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I find it amusing when those who post left, talk left, agree with the left insist they are not liberal or progressive.That is a blatantly racist point of view. You just threw out the well worn generalization that non-whites vote in lock step and always vote democrat.
You should ask you fellow libs why they oppose the EC.
1) NOt a lib.
2) Hispanics tend to vote Democratic. Sorry, the GOP has not gotten a majority of this voting block in any election as long as they've been keeping records.
Now the GOP could do the breathetakingly rational thing and try to work this group, instead of letting the MInutemen, Nativists and that asshole Tancredo dominate the discussion... but they won't.
The popular election of senators still meets the needs of the overwhelming numbers of Americans, and far rightist are dead wrong wanting to change it. They can't.
Bullshit.
James Madison Federalist No. 62:
"If indeed it be right, that among a people thoroughly incorporated into one nation, every district ought to have a PROPORTIONAL share in the government, and that among independent and sovereign States, bound together by a simple league, the parties, however unequal in size, ought to have an EQUAL share in the common councils, it does not appear to be without some reason that in a compound republic, partaking both of the national and federal character, the government ought to be founded on a mixture of the principles of proportional and equal representation In this spirit it may be remarked, that the equal vote allowed to each State is at once a constitutional recognition of the portion of sovereignty remaining in the individual States, and an instrument for preserving that residuary sovereignty. So far the equality ought to be no less acceptable to the large than to the small States; since they are not less solicitous to guard, by every possible expedient, against an improper consolidation of the States into one simple republic."
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1) NOt a lib.
2) Hispanics tend to vote Democratic. Sorry, the GOP has not gotten a majority of this voting block in any election as long as they've been keeping records.
Now the GOP could do the breathetakingly rational thing and try to work this group, instead of letting the MInutemen, Nativists and that asshole Tancredo dominate the discussion... but they won't.
How would Republicans "work" Hispanics, promise to open the flood gates to illegal immigration? Promise them bigger welfare checks?
The fact that you advise Republicans to "work" a minority group is instructive. It shows the Democrat mentality about these groups. They are pigeons to be "worked" rather than people who have goals and principles.
The popular election of senators still meets the needs of the overwhelming numbers of Americans, and far rightist are dead wrong wanting to change it. They can't.
Bullshit.
James Madison Federalist No. 62:
"If indeed it be right, that among a people thoroughly incorporated into one nation, every district ought to have a PROPORTIONAL share in the government, and that among independent and sovereign States, bound together by a simple league, the parties, however unequal in size, ought to have an EQUAL share in the common councils, it does not appear to be without some reason that in a compound republic, partaking both of the national and federal character, the government ought to be founded on a mixture of the principles of proportional and equal representation In this spirit it may be remarked, that the equal vote allowed to each State is at once a constitutional recognition of the portion of sovereignty remaining in the individual States, and an instrument for preserving that residuary sovereignty. So far the equality ought to be no less acceptable to the large than to the small States; since they are not less solicitous to guard, by every possible expedient, against an improper consolidation of the States into one simple republic."
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Contumacious misunderstands Madison's words, which are discussing the proportionality of state sovereignty in terms of the number of its votes, NOT whether the state senate should elect the Senators.
You don't agree with...Let's stop right there. Because you do not agree, you declare an Obama win?
You insist Jeb Bush cheated. HUH? Tests were done on those dimpled chad voting card machines and the only way the result could be duplicated was to have at least three cards shoved into the machine. Also, the DNC went to court to block all absentee ballots from overseas military. Anyway the Gore Lieberman campaign wanted the issue to go to court. They lost. Lastly, the voting precincts involved in the controversy were ALL DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED.
Florida residents are very pissed off that their homes are worth at least 1/3rd less than they were 4 years ago. They are going to look for someone to blame.
Virginia Indiana Ohio Wisconsin....All replaced democrat governors with republicans. Also, Wisconsin, Indiana and North Carolina ( went with Obama in 2008) have majority GOP legislatures.
I give NV to The dems. Harry Reid is still there.
History shows that in periods with poor economies, the incumbent president does not pick up states. There are losses. This economy still sucks. Home sales are the drag. Until the federal government gets out of the housing business and allow the market to bottom out, that will not change. All these programs and offers from the government to help people with troubled mortgages are going to place a further drag on the economy. They will only prolong the inevitable. That is foreclosure or a short sale.
Oh, let us not forget the biggest elephant of all in the room. Four Dollar gasoline.
Bullshit.
James Madison Federalist No. 62:
"If indeed it be right, that among a people thoroughly incorporated into one nation, every district ought to have a PROPORTIONAL share in the government, and that among independent and sovereign States, bound together by a simple league, the parties, however unequal in size, ought to have an EQUAL share in the common councils, it does not appear to be without some reason that in a compound republic, partaking both of the national and federal character, the government ought to be founded on a mixture of the principles of proportional and equal representation In this spirit it may be remarked, that the equal vote allowed to each State is at once a constitutional recognition of the portion of sovereignty remaining in the individual States, and an instrument for preserving that residuary sovereignty. So far the equality ought to be no less acceptable to the large than to the small States; since they are not less solicitous to guard, by every possible expedient, against an improper consolidation of the States into one simple republic."
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Contumacious misunderstands Madison's words, which are discussing the proportionality of state sovereignty in terms of the number of its votes, NOT whether the state senate should elect the Senators.
? Whether or not states should elect senators was clear when the constitution was written. The founders agreed that state legislators will elect senators. End of story. Later we changed that. Was that the correct decision? I don't really know. Watching politics today makes me think we might be better off if one part of Congress was further from fickle voters but it really is a moot point. It was changes and there is a snowballs chance in Satan's ass that it will ever change back.
