Why it would be a very bad idea for the GOP to deny Trump the nomination...

[JimH52]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-the-gop-cant-take-the-nomination-from-trump/


Should the Republican nomination be awarded to Cruz or John Kasich, it would be wildly out of step with the tradition of letting primary voters decide in practice who their candidate should be. Moreover, explaining this outcome would be enormously difficult to explain to the already dwindling number of voters willing to register Republican.

Trump's argument, in this scenario, will be simple, clean, and easy to understand: I won the most delegates, the most votes, the most contests, and they stole the nomination from me.

The argument from the other side will be much more complicated and obtuse: You may not have known this, but the guy who wins the most of everything is ultimately at the mercy of a faceless mass of delegates, some of whom can be essentially bribed, and therefore giving the nomination to another candidate is fair game. Millions of Republicans will be told that their vote did not matter, and that the GOP, in its wisdom, has settled on a candidate that has been rejected by its electorate.

The obvious result of such a strategy will be that Trump and many of his supporters will reject the GOP nominee as illegitimate - according to an AP poll out his week, 58 percent of Republicans think the person with the most delegates should get the nomination. That GOP nominee, most likely Cruz, will limp out of Cleveland as the leader of a severely divided party, and will probably lose the election in November.
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The GOP is in a tough position. Either give Trump, who will supposedly have the most delegates and wins, the nomination or face a very divided party. The resulting party split will have ramifications for generations to come.

And if they do deny Donald and lose with the resulting nominee, they will have caused damage to their party that may never be repaired. GLAD I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN....Just saying.

 

[Boss]

The GOP is in a tough position. Either give Trump, who will supposedly have the most delegates and wins, the nomination or face a very divided party.

So they should abandon the system they've had in place since 1856 and award Trump the nomination because he is Trump?

The very first Republican president was elected in 1860... you know him very well, he is one of the greatest presidents in history, Abe Lincoln. Do you know who had won the most delegates and primary races going into the GOP convention? Hint: It wasn't Lincoln.

Trump has to win a MAJORITY of delegates to secure the nomination... Them's the rules and they're not going to change because Trump stomps his foot and pitches a hissy fit. 1,237 delegates is the magic number. If he doesn't get those on the first ballot, he can put those illustrious negotiating and deal-making skills to work and secure enough unbound delegates to seal the deal on subsequent ballots.

Now, if he can't do that and someone else can, then they will win the nomination. It's the system and process. I don't understand all this premature whining... do you not have faith in your boy to wheel and deal his way to the nomination? That's supposed to be his strong suit, right? He can get along with everybody, can work with anyone, right? So what's the problem? If he doesn't have enough delegates on the first ballot, I am sure Trump's charm and charisma will deliver the necessary delegates on the second or third ballot! Right???

 

[JakeStarkey]

Trump is at the mercy of the convention delegates and the Rules Committee. The Party is named Republican aptly. It operates first on the principles of representation not democratic votes. Utah has just been dragged out of the 19th century because of the Central and county committees’ stupiditys, and now potential candidates can opt for a primary path that the Party can’t block. If Trump does not have 1237 delegates by the Convention, his probability of being blocked there goes up exponentially.

 

[mrbojanglezs]

The GOP is in a tough position. Either give Trump, who will supposedly have the most delegates and wins, the nomination or face a very divided party.

So they should abandon the system they've had in place since 1856 and award Trump the nomination because he is Trump?

The very first Republican president was elected in 1860... you know him very well, he is one of the greatest presidents in history, Abe Lincoln. Do you know who had won the most delegates and primary races going into the GOP convention? Hint: It wasn't Lincoln.

Trump has to win a MAJORITY of delegates to secure the nomination... Them's the rules and they're not going to change because Trump stomps his foot and pitches a hissy fit. 1,237 delegates is the magic number. If he doesn't get those on the first ballot, he can put those illustrious negotiating and deal-making skills to work and secure enough unbound delegates to seal the deal on subsequent ballots.

