Why Land of the Free is so conflicted on health care..

[AmericasBrave58]

Why the Land of the Free Is So Conflicted About Health Care -- Politics Daily


Hell!!! these days the words Land of the Free, is not as free to Americans as it once was. You pay now a very heavy price.Sure Freedom is not free, but now you just about have to sell the shirt off your back, just to survive, now days, and that's no lie.

 

[kyzr]

I'm not conflicted. I want to get what I pay for, and I want others to pay for what they get/want. I don't want to pay for someone to get free healthcare. Simple enough?

 

[potter 58]

krzr- like it or not you already and by way more than any other industrialized nation for inferior care

 

[Harry Dresden]

krzr- like it or not you already and by way more than any other industrialized nation for inferior care

.....inferior care?.....where in the hell is your doc located?.....

 

[potter 58]

where do we rank in the world vs per captia spent, not at the top ,not even fucking close, unless you are independently wealthy, then you can buy what ever service you want

 

[Toronado3800]

I'm not conflicted. I want to get what I pay for, and I want others to pay for what they get/want. I don't want to pay for someone to get free healthcare. Simple enough?

This current socialized system we have has to really upset you then.

I'm entirely willing to "get what I can afford" but question the stomach of Americans for hospitals turning away the sick. Now this isn't just the poor homeless sick getting turned away. This is the Middle Class who need chemo but are between jobs. U willing to see them middle class folks dying on the streets or in homeless shelters?

 

[blu]

I'm entirely willing to "get what I can afford" but question the stomach of Americans for hospitals turning away the sick. Now this isn't just the poor homeless sick getting turned away. This is the Middle Class who need chemo but are between jobs. U willing to see them middle class folks dying on the streets or in homeless shelters?

isn't that the gop mantra? 100million retirement bonuses to CEOs of ins companies that cut off clients and deny them treatment after years of paying premiums? those people dying are just fulfilling capitalism in their broken minds.

 

[Toronado3800]

To illustrate, compare the U.K. tax structure with the one in the U.S. For example, a family making $60,000 in the U.K. faces a 20 percent rate, while the American family faces a 15 percent tax rate. (There are other differences in the systems concerning personal allowances, etc., but those are not relevant for this discussion.) British tax authorities report that those making more than 1 million pounds, or about $1.6 million, pay an average tax rate of 35.7 percent. By comparison, the IRS reports that Americans making more than $1 million pay just a 15.9 percent average tax rate. (The figures are from 2008 for the U.K. and 2006 for the United States.)

Wow, my family pays a 15% tax rate and so do NFL stars earning a million a year? This isn't right is it?

 

[Chris]

I'm not conflicted. I want to get what I pay for, and I want others to pay for what they get/want. I don't want to pay for someone to get free healthcare. Simple enough?

No, it is not that simple.

We don't let people bleed to death on the street here.

Not yet anyway.

 

[Chris]

I'm entirely willing to "get what I can afford" but question the stomach of Americans for hospitals turning away the sick. Now this isn't just the poor homeless sick getting turned away. This is the Middle Class who need chemo but are between jobs. U willing to see them middle class folks dying on the streets or in homeless shelters?

isn't that the gop mantra? 100million retirement bonuses to CEOs of ins companies that cut off clients and deny them treatment after years of paying premiums? those people dying are just fulfilling capitalism in their broken minds.

Modern day conservatism is the political codification of selfishness.

 

[Screaming Eagle]

Health care would be much more affordable if we'd had socialist care for the last hundred years. Just imagine the savings if things like cardiac and cancer care didn't exist!

 

[Screaming Eagle]

To illustrate, compare the U.K. tax structure with the one in the U.S. For example, a family making $60,000 in the U.K. faces a 20 percent rate, while the American family faces a 15 percent tax rate. (There are other differences in the systems concerning personal allowances, etc., but those are not relevant for this discussion.) British tax authorities report that those making more than 1 million pounds, or about $1.6 million, pay an average tax rate of 35.7 percent. By comparison, the IRS reports that Americans making more than $1 million pay just a 15.9 percent average tax rate. (The figures are from 2008 for the U.K. and 2006 for the United States.)

Wow, my family pays a 15% tax rate and so do NFL stars earning a million a year? This isn't right is it?

Statistics are statistically the most common way to impart a false impression. Every single figure in that needs to be broken down. Tax figures are so fucked that no comparisons can be drawn.

Oh, and most of the people making over $1 million a year don't get that on a salaried check. It's business revenue and is really complicated.

 

[Toronado3800]

You are equating universal healthcare with a lack of capitalist rewards for individuals experimenting in medical treatments?

 

[California Girl]

Are we conflicted about healthcare? Or are we conflicted about this unconstitutional bill?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You are equating universal healthcare with a lack of capitalist rewards for individuals experimenting in medical treatments?

With out the profits to be had for innovation and new meds there would be no rush of new innovations or new meds. Pretty simple concept even a child could grasp.

 

[MajikMyst]

krzr- like it or not you already and by way more than any other industrialized nation for inferior care

.....inferior care?.....where in the hell is your doc located?.....

We are 37th on the list for industrialized nations.. That is inferiior..

No why are you a moron??

 

[Harry Dresden]

where do we rank in the world vs per captia spent, not at the top ,not even fucking close, unless you are independently wealthy, then you can buy what ever service you want

i aint wealthy but yet Blue shield lets me use two medical centers here that are pretty fucking good.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

This current socialized system we have has to really upset you then.

I'm entirely willing to "get what I can afford" but question the stomach of Americans for hospitals turning away the sick. Now this isn't just the poor homeless sick getting turned away. This is the Middle Class who need chemo but are between jobs. U willing to see them middle class folks dying on the streets or in homeless shelters?

hospitals in my state cant turn anyone away....no one.....if you need Chemo someone is going to get you it.....

 

[DiamondDave]

krzr- like it or not you already and by way more than any other industrialized nation for inferior care

.....inferior care?.....where in the hell is your doc located?.....

We are 37th on the list for industrialized nations.. That is inferiior..

No why are you a moron??

Ahhh.. the debunked WHO rankings that had an inherent bias towards socialist systems and did not ensure the same reporting on all participant stats... not to mention forgetting to take into account things revolving around free choice and things that have no bearing on the health care system...

But nice try

 

[Harry Dresden]

Modern day conservatism is the political codification of selfishness.

Chris cant you post anywhere without lying?.....i know "Conservatives" who would even help an asshole like you if you needed it.....