Contumacious misunderstands Madison's words, which are discussing the proportionality of state sovereignty in terms of the number of its votes, NOT whether the state senate should elect the Senators.
? Whether or not states should elect senators was clear when the constitution was written. The founders agreed that state legislators will elect senators. End of story. Later we changed that. Was that the correct decision? I don't really know. Watching politics today makes me think we might be better off if one part of Congress was further from fickle voters but it really is a moot point. It was changes and there is a snowballs chance in Satan's ass that it will ever change back.
Certainly not the end of story because that is not what Contumacious was arguing.
Yes, the 17th will remain in place.
Good Democrats.What do the "progressives" call those Americans who vote according to how much largesse will be extended to them?
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I note you can't prove me wrong, but then again I don't expect you to...
You don't agree with...Let's stop right there. Because you do not agree, you declare an Obama win?
Nope. I think their analysis if flawed. Wisconsin hasn't gone Democratic in a presidential election since 1984. It won't this time. PA hasn't since 1988.
You insist Jeb Bush cheated. HUH? Tests were done on those dimpled chad voting card machines and the only way the result could be duplicated was to have at least three cards shoved into the machine. Also, the DNC went to court to block all absentee ballots from overseas military. Anyway the Gore Lieberman campaign wanted the issue to go to court. They lost. Lastly, the voting precincts involved in the controversy were ALL DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED.
Blah, blah, blah. Jeb Cheated. Deal with it. if there was a 100% recanvas of all the votes, if Jeb hadn't purged the voting roles, Gore would have won Florida. The fact a court stacked with Republicans found in Bush's favor just means the court was stacked.
Now, nothing against Bush, I thought he was a much better president than most people give him credit for. I think he's a better president than Obama. But he was the result of a flawed process.
But that bubble burst on Bush's watch, not Obama's. Also, the GOP Governor is massively unpopular. Final note- GOP turnout in Florida's primary was WAAAAAAAY down from 2008. No thrill for these candidates.
Virginia Indiana Ohio Wisconsin....All replaced democrat governors with republicans. Also, Wisconsin, Indiana and North Carolina ( went with Obama in 2008) have majority GOP legislatures.
All sort of meaningless. Kasich got slapped down by the voters on the union issue, Walker is probably going to get recalled. NC and IN might go back into the GOP Column, but Obama can probalby win without them. But if you have Romney as the nominee, all the Evangelicals in those states will probalby not be so keen to show up. I might also put Missouri in play if Romney is the nominee.
I give NV to The dems. Harry Reid is still there.
History shows that in periods with poor economies, the incumbent president does not pick up states. There are losses. This economy still sucks. Home sales are the drag. Until the federal government gets out of the housing business and allow the market to bottom out, that will not change. All these programs and offers from the government to help people with troubled mortgages are going to place a further drag on the economy. They will only prolong the inevitable. That is foreclosure or a short sale.
Oh, let us not forget the biggest elephant of all in the room. Four Dollar gasoline.
If you really think the Republicans are going to win on "We need for the your house to "bottom out" and you to lose even more money so the assholes can get richer", then you are kind of on the wrong side of history.
History shows that presidents do get re-elected when economies are on the mend, and this one is. The Dow is close to 13,000, unemployment is at the lowest level of Obama's term. But most important reason why Obama will win.
All the Republicans suck.
It is not a question of "worth". The issue is representation. Each state MUST have representation in the electoral process. Therefore each state that has one House Rep gets one electoral vote plus one each for US Senate seats.
I do not understand where the problem is.
Theoretically a presidential candidate could win a majority of the States but lose the electoral AND popular vote.
A straight popular vote would never work.
I love how Fools who don't like facts insist everyone who points them out is a lib.
Hispanics went for Obama by 69-31 last time. They went for Kerry 55-45 before that, after Bush bent over backwards to pander to them. It's a consitnuency the GOP is doing a very good job of alienating.
Facts aren't liberal or conservative. They are facts.
I love how Fools who don't like facts insist everyone who points them out is a lib.
Comrade Joe, why do you assume people so stupid that they won't recognize you for what you are?
Hispanics went for Obama by 69-31 last time. They went for Kerry 55-45 before that, after Bush bent over backwards to pander to them. It's a consitnuency the GOP is doing a very good job of alienating.
Facts aren't liberal or conservative. They are facts.
Illegals vote democrat, which is why you want more illegals.
illegals don't vote, idiota
How would Republicans "work" Hispanics, promise to open the flood gates to illegal immigration? Promise them bigger welfare checks?
The fact that you advise Republicans to "work" a minority group is instructive. It shows the Democrat mentality about these groups. They are pigeons to be "worked" rather than people who have goals and principles.
Hey, here's a good place to start.
Stop being hypocrites on the illegal alien issue.
Republicans like to bash the illegal, but the reality is, they want illegal labor. They want working folks to be just scared enough to put up with any abuse the wealthy impose on them.
You could solve the illegal problem in a heartbeat. Go after the rich assholes who hire them. Round up all the nannies at the playground, then when their parents come to pick up the kids, charge them with illegally hiring undocumented workers. Raid a factory, hit the employers up with huge fines.
Fact is, democracy IS about working groups. What's in it for me. You dont think these rich assholes give huge amounts of money to BOTH parties out of a sense of civic pride, do you? Nope. They are buying policy.
BUt we have the votes. Votes trump money.
recently Romney blasted Obama for passing the health care bill with conflcts with some policies of the Catholic church.
today the White House released a press statement saying that Romney passed the same thing in Massachusetts
Illegals vote democrat, which is why you want more illegals.
illegals don't vote, idiota
Yes they do, dingbat.