Now, if he can't do that and someone else can, then they will win the nomination. It's the system and process. I don't understand all this premature whining... do you not have faith in your boy to wheel and deal his way to the nomination? That's supposed to be his strong suit, right? He can get along with everybody, can work with anyone, right? So what's the problem? If he doesn't have enough delegates on the first ballot, I am sure Trump's charm and charisma will deliver the necessary delegates on the second or third ballot! Right???

The problem that the GOP doesn't realize, is that it is a much more connected world today. Yes the system has been around for years but the last contested convention was what in the 70s or 80s? We live in the world of Twitter, Facebook, and drive-by mainstream media. All the backdoor dealings will be hard to hide as it will be all over the internet and would destroy the party.

The nation will be all over this convention, have you seen how much interest has taken in this campaign?

Interesting dilemma.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-the-gop-cant-take-the-nomination-from-trump/


Should the Republican nomination be awarded to Cruz or John Kasich, it would be wildly out of step with the tradition of letting primary voters decide in practice who their candidate should be. Moreover, explaining this outcome would be enormously difficult to explain to the already dwindling number of voters willing to register Republican.

Trump's argument, in this scenario, will be simple, clean, and easy to understand: I won the most delegates, the most votes, the most contests, and they stole the nomination from me.

The argument from the other side will be much more complicated and obtuse: You may not have known this, but the guy who wins the most of everything is ultimately at the mercy of a faceless mass of delegates, some of whom can be essentially bribed, and therefore giving the nomination to another candidate is fair game. Millions of Republicans will be told that their vote did not matter, and that the GOP, in its wisdom, has settled on a candidate that has been rejected by its electorate.

The obvious result of such a strategy will be that Trump and many of his supporters will reject the GOP nominee as illegitimate - according to an AP poll out his week, 58 percent of Republicans think the person with the most delegates should get the nomination. That GOP nominee, most likely Cruz, will limp out of Cleveland as the leader of a severely divided party, and will probably lose the election in November.
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The GOP is in a tough position. Either give Trump, who will supposedly have the most delegates and wins, the nomination or face a very divided party. The resulting party split will have ramifications for generations to come.

And if they do deny Donald and lose with the resulting nominee, they will have caused damage to their party that may never be repaired. GLAD I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN....Just saying.

You act like this is some kind of revelation .....

 

[Boss]

f Trump does not have 1237 delegates by the Convention, his probability of being blocked there goes up exponentially.

Trump's biggest problem is his mouth and caustic attitude. Traditionally, a front-runner (who has an automatic built-in advantage already) keeps his nose clean and doesn't piss many people off. That way, if he happens to end up in a brokered convention, he can usually rally support from some of the uncommitted delegates on the second ballot. But Trump has burned all bridges not leading to Trump. Instead of trying to unite the party or bring support over to his side, he chose to smear and slime his opponents and insult their supporters. That's going to cost him big time.

Now maybe we'll all get to see some of this phenomenal deal-making prowess in action and he can finagle the delegates he needs to win? But I am thinking, the establishment now sees the ONLY option they have of blocking Trump is to back Cruz. They don't want to... but they don't want Trump. So we'll have to hear all the Trump Dummies parade around claiming Cruz is "establishment" when everyone knows he isn't. But that's how Trump will play it and he'll hope that some of the stupid rubs off on Kasich and Rubio delegates.

 

[Boss]

The problem that the GOP doesn't realize, is that it is a much more connected world today. Yes the system has been around for years but the last contested convention was what in the 70s or 80s? We live in the world of Twitter, Facebook, and drive-by mainstream media. All the backdoor dealings will be hard to hide as it will be all over the internet and would destroy the party.

The nation will be all over this convention, have you seen how much interest has taken in this campaign?

Interesting dilemma.

