was a young man trying to discover, trying to accept, trying to come to grips with his background,” she explained. “In the process, he had to really make some statements that are hurtful, maybe. But I think they're more insightful than anything.”

During college, Obama disapproved of what he called other “half-breeds” who gravitated toward whites instead of blacks. And yet after college, he once fell in love with a white woman, only to push her away when he concluded he would have to assimilate into her world, not the other way around. He later married a black woman.

Such candid racial revelations abound in “Dreams,” which was first published in 1995, when Obama was 34 and not yet in politics. By the time he ran for his Senate seat in 2004, he observed of that first memoir: “Certain passages have proven to be inconvenient politically.”

Thus, in his second memoir, “The Audacity of Hope,” which was published last year, Obama adopted a more conciliatory, even upbeat tone when discussing race. Noting his multiracial family, he wrote in the new book: “I’ve never had the option of restricting my loyalties on the basis of race, or measuring my worth on the basis of tribe.”
This appears to contradict certain passages in his first memoir, including a description of black student life at Occidental College in Los Angeles.

“There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.”

He added: “To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.”

Obama said he and other blacks were careful not to second-guess their own racial identity in front of whites.

“To admit our doubt and confusion to whites, to open up our psyches to general examination by those who had caused so much of the damage in the first place, seemed ludicrous, itself an expression of self-hatred,” he wrote.After his sophomore year, Obama transferred to Columbia University. Later, looking back on his years in New York City, he recalled: “I had grown accustomed, everywhere, to suspicions between the races.”

His pessimism about race relations seemed to pervade his worldview.

“The emotion between the races could never be pure,” he laments in “Dreams.” “Even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart.”

After graduating from college, Obama eventually went to Chicago to interview for a job as a community organizer. His racial attitudes came into play as he sized up the man who would become his boss.

“There was something about him that made me wary,” Obama wrote. “A little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.”

Harris-Lacewell said such expressions of distrust toward whites will not hurt Obama in the Democratic presidential primaries, which are dominated by liberal voters.

“To win the Democratic nomination, he's got to get a part of the progressive, anti-war, white folks,” she said. “And those white folks tend to be suspicious of any black person who wouldn’t be suspicious of white people.”

Such liberals would have little basis for suspicion after reading some of Obama’s conclusions about the white race, which he once described as “that ghostly figure that haunted black dreams.”
“That hate hadn't gone away,” he wrote, blaming “white people — some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.”

Obama’s racial suspicions were not always limited to whites. For example, after making his first visit to Kenya, he wrote of being disappointed to learn that his paternal grandfather had been a servant to rich whites.

He wrote in “Dreams” that the revelation caused “ugly words to flash across my mind. Uncle Tom. Collaborator. House ******.”

Such blunt and provocative observations about race are largely absent from Obama’s second memoir.

“I have witnessed a profound shift in race relations in my lifetime,” he wrote in “Audacity.” “I insist that things have gotten better.”

An adolescent confrontation

Barack Obama recalls punching out the “first boy” who “called me a coon” in seventh grade.

“I gave him a bloody nose,” Obama wrote in his first memoir, “Dreams from My Father.”

“Why’dya do that?” the boy said through “tears of surprise,” according to Obama.

It was not the first time young Obama would be subjected to racial slurs. He recalled an assistant basketball coach in high school referring to a group of black men as “*******.”

“I told him — with a fury that surprised even me — to shut up,” Obama wrote.

“There are black people, and there are *******,” the coach explained, according to Obama. “Those guys were *******.”

Obama answered with contempt.

“'There are white folks and then there are ignorant motherf---ers like you,’ I had finally told the coach before walking off the court,” he wrote.

 

[jillian]

And?

 

[Silence]

Where is your link?

two pages back asswipe.. it's called factcheck.org

and willow, trust me you are the only person who looks like an idiot for taking things out of context and attempting to apply meaning that isn't there. It's typical tactics of someone who has nothing but dishonesty and low ball scams to rely on.

I don't listen to books on tape willow... I know how to read...

too bad you'd rather listen to what is probably a doctored or edited clip from a book on tape than take the quote in its entirety and see what he really said.

you and jreeves are both pathetic fucks.

but keep going... McCain has all but destroyed his honor and character with his classless negative campaigning...his minons only serve to bring him down further...

 

[WillowTree]

two pages back asswipe.. it's called factcheck.org

and willow, trust me you are the only person who looks like an idiot for taking things out of context and attempting to apply meaning that isn't there. It's typical tactics of someone who has nothing but dishonesty and low ball scams to rely on.

I listened to the tape asswipe.. It is in his own words..

 

[jreeves]

two pages back asswipe.. it's called factcheck.org

and willow, trust me you are the only person who looks like an idiot for taking things out of context and attempting to apply meaning that isn't there. It's typical tactics of someone who has nothing but dishonesty and low ball scams to rely on.