What I am amazed by is the level of complete illiteracy when it comes to the nomination process. I never realized there were SO many people who simply never understood how any of this works. I keep hearing nutbags hurl the word "corrupt" and "rigged" when there is no evidence that anything is corrupt or rigged, it's the system that has been in place for as long as we've had political parties in America. This isn't something new or different that we're trying out in 2016.

All these knuckleheads clamoring about VOTES and "we the people" .... let me ask you a question... on what date did your state hold it's primary for the Green Party? What, you didn't have one? You mean, the Green Party didn't give you a chance to VOTE in a primary? How about when your state held it's Libertarian primary? Oh no! Don't tell me that we're allowing the party bosses to make back room deals to install the candidate they pick and ignoring the will of the people!

 

[mrbojanglezs]

The problem that the GOP doesn't realize, is that it is a much more connected world today. Yes the system has been around for years but the last contested convention was what in the 70s or 80s? We live in the world of Twitter, Facebook, and drive-by mainstream media. All the backdoor dealings will be hard to hide as it will be all over the internet and would destroy the party.

The nation will be all over this convention, have you seen how much interest has taken in this campaign?

Interesting dilemma.

What I am amazed by is the level of complete illiteracy when it comes to the nomination process. I never realized there were SO many people who simply never understood how any of this works. I keep hearing nutbags hurl the word "corrupt" and "rigged" when there is no evidence that anything is corrupt or rigged, it's the system that has been in place for as long as we've had political parties in America. This isn't something new or different that we're trying out in 2016.

All these knuckleheads clamoring about VOTES and "we the people" .... let me ask you a question... on what date did your state hold it's primary for the Green Party? What, you didn't have one? You mean, the Green Party didn't give you a chance to VOTE in a primary? How about when your state held it's Libertarian primary? Oh no! Don't tell me that we're allowing the party bosses to make back room deals to install the candidate they pick and ignoring the will of the people!

The system itself isn't rigged but it does lend itself to corruption. These superpacs are fee to use money to court/bribe delegates, doesn't seem like the best way to properly select delegates to represent the people. Its widely documented online that delegates at CO that supported Trump were denied access. So you are correct, rules are the rules and other campaigns have taken advantage of the rules. But there are certainly ways to use the rules to your advantage/political bias, call that rigging call that just "ground game" politics. The age of social media is bringing it to light and I am not sure that this current system will be sustainable going forward. Many Americans are souring on this process as they have more access then they ever had in the past.

 

[Boss]

The system itself isn't rigged but it does lend itself to corruption. These superpacs are fee to use money to court/bribe delegates, doesn't seem like the best way to properly select delegates to represent the people. Its widely documented online that delegates at CO that supported Trump were denied access. So you are correct, rules are the rules and other campaigns have taken advantage of the rules. But there are certainly ways to use the rules to your advantage/political bias, call that rigging call that just "ground game" politics. The age of social media is bringing it to light and I am not sure that this current system will be sustainable going forward. Many Americans are souring on this process as they have more access then they ever had in the past.

Well, no... there is no evidence that any such a thing happened in Colorado. They trotted out this one guy who claims he was denied access and it turns out it was because he didn't follow the procedure. Making sure the rules are followed to the letter is not cheating or unethical. It's "widely documented" the establishment GOP doesn't want Trump to win the nomination. Certain PACs have made no bones about the fact they don't want Trump to be the nominee.... Now, I am dreadfully sorry that not everyone in America loves Trump and wants him to win the nomination, but that does not mean they are corrupt or cheating Trump out of his rightful win.

Social media is no different than it was in 2012 or 2008. People may be getting more stupid and gullible in believing what they read on the Internet.... but this is a strawman tossed out there to give the illusion that social media has uncovered some hideous underbelly to American politics. Guess what? Politics is cut-throat business sometimes, and guess who is responsible for making it more nasty in 2016 than we've seen in our lifetimes? ....Now, suddenly, he wants to curl up in the fetal position and play the victim? Maybe The Donald needs to go to his "safe place" and get over this?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Follow the procedure? What are you, frickin Nazi?

I got flamed for suggesting that PMs were off limits for sharing in the public flame zone.

Not to worry, I got all my detractors back and the best girl.

 

[Boss]

Follow the procedure? What are you, frickin Nazi?

I guarantee you, if a Cruz delegate had not followed the proper procedures, we'd never hear the end of it. In fact, we'd probably have Trump claiming that Cruz personally instructed the delegate to cheat and win at any cost.

 

[blackhawk]

The person who wins the nomination is the one who gets 1237 delegates as I have said for what seems like a million times if Trump gets that number through the primary votes he is the nominee if it's a contested convention and Trump can convince enough delegates to back him and get to 1237 he is the nominee if he can't the person who can becomes the nominee. If you want to be the nominee get the 1237 it really is that simple.

 

[oreo]

f Trump does not have 1237 delegates by the Convention, his probability of being blocked there goes up exponentially.

Trump's biggest problem is his mouth and caustic attitude. Traditionally, a front-runner (who has an automatic built-in advantage already) keeps his nose clean and doesn't piss many people off. That way, if he happens to end up in a brokered convention, he can usually rally support from some of the uncommitted delegates on the second ballot. But Trump has burned all bridges not leading to Trump. Instead of trying to unite the party or bring support over to his side, he chose to smear and slime his opponents and insult their supporters. That's going to cost him big time.

Now maybe we'll all get to see some of this phenomenal deal-making prowess in action and he can finagle the delegates he needs to win? But I am thinking, the establishment now sees the ONLY option they have of blocking Trump is to back Cruz. They don't want to... but they don't want Trump. So we'll have to hear all the Trump Dummies parade around claiming Cruz is "establishment" when everyone knows he isn't. But that's how Trump will play it and he'll hope that some of the stupid rubs off on Kasich and Rubio delegates.

No matter what Hillary Clinton is going to win the White House. Neither Trump nor Cruz can. The Republican Party is shattered into pieces, and there's no putting it back together for the general

The very worst thing that could happen is for the Republican party to put up a new face. It may mean disaster, but this party has been dragged so far right by one issue abortion voters, (Evangelicals) that were the reason Romney lost in 2012. They chased off women by double digits, younger women by 36 points which is what secured a 2nd term for Obama. In 2016, it's Hispanics or 17% of the population that are now solidly in Hillary Clinton's column. This when the GOP nominee needed 46% of this block to win. Trump is polling at a negative 80%.
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If Republicans put up a new face, these same people will not learn a dam thing. They'll just say Republicans didn't win because the nominee wasn't Trump or Cruz. They'll turn on their right wing talk show hosts, and start the process all over again for another loss in 2020. So it's best to just step aside and let it happen.

 

[Boss]

No matter what Hillary Clinton is going to win the White House. Neither Trump nor Cruz can. The Republican Party is shattered into pieces, and there's no putting it back together for the general

I agree that things look in disarray at the moment but the party has been there before.... and still won the general. Lots of things can happen before November and lots of things can change. It's WAY to early to be boldly proclaiming victory.

 

[Agit8r]

Of course there is the possibility of street violence in Cleveland

♪ Tin Soldiers and Kasichs coming. Trouble brewing down in O-hi-o ♪

 

[Boss]

If Republicans put up a new face...

There are rumblings out of the establishment but I think it amounts to a bunch of wishful thinking. I believe, when all is said and done, the more conservative-leaning establishment types will gravitate toward Cruz in order to keep Trump from winning. Cruz might not be the guy they'd prefer but he's not Trump.

 

[JimH52]

No matter what Hillary Clinton is going to win the White House. Neither Trump nor Cruz can. The Republican Party is shattered into pieces, and there's no putting it back together for the general

I agree that things look in disarray at the moment but the party has been there before.... and still won the general. Lots of things can happen before November and lots of things can change. It's WAY to early to be boldly proclaiming victory.