I don't listen to books on tape willow... I know how to read...

too bad you'd rather listen to what is probably a doctored or edited clip from a book on tape than take the quote in its entirety and see what he really said.

you and jreeves are both pathetic fucks.

but keep going... McCain has all but destroyed his honor and character with his classless negative campaigning...his minons only serve to bring him down further...

I guess you have nothing to say to the article that clearly quotes the book? Of course some of those quotes in the link you posted are incorrect. I posted an article from the examiner, what do you say?

 

[Silence]

I listened to the tape asswipe.. It is in his own words..

where did you get the tape? did you buy his book on tape? or did you get the clip from a website? if you got it from a website, care to share the link?

and did he say the entire quote as written in the book? if so, then you clearly have a comprehension problem as it is obvious what he is saying has nothing to do with being a racist.

 

[WillowTree]

where did you get the tape? did you buy his book on tape? or did you get the clip from a website? if you got it from a website, care to share the link?

and did he say the entire quote as written in the book? if so, then you clearly have a comprehension problem as it is obvious what he is saying has nothing to do with being a racist.

hey asswipe. The link is at the beginning of this thread.. jesus fuck

 

[jreeves]

where did you get the tape? did you buy his book on tape? or did you get the clip from a website? if you got it from a website, care to share the link?

and did he say the entire quote as written in the book? if so, then you clearly have a comprehension problem as it is obvious what he is saying has nothing to do with being a racist.

That is not what the examiner article states....

Obama's views on race are certain to be an issue in the upcoming presidential campaign, according to Princeton University professor Melissa Harris-Lacewell, who specializes in African-American politics.
Omg...how much more of a non-partisan source do you need?

 

[Silence]

That is not what the examiner article states....

Obama's views on race are certain to be an issue in the upcoming presidential campaign, according to Princeton University professor Melissa Harris-Lacewell, who specializes in African-American politics.
Omg...how much more of a non-partisan source do you need?

but apparently they aren't... given his lead in the polls with less than 30 days to go before the election

I think ya'll wish there was more to this story than there is... keep trying...I'm sure you and the five idiots on this board who believe this shit can make a difference....

btw...factcheck.org is the most reputable source for disputing bullshit claims.. no bullshit link or story you might've provided will carry more weight than factcheck.org. sorry... no dice

 

[Silence]

YouTube - SHOCKING Obama words: what he really thinks of white folks

I wonder why the media passes over his book.....

snips taken out of context to generate a result.

It's bullshit parlor tricks.

 

[WillowTree]

snips taken out of context to generate a result.

It's bullshit parlor tricks.

then for the third time put it in context. If you know.

 

[Silence]

then for the third time put it in context. If you know.

tell me the quote you want in context. I gave you the context of the original quote provided by Jreeves.

if you have another one you want clarified you'll have to be more specific.

but I think you know it's out of context but you don't give two fucks about that.

 

[jreeves]

but apparently they aren't... given his lead in the polls with less than 30 days to go before the election

I think ya'll wish there was more to this story than there is... keep trying...I'm sure you and the five idiots on this board who believe this shit can make a difference....

btw...factcheck.org is the most reputable source for disputing bullshit claims.. no bullshit link or story you might've provided will carry more weight than factcheck.org. sorry... no dice

Your factcheck.org material has to do with emails that were being sent out.
1. With the title 'Dreams of my Father'
2. With things unrelated to the quotes that the article cites

It is no suprise on my part the media has totally given Obama a pass on his racist comments.

 

[jreeves]

tell me the quote you want in context. I gave you the context of the original quote provided by Jreeves.

if you have another one you want clarified you'll have to be more specific.

but I think you know it's out of context but you don't give two fucks about that.

I tell you what let's start with all the quotes cited in the Examiner article. Of course we both know that you can't clarify them cause a expert in African American politics said they would be a problem. The only problem with that assumption by that expert is that the media would be unbiased.....

 

[Silence]

Your factcheck.org material has to do with emails that were being sent out.
1. With the title 'Dreams of my Father'
2. With things unrelated to the quotes that the article cites

It is no suprise on my part the media has totally given Obama a pass on his racist comments.

The quote you cited seems to have come directly FROM that email jreeves...do you deny that?

you're pretending to be unaware that what you're doing is taking quotes out of context when we ALL know that's exactly what you've done. Even the youtube you provided is nothing more than quotes taken out of context to garner the result you want. stop playing fast and loose with the truth jreeves. If you believe in what you're saying you don't need to LIE about it...the truth should be there without tricks and slight of hand editing.

 

[jreeves]

The quote you cited seems to have come directly FROM that email jreeves...do you deny that?

you're pretending to be unaware that what you're doing is taking quotes out of context when we ALL know that's exactly what you've done. Even the youtube you provided is nothing more than quotes taken out of context to garner the result you want. stop playing fast and loose with the truth jreeves. If you believe in what you're saying you don't need to LIE about it...the truth should be there without tricks and slight of hand editing.

Yes I do, the quotes I cited came directly from the book, 'Dreams from my Father'.

Either debunk the Examiner article based on it's merits or STFU?