No political party has ever seen the likes of Donald Trump. If he does not reach the magic number, and yet has the most delegates at the convention, his people will fight if he loses on a second or third ballot . I just do not see him or his supporters supporting "Lying Ted." Drama in Cleveland!

 

[Kondor3]

Trump is at the mercy of the convention delegates and the Rules Committee. The Party is named Republican aptly. It operates first on the principles of representation not democratic votes. Utah has just been dragged out of the 19th century because of the Central and county committees’ stupiditys, and now potential candidates can opt for a primary path that the Party can’t block. If Trump does not have 1237 delegates by the Convention, his probability of being blocked there goes up exponentially.

And there's the rub.

One Person, One Vote.

It's the wave of the future, and what The People want in the here-and-now.

We know how things are, now.

No need to regurgitate them.

The People want it changed.

Now.

You can see this in VERY clear evidence on BOTH sides of the aisle.

It is a year for Populism.

All across the board.

In this age of instantaneous communications and unlimited abilities to research electronically...

The old ways simply will not do, any longer...

It's why the Populists are making such a noise on both sides of the aisle, all across the country...

Savvy political leadership picks up on this and feeds it to their advantage...

 

[sarahgop]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-the-gop-cant-take-the-nomination-from-trump/


Should the Republican nomination be awarded to Cruz or John Kasich, it would be wildly out of step with the tradition of letting primary voters decide in practice who their candidate should be. Moreover, explaining this outcome would be enormously difficult to explain to the already dwindling number of voters willing to register Republican.

Trump's argument, in this scenario, will be simple, clean, and easy to understand: I won the most delegates, the most votes, the most contests, and they stole the nomination from me.

The argument from the other side will be much more complicated and obtuse: You may not have known this, but the guy who wins the most of everything is ultimately at the mercy of a faceless mass of delegates, some of whom can be essentially bribed, and therefore giving the nomination to another candidate is fair game. Millions of Republicans will be told that their vote did not matter, and that the GOP, in its wisdom, has settled on a candidate that has been rejected by its electorate.

The obvious result of such a strategy will be that Trump and many of his supporters will reject the GOP nominee as illegitimate - according to an AP poll out his week, 58 percent of Republicans think the person with the most delegates should get the nomination. That GOP nominee, most likely Cruz, will limp out of Cleveland as the leader of a severely divided party, and will probably lose the election in November.
________________________________________________________________________________________

The GOP is in a tough position. Either give Trump, who will supposedly have the most delegates and wins, the nomination or face a very divided party. The resulting party split will have ramifications for generations to come.

And if they do deny Donald and lose with the resulting nominee, they will have caused damage to their party that may never be repaired. GLAD I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN....Just saying.

Trump will win the next 6 states in apr by big margins making it 27-11 for Trump. Trump will likely win CA,OR, WA and NJ Making it 31-11. Add in WVA and IN and its 33-11. I think its increasingly likely we will see a Trump/kasich ticket, though i prefer a Trump/Webb ticket.

 

[Esmeralda]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-the-gop-cant-take-the-nomination-from-trump/


Should the Republican nomination be awarded to Cruz or John Kasich, it would be wildly out of step with the tradition of letting primary voters decide in practice who their candidate should be. Moreover, explaining this outcome would be enormously difficult to explain to the already dwindling number of voters willing to register Republican.
]n to another candidate is fair game. Millions of Republicans will be told that their vote did not matter, and that the GOP, in its wisdom, has settled on a candidate that has been rejected by its electorate.

The obvious result of such a strategy will be that Trump and many of his supporters will reject the GOP nominee as illegitimate - according to an AP poll out his week, 58 percent of Republicans think the person with the most delegates should get the nomination. That GOP nominee, most likely Cruz, will limp out of Cleveland as the leader of a severely divided party, and will probably lose the election in November.

Which would be a good thing. The Republican party is in total disarray already. Nothing will make it better.